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His bail's been revoked, according to that report. Probably a good thing to lock him up awaiting trial, he's already tried to leave the country once.
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Organisers insist it is a tour of cultural sites and drivers have to abide by the laws and road regulations of the country.
Yeah right!!!
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The bit that I don't get about them claiming "speeding not advocated" is they organise events in the evenings at the destination. Therefore drivers are keen to get there on time and will therefore speed. I hope they do not bring this back.
This speed thing reminds me of the TG staged race between a Veyron and a plane. Now if the Veyron stuck to speed limits then why a Veyron and not say an Audi A8 4.0TD or even any diesel like boring Mondeo's? Audi would go further between stops and be no slower apart from acceleration. And because of the increased range would be faster then the Veyron due to not stopping. And they did a test of the Audi driving from Scotland to London once on a tankful. So they are advocating speeding on roads on TG. And in the real world and speeding I bet the Audi could be close to the Veyron by not stopping so much.
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This speed thing reminds me of the TG staged race between a Veyron and a plane. Now if the Veyron stuck to speed limits then why a Veyron and not say an Audi A8 4.0TD or even any diesel like boring Mondeo's?
So they are advocating speeding on roads on TG.
Hard to believe but true.
I would be concerned about some rich nutters racing each other to get to the party in time, but not by the TG lot. In the latter case you only see them speeding on high speed roads, and not through towns and residential areas.
The irony is May (Captain Slow) appears to have more points on his license that His Barking-ness and Hammond.
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"Organisers insist it is a tour of cultural sites and drivers have to abide by the laws and road regulations of the country"
My exhaust pipe.
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Oh dear. They were just a lot of car enthusiasts, rich for the most part, not very traditional, going out for a sprauncy good time.
It went pear-shaped for someone as it sometimes does. Informative details on the actual incident are notably thin on the ground.
Spare us for God's sake a load of sentimental or envious or otherwise po-faced disapproving claptrap.
There but for the grace of God etc. etc., knowImean?
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Lud, I sincerely hope you never have to suffer the distress of any of your family getting in the way of a some car enthusiasts 'out for a sprauncy good time'. If some 'Chav' lad in a Corsa with a noisy exhaust was driving at high speed on the wrong side of the road and smacked head-on into a couple of pensioners you'd probably be advocating locking him up and throwing away the key.......
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A number of years ago I was unfortunate enough to be involved in a busines venture with one of the most unpleasant, bullying, egotistical persons of questionable parentage that I ever hope to meet again. One of his 'hobby's' was 'Gumballing'. Whilst in his London residence he showed a video, taken by some poor unfortunate cameraman that he had retained for the purpose of recording his gross idiocy from the back of his supercharged, nitrous oxide injected car (best keep the model secret), of him lighting a cigarette with the spedometer indicating 200mph. Granted this was on a German Autobahn but other footage showed him at 150 whilst driving through built up areas racing with two other competitiors.
I like fast cars and enjoy travelling at speed when the conditions (law) allows, these people should be bannd from driving, much as football hooligans are from attending matches and travelling abroad.
Really puts us original hoorays to shame!
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I don't do much calling for people to be incarcerated actually Aprilia. Nor, in response to kievclive, do I imagine one of these rallies would be my sort of thing (see in fact my first post above).
But before joining any general howl of execration I would like to have some idea how the colourful 911 came to grief. Could well be that the driver was being a maniac, but could well be that someone else meandered into the path of a fast-moving vehicle.
It does somewhat call in question the wisdom of holding these things in countries where people don't expect cars to be going fast though.
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By the way Aprilia, I thought of you last night when a black Range Rover Sport with a loud exhaust and extra black bling came past the pub I was outside at something like 80, lifting off for the lights 150 yards away. The road lifts and curves to the right while dropping back down to the lights.
The RR, on the overrun and braking, twitched visibly at the apex of that curve and hump in the road, before turning right through a traffic light by then red.
All of this in a main London road, 30 limit. I always sit outside there when the weather's good to watch the traffic, but I really do expect to see a crash one day. Just hope I'm not involved.
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It does somewhat call in question the wisdom of holding these things in countries where people don't expect cars to be going fast though.
the pictures of the accident show a built up or semi built up area........or at least somewhere that over here would be a 30mph limit
if you're going to stretch your vehicle performance, at least have the common sense to do it on an open road with reasonable vision......... otherwise they should keep to a sensible speed in a built up area, where you might expect kids,dogs, people driving slowly etc........and surely in that part of the world you'd expect many locals to be driving basic, small cars and not be used to supercars being driven at speed..........in other words anticipation.
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Lud said: "Oh dear. They were just a lot of car enthusiasts, rich for the most part, not very traditional, going out for a sprauncy good time. It went pear-shaped for someone as it sometimes does. Informative details on the actual incident are notably thin on the ground. Spare us for God's sake a load of sentimental or envious or otherwise po-faced disapproving claptrap. There but for the grace of God etc. etc., knowImean?"
