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Shepherds Bush congestion - Lud
Since the westward extension of the congestion charging zone in London Shepherds Bush Green - basically, for those who don't know it, an enormous triangular roundabout with trees in it - has become very, very tiresome especially for those travelling eastwards. The extra traffic trying to use Wood Lane/Scrubs Lane to avoid the charging zone meets the usual busy east-west stuff. But the eastward and westward carriageways have both been narrowed with cones, lumps of concrete etc. for road works, purpose unclear, for what seems like years and has certainly been several months. These roadworks are concentrated at the eastern (Holland Park Avenue roundabout) end of the Green.

As a driving environment the Bush has never been good, but at present it is close to unbearable. It is impossible to believe that those responsible for the road engineering are concerned in any way to restore traffic flow. Where do they get these people and what is their brief? Does London have a supervisory role or is all this stuff in the hands of local authorities?

I saw a clip of Ken Livingstone the other day assuring viewers that his American traffic adviser or supremo has had nothing to do with the congestion zone extension or anything else anti-car. He himself was behind those, he implied. Nevertheless it doesn't surprise me that working for hizonner on transport matters has driven the unfortunate (if well-paid) adviser to drink.
Shepherds Bush congestion - rogue-trooper
Lud

It can possibly get even worse.... a lot lot worse. Ken sent a questionnaire round a couple of years ago trying to gauge peoples thoughts on the tram which was to run from Shep. Bush to Ealing. Amongst the plans was to stop Shep Bush being a giant roundabout, use the north side as a tram terminal and try and make everything run down the south side. I seem to remember asking whether he (and those doing the plan) were completely mad, and remember this was prior to the CC extension.

Look at : www.ssbs.org.uk/


Unfortunately consultations, or rather the outcome of them, seem to hold little weight with our illustrious Ken. And to answer your question, Ken, I think, can over rule local councils (hence why the above www was set up).

Shepherds Bush congestion - rogue-trooper
PS here is the map of the propsed Shepherds Bush with tram stop

www.ssbs.org.uk/tfl_docs/05_Map_58.pdf
Shepherds Bush congestion - Lud
Yes angelman, and I think he's an ideologue with an 'agenda'. Actually some of the things he wants to do are OK long-term. But he's a politician and really knows that you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Pity we're the designated eggs, but there it is. I prefer a more tightrope-walking kind of politico myself. Don't take to bulldozers or backstabbers although they have their places.

As for the tram terminal, of which I haven't heard, it could work but they would have to widen the south side carriageway to seven or eight lanes and make proper arrangements for entry to Wood Lane and Uxbridge Road.

Ealing Council is already a PITA with cameras on Uxbridge Road and its various westward extensions, and no doubt it will become worse still when there are trams.
Shepherds Bush congestion - flunky
It can possibly get even worse.... a lot lot worse. Ken sent a questionnaire round
a couple of years ago trying to gauge peoples thoughts on the tram which was
to run from Shep. Bush to Ealing.


Said tram is ridiculous. I responded to the consultation pointing out that as a user (then) of the bus it was to replace (and hence you would think someone who would be in favour), it was not significantly going to reduce journey times, and such reductions as it was to effect were primarily due to the fact that there was up to 2 miles between stops (not much fun for people with limited mobility such as the elderly), and was going to create absolutely horrible traffic problems in the Eastern part of the route, with important sections of road just closed down.

And it was to cost a vast amount of money, plus inevitable budget overruns.

They ignored the consultation exercise, which showed people were opposed to the horrid scheme.

Crossrail is at least a sensible scheme that doesn't involve closing roads and creating more traffic in the name of slightly shortening a bus service.
Shepherds Bush congestion - boxsterboy
I thought the tram had been kicked into the long grass, mostly because of objections from Tory-run Ealing?. Ken would be off his trolley (bus) to bring this in!

