I kneed a Berlingo - NowWheels
One of last week's tasks was a garden overhaul for aged relative. On with the gloves, out with saw and clippers and the hedge trimmer and secateurs, and then, inevitably all into a van to get the mountain of debris to the composting centre. Bits of dead furniture to be removed at the same time, so a hired van would earn its day's rental.

I would probably have done best to get a Transit, but underestimated the loads involved, so I asked for an "Escort-sized van", not knowing sort of model what to expect these days. I paid my money and got a Citroën Berlingo, to which I paid little attention initially: my interest was mostly in keeping up my energy levels for what turned out to be 24 hours of humping-and-dumping, and the brand of van was about as relevant as the brand of saw I was using to chop down the leylandii.

However, the journey back from the hire centre made me focus a bit more on the van than I had intended. First, I had a hard time finding a half-way decent driving position: I'm no giraffe, but this machine seemed to have been designed for someone with stubby legs and huge arms. Then the gearbox drove me mad; like my much-missed old 1980s Peugeot 305, it had a gearlever 20 feet long with huge travel in every dimension and a spring in its mechanism which was so overpowered that I started to keep an eye out for Jeremy Beadle as I missed gears at very opportunity, starting in third, changing up from first to fourth,and learning that I had a much more colourful vocabulary than I knew. As I got back to the house, a friend's call came through on my mobile headset to ask how I was doing, and the answer was simple: fine, except for this hideous, evil van. Bring back the Ford Escort, says I: French (snipped the insult - PU) should stick to making their bad wine and leave the mechanical things to the Japanese. Or the Italians, or anybody other than the French.

I took out the hammer to smash the discarded flatpack furniture, and was tempted to use it on the van, but what with the way our dearly-departed leader has enhanced our liberties, I reckoned that would more likely win me an orange jumpsuit than a replacement van. And orange really washes out my skin tones.

Off to the dump, and after a few more expletives, I figured out the gearshift: floor the gas, then block-shift from first to third. And in doing that, I found that the diesel engine was remarkably flexible, and that even well-laden, this van had a lot of voomf. Even better, it rode like a proper French car, and was remarkably grippy: I could push it through roundabouts a lot faster than my Almera. (Although, to be fair to the Almera, I don't flog my own car the way I flog a hired van).

By the time the dump closed, and I scrubbed myself up to go out for the evening, the choice of wheels was easy: the van. My aged relative said she hadn't been in such a comfortable vehicle for ages, and I found that I actually enjoyed the 15-mile journey each way to a very fine meal.

By the time I returned the van next morning, 150 miles of dump trips after I had picked it up, I was truly sorry to part with it. The cushioned ride and the magic handling made it feel like a sort of expanded Renault 5: quirky and French, flawed by adorable. I recalled how I had toyed with the idea of buying a Berlingo last year, and part of me really regretted not having tried one. This is a vehicle with real charm.

But it has one fatal flaw which made me realise that despite its charms, it would be a bad buy: my knees. No matter how I adjusted the seat and the steering wheel, the best I could do was to move my knees an inch away from the dashboard rather than having then touching it. And this was not a matter of them grazing underneath a sloping underside to the dashboard: they were stuck firmly in front of a wall of very hard plastic. In a crash, it wouldn't matter if the dashboard remained in its place rather than being pushed back; a small bit of movement from me would leave me with smashed kneecaps.

What a pity. In most other respects, the Berlingo is a flawed masterpiece, a testament to the French ability to produce vehicles with great character, machines whose talents in some areas are huge enough to outweigh their deep flaws in others. But in an impact, I fear that this eccentric genius might not be much more of a friend than an IRA knee-capper. I have no idea how Euro NCAP's assessment of the Berlingo at www.euroncap.com/tests/citroen_berlingo_2005/234.a...x gave it adequate-to-marginal results for the driver's knees. Does their test dummy have five-foot-long arms?
I kneed a Berlingo - AndyT
Maybe you should try its Partner. Bound to share a few french attribues...Although you may kneed a little more dough!
I kneed a Berlingo - PhilW
"designed for someone with stubby legs and huge arms"

Steady on there NW! - I have a Berlingo and am a (fairly) normal shaped 6 footer and my wife is a very normal armed and legged 5' 8"! We both find the Bling very comfortable to drive even on long trips to the continent with plenty of room between dash and knees. I wonder if
a) It's the more upright driving position that has "thrown" you?
b) Maybe the Multispace has different seats/adjustment/dashboard than the van? I know the wheel is only rake adjustable rather than rake/reach, but my son (6'2") and daughter (5'9") have also pronounced it comfortable (and surprising fun) to drive - and they have had plenty of experience since it is used as a removals van during their very frequent moves!
c) Has all that "humping and dumping" (!) distorted your body?!

I know the gear lever is hardly a sporty short throw thing but I haven't noticed the strong spring either and I can't recall missing a gear!
"This is a vehicle with real charm" - I reckon you are right there - but I would say it's more comparable to the old (probably well before your time!) Renault 4.
Maybe you should try a Multispace when you come to changing your car?? - Image may be a problem I suppose, though unlikely since you have an Almera ;-) !!

On the other hand, maybe I'm just a lot less discerning than you with regard to driving position and gear levers!!
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Phil
I need a Berlingo - Quinny
I've just bought an 03 plate Berlingo van this week,and find it quite easy to get comfortable in,although I am only 5'8" I find the driving position very easy to live with.