Depends. If they were having a good time and driving safely, then fair enough. I don't hold with the simplistic "speed kills" slogan. But by all accounts this 'race' is just that, and there have been near misses in the past. As far as I am concerned, anyone who races on public roads (without first closing the roads) is a grade one plonker and worthy of contempt. And if one causes an accident, they should accept the consequences.
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And if one causes an accident they should accept the consequences.
Certainly agree with that. Trying to do a runner is pretty naff to put it mildly, juvenile really.
I am curious about kievclive's former colleague's projectile though. Some sort of Mercedes would be my guess, the gaunt and evil looking hairdresser's supercar... and the description of his personality certainly fits my perception of the social climate on these events.
Nevertheless I am sure there are some nicer and saner people who do it. But they would probably be happier at a well-ordered all-comers' hillclimb.
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This might be the first time I've seen "gaunt and evil looking" alongside "hairdresser" in the same sentence. I guess it is a few months since I've been and they might have changed.
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The Gumballers pay their money and take their chances. If they crash in a Third World country and end up in prison then that's tough. But not as a tough as an early, violent death.
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The Gumballers pay their money and take their chances. If they crash in a Third World country and end up in prison then that's tough. But not as a tough as an early violent death.
how about the people who haven't paid any money and don't want to take any chances?
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Can one enter the Gumball without paying money?
With all due respect Westpig, as I'm sure you know the phrase "pay your money" means buying into a risk. The Gumballers know they take risks when they enter the thing, so no sympathy from me for the imprisoned Gumballer, even if he was not at fault.
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i meant the innocent, nothing to do with the rally....and it's now clear you only meant the Gumballers i.e. they're in it with their eyes open so tough doo-doo
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I don't know if the dead road user was at fault or otherwise, but any participant in the Gumball knows the risks. If the Gumballers really want a challenge then hire the IOM for a week. Supercars on closed roads on the IOM? Yes please! Although I suspect that the typical Gumballer would make their excuses and leave. Which means a dour Yorkshireman or manic Irishman will win. So not such a good idea after all ;-0
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why don't you organise one Micky.......i realise an 8 yr old auto S Type is hardly a supercar, but i'd be willing to shuffle that around as quick as i could?
watched a video once of Tony Pond driving a then new Rover 827 manual around the Manx TT course trying to beat the 100mph lap (at the end of a bike session, so marshals all present etc).......at one point he had it doing 150 on the clock and said if he got the corner right he'd just touch the mirror on a granite wall........did too
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I have that video! Perhaps the most disconcerting thing is TP's laconic commentating: Mr Average drives to work.
I have a business plan that involves flying people-with-money to the IOM in my personal Buccaneer at low level, for a week of high speed thrills involving Group B cars and mid-1980's turbo F1 cars. And then I wake up. I can't understand why a car manufacturer hasn't followed Rover's example. And why didn't Rover use a twin turbo 6R4 with minimal suspension and slicks? Kate's Cottage at xxxmph would have been twitchy.
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Wonderful.
The full video features TP eating his breakfast before bidding farewell to his missus. I think there's a 120 mph lap there for a Porch of some description. All the Eyetie cars would crash or breakdown (hopefully).
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video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=636338748934687...2 You can watch it here.
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That was simply just astonishing!!!!!!!!!
The guy had supreme talent clearly. I could beleave this being possible in one of today's cars (Evo, 911, RS4 etc), but to manage this in a Rover 827 Vitesse just does not seem plausible, yet he did it!
No doubt some of you will totally disagree and tell me accordingly, but I don't recall the 827 Vitesse as being regarded as all that quick - and certainly not remembered as a great handler - even in it's day, especially when you think that at the same time cars such as the Sapphire Cosworth, 190E 16v, E30 M3, E34 535i, Carlton GSI were around, all of which were better.
If you think about the Rover it was a big heavy front wheel drive hatchback car that was not all that powerful, probably not half the grip of say an Impreza (though of course the slicks would help). Just make's TP's drive all the more incredible.
It is a great shame that Tony Pond is no longer with us to be able to attempt this again in one of today's cars; I wonder how much quicker it would be?
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Slicks make a big difference, I can't believe that the suspension was standard either, the car was very flat at speed through some of the most demanding corners.
">Sapphire Cosworth, 190E 16v, E30 M3, E34 535i, Carlton GSI<"
It was 1990(?), all very twitchy RWD or AWD, the damp track would have claimed them, IMHO. Standard 827 was 170ish bhp, 6 speed close ratio box would have improved the time. Kate's Cottage was very much a moment of trust.
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video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=636338748934687...2 You can watch it here.
Very fine indeed. What a frightening circuit.
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I believe that the entry fee is/was circa. GBP30K, judging by the number of 'models' and the likes of Tara Parker-Tomkinson who have been previous 'entrys' it would be hard to define the 'rally' as being a serious motorsport event or of containing a great deal of culture.
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