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Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - cheddar
A taxi driver could lose his income after council officials refused to renew a licence for his classic car, because it is too old. Bob Coles drives passengers in Bath in his 25-year-old Mercedes LWB.

But the 54-year-old father-of-two was told his private hire licence would not be renewed in October as the vehicle was more than seven years old. A council spokesman said the decision had been taken on grounds of the vehicle's age and high mileage.

Despite having clocked 134,000 miles the car was deemed in excellent condition by Bath and North East Somerset Council's licensing officer last year.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6677345.stm


134,000 miles is not excessive for a cab!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - L'escargot
Rules are rules, and this vehicle didn't comply with them.
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L\'escargot.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Armitage Shanks {p}
It must have complied with them at some time in the past as he has been using it as a taxi or (more likely) they have been changed. He has got a licence on a vehicle which was 24 years old when the cut off is 7 so has he been breaking the 'rules' for 17 years? I'd rather be in a well maintained 25 year old MB than a 6 year old "Almost anything else". Sounds like a desk bound jobsworth on the case and off the plot!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Number_Cruncher
>>Rules are rules


Yes, but these rules aren't handed down in tablets of stone, they aren't the crafted outputs of some paragon of wisdom and virtue; rather they are dreamt up by seat warming, oxygen stealing, joy killing dullards. These rules should be held in the contempt they deserve, and the joy killing dullards, held tightly by the throat!

Number_Cruncher
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Lud
>> These rules should be held in the contempt they
deserve and the joy killing dullards held tightly by the throat!

>>

....and squeezed until they promise to go back to school and become less of a pain in the fundament.

Very sound comment NC.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - local yokel
A 25 y/o Mercedes that has only done that mileage - hope he can prove it! Most that age will ahve done three times that. I was bidding on an 88 300TD that had done 390k.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - tr7v8
Ah read it again it say 134,000 LAST YEAR, not since it was built!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - cheddar
Ah read it again it say 134 000 LAST YEAR not since it was built!


I does not say that ?
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - zm
A 25 y/o Mercedes that has only done that mileage - hope he can prove
it! Most that age will ahve done three times that. I was bidding on an
88 300TD that had done 390k.


I recently saw an 02 plate E220 CDI that had covered 426000 miles, still on original auto box apparently!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - boxsterboy
I recently saw an 02 plate E220 CDI that had covered 426000 miles still on
original auto box apparently!


Crumbs, that must be some sort of a record?! Over 1600 miles per week for 5 years!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - NowWheels
Rules are rules and this vehicle didn't comply with them.


And the most important rule is that the person applying them must never ever give an impression of having exercised their grey cells :(

A 25-yo Merc may well be a much better and safer vehicle than a 1-yo far-eastern cardboard car, and I'd trust it a lot more than the 5-yo reomobiles with intergalactic mileages which my local taxi fleets rely on.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Roger Jones
There's a general move afoot to make the use of old cars increasingly difficult. If only the idiots behind it would read what HJ had to say on Saturday: ". . . the public would then realise that building disposable new cars with an effective life of about seven years is far more damaging to the planet than running simpler, older cars for 20--30 years."
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - L'escargot
And the most important rule is that the person applying them must never ever give
an impression of having exercised their grey cells :(


It's no worse than a driver having to apply for a new driving licence at age 70 and every three years thereafter regardless.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - NowWheels

SNIP! {Unneccessay quoting of message being replied to removed - DD}
It's no worse than a driver having to apply for a new driving licence at
age 70 and every three years thereafter regardless.


So when you get age 70 and are in great health, with all your faculties intact and well-maintained, you wouldn't mind that some jobsworth spotted a grey hair and revokes your licence?

I don't think it's a bad idea to have either sort of test, in fact both are probably a good idea. They just need to be applied intelligently.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - drawde
I'm from Bath and this cab is very well known - I see it almost every time I'm in Bath in the evening. There's a couple of them about, one of them is a bit chavvy with blue LEDs in the washer jets and a massive spotlight behind the grille-mounted three pointed star, which doesn't really work with a navy blue S-Class limo.

Bob's is lovely though, excellent condition inside and out, and a damn sight nicer than the 1994-99 Corollas and Vectras I usually end up in, and maybe even better than the 04 plate C-Class I was in the other week. Given the size of the thing, its probably pretty safe because you're so far from any accidents you might be involved in!

Local paper aticle is: tinyurl.com/ypzvvo {Link to www.thisisbath.co.uk/ shortened - DD}

It says appeals are considered individually for their merits, so I hope he appeals and I hope B&NES council see sense!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - zm
Rules are rules and this vehicle didn't comply with them.
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L\'escargot.