It makes a change from driving 44 tonne trucks,but I have found on or two things that hacked me off already with the build.

1.The right hand indicator on the dashboard doesn't work,and upon inspection,as they are easy to take apart,they are a very very tiny neon which can't be replaced if they snap off. (Don't know how or why this has happened.)

2.The airbag warning light was on,and found out it was the seat belt pre tensioner plug under the drivers seat,which was pulled apart,cleaned,and then put back together.Result.

3.It has a radio cassette.

Other than that,I can see a good relationship forming,and if I buy another,then I will buy the type with the HDi engine in,as opposed to the 1.9 variety that I have just bought,as it doesn't exactly set the world alight with acceleration times,although I do like the idea of an 80,000 mile cam belt change.
I need a Berlingo - jc2
Similar vehicle with good driving position and proper gearchange is the Transit Connect(or if you want windows-Tourneo Connect).
I need a Berlingo - henry k
Transit Connect(or if you want windows-Tourneo Connect).

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But be aware of the restricted (legal) speeds permitted by this class of vehicle.

The Transit Connect is not 'car derived' and as its GVW is 2025Kg.
It is over the 2 tonne limit and must therefore adhere to 50mph on single carriage way NSL and 60mph on dual carriageway NSL but is allowed 70 on motorways.

I need a Berlingo - Bromptonaut
What's the position with speed limits for vehicles like the Tourneo Connect, Fiat Scudo Combi or its Citroen and Peugeot cousins which are truly van derived cars?

HJ partly covered this in the Telegraph a couple of weeks ago but the point was slightly lost in an ironical thicket over differences between 2wd&4wd duo cab pickups.
I need a Berlingo - jc2
Even the SWB/Low roof???
I kneed a Berlingo - NowWheels
I wonder if it's the more upright driving position that has "thrown" you?


I doubt that: I have driven a lot of vans in my time, and never had this problem before.
Maybe the Multispace has different seats/adjustment/dashboard than the van?


Phil, you may be right about that, although since the van doesn't have a bulkhead behind the seats, I assumed that adjustment woud be the same, but that may be a bad assumption. I must try a Multispace some day to see if it's any better for my knees, because if it is better I'd be seriously tempted to consider one if/when the Almera dies.

You're probably right about the comparison with the Renault 4: I rode in lots of them as a kid, and they were great cars. Utiltarian, but very comfortable.

And the Berlingo really is great fun to drive!
I kneed a Berlingo - Lud
... and it nutted me back.
I kneed a Berlingo - Lud
Assuming you don't have abnormally long legs NW, do you perhaps like to sit close to the wheel? Crouch over it a bit like a dirt-track racer in a 1920s B Movie? I only ask because I have noticed that some people do this.

It also occurs to me that the seat may be height-adjustable and you had it set low. A higher seat would make more room for yr legs.
I kneed a Berlingo - Mapmaker
>>someone with stubby legs and huge arms.


A French farmer?
I kneed a Berlingo - dxp55
Make sure you always follow a Merc Sprinter van as these are always driven at correct speed limit which I think is about 85 in outside lane.
I kneed a Berlingo - Waino
Make sure you always follow a Merc Sprinter van as these are always driven at correct speed limit which I think is about 85 in outside lane.>>


... but don't drive too closely because their brake lights don't usually work.
I kneed a Berlingo - Lud
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... but don't drive too closely because their brake lights don't usually work.


Rubbish. I f you drive close enough you just lean on them with your front bumper as they lock their wheels at 100, then apply your own unstressed brakes if and when necessary. It shouldn't be actually. Their wheels will melt, they will slide forward on the slime, and you can engage first gear and drive round them and away with a wave of thanks.

Thanks for sucking you along at 110 when your old piece of carp can only manage 83 on its own.

Have you people no sense of gratitude?
I kneed a Berlingo - ForumNeedsModerating
Their wheels will melt, they will slide forward on the slime, and you can engage first gear and drive round them and away with a wave of thanks.

I do so enjoy your inventive sense of mischief Lud.

On the Berlingo question - there is something quite alluring about them - I've found myself absent-mindedly getting a few used prices/specs together & am persuading myself it wouldn't be sensible not to have one. The admixture of scrubbed-pine Quakerish practicality & cheeky Gallic chic might prove too much.
I kneed a Berlingo - GregSwain
Thanks for sucking you along at 110 when your old
piece of carp can only manage 83 on its own.


Excellent! :-D
I kneed a Berlingo - NowWheels
Assuming you don't have abnormally long legs NW do you perhaps like to sit close
to the wheel? Crouch over it a bit like a dirt-track racer in a 1920s
B Movie? I only ask because I have noticed that some people do this.


A wheel hugger? Moi? With my tits caught in the spokes and an airbag ready to explode millimetres from my eyeballs when I crash? I'm not that old ;)
It also occurs to me that the seat may be height-adjustable and you had it
set low. A higher seat would make more room for yr legs.


It is set very high, with no adjustment, at least none that I found. Just like clothes, one size does not fit all :(
I kneed a Berlingo - Pugugly {P}
www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/209485/kangoo_...l

Some spyshots of the new Berlingo from Autoexpress.
I kneed a Berlingo - ForumNeedsModerating
A wheel hugger?

Nice neologism! Maybe this could this be adapted to mean a sort of eco-friendly petrolhead?
I kneed a Berlingo - J Bonington Jagworth
"you may kneed a little more dough!"

or a bread-van...
I kneed a Berlingo - normd2
bread van? now this is a bread van....

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