I use Shepherds Bush at least twice a day Lud, and I have no idea why there are the big lumps of concrete and lane closures around the Holland Bush roundabout - I haven't seen any work there for ages. Talking of which, why is the Thames Water barometer no longer in use - was it because the blue water stained the glass so much that the barometer level couldn't be seen?

I am actually worried about how much extra traffic the White City development will bring - it is enormous and I would imagine it will be opening some time next year. This coupled with a tram would gridlock West London all day long!
Shepherds Bush congestion - Baskerville
Oh come on, stop whinging you miserable barrowboys. London is awful. Really horrible. Has been since the middle ages or possibly earlier. Don't tell me you've only just noticed. On the upside half the BBC is moving to Salford, so that should give you a traffic reduction.
Shepherds Bush congestion - Lud
you miserable barrowboys. London is awful. Really horrible. Has been
since the middle ages


Certainly has its downside, but the advantages outweigh it for many.

What we pearly kings and costermongers are complaining about, me old cock sparrer, is these monkeys making it even more horrible on purpose. KnowImean guv, blimey, apples and pears etc...

I thought it was you who said he used Scrubs Lane daily boxsterboy. I hope you have noticed by now the overload at certain times of day!
Shepherds Bush congestion - boxsterboy
I thought it was you who said he used Scrubs Lane daily boxsterboy. I hope
you have noticed by now the overload at certain times of day!


I do indeed! The traffic on Scrubs Lane southbound in the mornings is certainly worse than it used to be, but northbound seems little changed since the CON charge extension. The Bush is worse generally, but if the traffic is looking particularly bad I have a sneaky back-double to avoid it.

Shepherds Bush congestion - Lud
me old cock sparrer

Wouldn't have got away with that on the RSPB website these days according to the paper. One up to the back room swear filter. 'me old male sparrer' just doesn't sound the same... :o)
Shepherds Bush congestion - flunky
I thought the tram had been kicked into the long grass mostly because of objections
from Tory-run Ealing?. Ken would be off his trolley (bus) to bring this in!


Labour lost badly on massive swings, even in areas that had substantial demographic shifts in its favour, in Ealing, giving the Tories control - the tram lost the election for Labour. The same thing happened in Hammersmith and Hillingdon, giving the Tories a clean sweep of the affected councils, and thus unanimous opposition to it. Politicians don't care what voters want, they are supremely arrogant, and this at least was democracy in action.
Shepherds Bush congestion - Dulwich Estate
What ? Consultation of the public in London! You are joking of course.

tinyurl.com/2fp56t Link to www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/ shortened as had screwed up the page width of this thread - DD
Shepherds Bush congestion - Dulwich Estate
This is ths detail of the link:

"TfL says sorry for lack of tunnel consultation

TRANSPORT for London (TfL) has apologised for the lack of consultation before stopping the Blackwall Tunnel tidal flow system but said it will not overturn the decision.

During questioning at a London Assembly transport committee meeting it said the lack of consultation was because an accident on April 17 meant it had to be stopped quickly.

The Met and TfL said the decision to suspend the tidal flow system was taken on safety grounds.

advertisementAssembly transport committee chairman Roger Evans said: "It is clear TfL's consultation processes on this issue leave a lot to be desired.

"The meeting did not satisfy the committee as to how the decision was taken and what information it was based on.

"We will request this, as well as the figures for the number of near-misses, so we can adequately assess how dangerous the system actually was.""
Shepherds Bush congestion - flunky
What ? Consultation of the public in London! You are joking of course.


They did, in fact.

Worst use of public money was the following:

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TfL put in place a range of measures to encourage participation amongst people for whom English is not their first language. The consultation brochure contained text in 10 languages other than English that explained that the document was available in those languages. These languages were:
? Arabic
? Bengali
? Chinese
? Greek
? Gujarati
? Hindi
? Punjabi
? Turkish
? Urdu
? Vietnamese

A dedicated multi-lingual helpline was set up for the duration of the consultation. This was staffed by specialist interpreters who were briefed to
post the consultation documents in the appropriate language to callers and were able to answer simple queries about the proposed tram scheme. Translated advertisements were placed in ethnic newspapers encouraging people to come to the consultation roadshows in Southall and the London Mela, where interpreters were be on hand to speak to people in their native languages. Following advice from local race equality councils, a Somali interpreter was also present at these roadshows to speak to that particular local community. The commentary on the roadshow video was also translated into three languages, including Somali.

