W London trams killed off. - henry k
Controversial plans for a tram system in west London have been scrapped in favour of buses.

Mayor Livingstone, who has been dogmatic in his pursuit of the West London Tram proposal, has joined Ealing Council leader Jason Stacey by announcing that a bus solution would now be pursued instead.

The tram scheme, which has already cost taxpayers £24.5million through consultation processes....

The West London tram scheme was an idea that always sounded interesting on paper but daft in practice.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6929064.stm

www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid...8

tinyurl.com/yuryrg

Some good news then.
Suddenly buses are OK instead of digging up roads etc and causing parts of W London to grid lock.
W London trams killed off. - flunky
They already had buses, that's the funny thing. They were going to cut out most of the stops, so you had to walk a mile to the nearest tram stop, block up the road, so cars couldn't drive through in certain points, all to make a tram that was not more than 20% faster, and probably no faster if you take out the same number of stops.

All the councils are against it, and Ealing's Labour council was turfed out on largest swing last May because of it.
W London trams killed off. - Pugugly {P}
£24.5 Million on "consultation" - the mind boggles. That's about a brand new Hospital isn't it ?
W London trams killed off. - colino
Now we need that good sense to move to Edinburgh before they rip up the roads to line someones tramfocused pockets. (And how would public transport have worked with trams on Friday when the buses were diverted off of Princes Street due to a fire?)
W London trams killed off. - Martin Devon
We are surrounded and run by a bunch of Idiots in this Police state of ours.......GREAT Britain...Pah!

MD
W London trams killed off. - Robin Reliant
I cannot think of one single reason why trams are anything other than a complete traffic congestio disaster.

They do nothing that a bus can't do as well or better, they are totally inflexable so if the line is blocked by something protruding over it by even one centimetre the whole system comes to a complete halt until it is cleared.

A bonkers idea that defies all logic.
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W London trams killed off. - Stuartli
Manchester's Metro system is apparently very highly regarded by the population.
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W London trams killed off. - gmac
Sheffield supertram lost £7k per week in the first couple of years.
Still the council tax payers bailed them out...
W London trams killed off. - alan kearn
Sheffield supertram lost £7k per week in the first couple of years.
Still the council tax payers bailed them out...


The tram system appears to be very successfull now that "Stagecoach" are running it.
W London trams killed off. - gmac
The tram system appears to be very successfull now that "Stagecoach" are running it.

SYPTE managed to offload it then...and save the council tax payers ongoing costs. Amazing how a government backed transport organisation can run at a loss but a private company (staffed by Eastern block countries) can make a profit.
W London trams killed off. - daveyjp
Robin - I suggest a visit to Amsterdam, Prague and plenty of other European cities. Trams there are fantastic, but we burnt our boats in the 60s when we decided to cover all the tracks in tarmac.
W London trams killed off. - Robin Reliant
Robin - I suggest a visit to Amsterdam Prague and plenty of other European cities.
Trams there are fantastic but we burnt our boats in the 60s when we decided
to cover all the tracks in tarmac.

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And what exactly can a tram do that a bus can't?
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W London trams killed off. - oilrag
"And what exactly can a tram do that a bus can't?"

It causes no pollution at all *in* the City, and its much more precise on the road.

No more swerving to the kerb trying to soak people with puddles :):)
W London trams killed off. - oilrag
Of course, the only `tram` I recognise is one running in tracks..........
W London trams killed off. - Lud
Snip - OK an opinion maybe - but not in here ! - PU

e-mailed an explanation Lud - PU
W London trams killed off. - boxsterboy
Shock!! Horror!!

Ken Liviongstone actually heeds the results of public consultation! Oh, of course, there's an election looming!

Trams work in Europe because they have much more space in their city centres and can be accommodated alongside buses and cars. Over here, any spare land gets developed!
W London trams killed off. - Mapmaker
The Manchester metrolink isn't really a tram. For most of its journey it is a railway - using old or newly built railway lines. It is great for commuters/shoppers as it picks them up in the suburbs, runs them into town on a train, but drops them on the street as would a bus.

The most successful light railway systems, imvho, largely run on proper (often previously built but by then disused) railway tracks.

And the motoring link... who would use a car if they were going to the centre of M/cr if they could use the tram.
W London trams killed off. - henry k
Spot on BB

>>The most successful light railway systems, imvho, largely run on proper (often previously built but by then disused) railway tracks.

The tram running out of Wimbledon Station uses the old single track railway line for at least some of it route. A much better use of the track.
W London trams killed off. - Mapmaker
e.g. also

The DLR, which used considerable amounts of old, disused line. Thameslink from King's Cross to the City. The East London Line northern extension.

OK, not all strictly 'light', but definitely designed for commuters within a city.