And do you by any chance work in a pen pushing role for the government by any chance?
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Ian G
I don't see how he will lose his income?

Surely it's just a case of getting a newer cab?

When my desk and pen run out, I won't lose my government paid income - I'll just get new ones :)

Joking aside, the Council are probably considering factors such as safety features offered by newer vehicles, the already dismissed emission outputs of older vehicles, and even things like appearance (some Councils are quite fussy about which cars can carry their licence).



Ian
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Armitage Shanks {p}
IG. He says he can't afford a new(er) cab. When your desk and pen run out the Queen will give you new ones or you could buy your own which would cost less than a cab! I'm joking too!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - L'escargot
And do you by any chance work in a pen pushing role for the government
by any chance?


No.
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L\'escargot.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - mss1tw
No.


Government leaflet 18483xc section A requires this to be referred to as 'Negative yes'.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - a900ss
And do you by any chance work in a pen pushing role for the government
by any chance?


I think you'll find he is in the licenced carriage trade...


I can understand though, my father is a cabbie and he has to have a vehicle under 5 years old. If somebody is allowed a vehicle over 5 years old, it is not fair on all other owners of cabs.

Likewise, although this may be the exception, most cars of this age would be shot to pieces, unsafe and certainly not fit for carrying passengers for hire and reward.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Number_Cruncher
For me, the silly think about these rules is the idea that a car older than 5 or 7 years old is automatically unsuitable. Surely a more stringent MOT type inspection would do the best job. After a while, it would become more and more expensive to get older cars through this stringent test, and the commercial decision to update a car would happen naturally, perhaps at different ages for different makes and qualities of car, rather than being artificially forced by blanket age limits.

In a way, this modification would align the rules with the example given by L'escargot above. Drivers are only taken off the road at 70 if they aren't up to it, just as older cars should only be removed *if* they aren't up to it.

Number_Cruncher
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Lud
Surely a more stringent MOT type
inspection would do the best job. After a while it would become more and more
expensive to get older cars through this stringent test and the commercial decision to update
a car would happen naturally perhaps at different ages for different makes and qualities of
car rather than being artificially forced by blanket age limits.

>>

Yes but NC, don't encourage the screaming carphounds with this 'more stringent', er, carp.

Remember that cars made before the recent emissions carp are allowed to emit more, er, carp. AQs of course they should be, as it does no harm to man or beast.

Sorry about all the, er, carp.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Lud
AQs=As
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Number_Cruncher
>>don't encourage the screaming carphounds

Perish the thought Lud!!

I tend to think that emissions regs are a political nonsense MOT item, and so, if I had my way, they would just melt away into the background to be replaced with a nice easy cheap visible smoke test.

But, I would like to think that taxis, cabs, and private hire cars were mechanically tip-top **. For example, 3mm on the tyres instead of 1.6. I would also include a mandatory road test to expose faults not obvious on the ramp, for example, noisy CV joints.

** Having been a passenger in may taxis which had quite serious faults, I know that the taxi regs in the Pendle area either weren't adequate, or weren't being applied properly.

Number_Cruncher


Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Westpig
i know i've mentioned this before...but...here goes again

Sir Douglas Bader quote " Rules are meant for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools"

if his car is decent and roadworthy..leave him alone....if not, invoke the rule....simple isn't it

why do these cretins get involved otherwise..well, because they can... minion in lowly paid nowhere job with a bit of power over someone else, which makes him feel good....not at all capable/willing to look at the bigger picture i.e. why is there a rule in the first place?

how pathetic.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - L'escargot
I think you'll find he is in the licenced carriage trade...


No.
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L'escargot.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Tomo
>> And do you by any chance work in a pen pushing role for the government
by any chance?


About half the population seems to nowadays. But not too hard!
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Avant
He should hire himself and the Mercedes out for weddings - that could make him enough to make payments on an Octavia for use during the week.
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Dwight Van Driver
Could it be that rule is for that local Council.

An adjoining Council may not be so draconian?

dvd
Vintage cab 'too old for licence' - Sofa Spud
Important:

In BATH, the place in question here, a HORSE AND OPEN CARRIAGE is used as a taxi around the city centre during the tourist season. It even has a hackney carriage plate on the back.

The carriage, of course, might not be old - it could be a replica, and the horse might be quite young too, but surely this is unfair. A Chrysley 300C is used as a taxi in Bath too, as an aside.
 

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