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And how many responses in English were received?

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Between 29 June and 8 October 2004, TfL received:
? 16,895 completed questionnaires
? 1,384 calls to the freephone helpline

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And in languages other than English?
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? 81 calls to the multi-lingual helpline
? 15 responses in seven languages other than English.

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They spent tens of thousands on translation into 10 languages, and didn't even get responses in several of them, the specialist translators who will have cost a fortune and must have been paid for a full 5-day week only managed to answer 81 calls, so basically for the 4 month duration would have received about one call a week each. And temporary translators are definitely not going to come cheap.....

No wonder things run so over budget in this country, the government wastes money on rubbish like translating forms that don't receive a single response. Good job we have race equality councils to make sure they do this....
Shepherds Bush congestion - flunky
What ? Consultation of the public in London! You are joking of course.


It actually doesn't make any difference whether they consult or not - they will ignore the consultation results if they do not come up with the right answer.

The tram consultation said the following:

"Twice as many respondents opposed as supported the West London Tram proposal, with 3 in 10 (30 per cent) supporting and 6 in 10 (59 per cent) opposing."
"In addition, support for the tram was higher than average amongst bus users (34 per cent), although 58 per cent of this group still opposed the scheme. Opposition towards the tram was highest amongst those who walk along the Uxbridge Road (67 per cent)."

So basically everyone, even the people using the bus that was supposedly so bad it needed replacement with an expensive tram, opposed the scheme. But did they pay attention? Not a chance.
Shepherds Bush congestion - rogue-trooper
>> I thought the tram had been kicked into the long grass mostly because of
objections
>> from Tory-run Ealing?. Ken would be off his trolley (bus) to bring this in!
Labour lost badly on massive swings even in areas that had substantial demographic shifts in
its favour in Ealing giving the Tories control - the tram lost the election for
Labour. The same thing happened in Hammersmith and Hillingdon giving the Tories a clean sweep
of the affected councils and thus unanimous opposition to it. Politicians don't care what voters
want they are supremely arrogant and this at least was democracy in action.




Lud, Not sure you are right here. Without getting into a political debate, this was not part of the last election. Also if you looked at the link in my initial reply (the one saving Shep Bush's streets) the tram was condemned by both Tory and Labour.

As for consultations, there has recently been a big uproar against Ken for ignoring peoples wishes. This sort of came to a head with the proposed bus route through Brook Green. Locals said no, council said no, but because some people were about 580 meters from the nearest stop, and Ken wants everyone within (I think) 500m, he ploughed on regardless of the consultation. His blatant ignoring of the consultation was brough up in Parliament and is in fact quite dangerous as he seems to have no checks to his power and does what he likes.
Shepherds Bush congestion - flunky
Lud Not sure you are right here.


Not Lud, me.
Without getting into a political debate this was
not part of the last election. Also if you looked at the link in my
initial reply (the one saving Shep Bush's streets) the tram was condemned by both Tory
and Labour.


This was the 2006 council elections, not the 2005 general election; the real swings were in Ealing (where the Labour council was punished for its support); the Hammersmith and Hillingdon takeovers by Tory councils just put the nail in the coffin.
Shepherds Bush congestion - Altea Ego
Shepherds Bush is a complete nightmare, I have been stuck in jams for up to two hours round there every day for a week

Hold on

Oh no that was in 1973.

Guys, its ALWAYS been a mess.


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Shepherds Bush congestion - Lud
Damn sight worse now TVM. You are idealising how awful it was then. You must have been an impatient little so-and-so in fact.
 

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