It's those people who complain vehemently about people smoking when all involved are out in the open air that really gets my goat...:-)
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Excellent stuff if you ask me. I can't stand the smell of fag smoke, especially stale smoke. And there is nothing worse than getting out of seat that a smoker's been sat in, it leaves you clothes smellling horrible. Smoking is no more acceptable than spitting or allowing dogs to foul.
I have been to smoke free areas of the US and it makes things much more pleasant. Recently I was in Hong Kong and the whole place is smoke free - signs everywhere and a HK$5000 fine for smoking. Also high fines for spitting in a public place, littering and dog fouling. Unsurprisingly the place is clean and civilised (compared to UK).
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Not motoring related but "amusing"... but not totally PC. But this post reminds me.
When my brother moved to California years ago to work for HP over there , someone asked where a colleague was and he said "he's gone outside for a fag". He got some strange looks since he did not know what the US definition of "fag" was. I think they all had a laugh in the end :-)
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Hmmmm, just spotted a niche market. I am going to form a company "Nosmo King Signs Ltd" Should bring in the shillings!
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Smoking is no more acceptable thanspitting or allowing dogs to foul.
Sanctimonious claptrap.
Your body may be a temple, OK. Keep it that way by all means.
But don't tell me a minor pong that most grownups have lived with all their lives is the same as toxicara or TB.
Carp, baby, whether you like it or not.
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>> But don't tell me a minor pong that most grownups have lived with all their lives
That's Labout, isn't it?
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Come on, chaps - it's not hard to find something you can call petty in any set of regulations - they're drawn up by lawyers who are keen to eliminate the kind of loophole that excites debate in other parts of the Backroom, which means that they cover things you and I might think don't need covering. I can't really foresee prosecutions of corner shops and van drivers for failure to display signs, can you?
Incidentally, Wales, where I spent the week after Easter, already has its smoking ban and is much the better for it. We had good meals in a couple of places in Tenby - one pub, one fish-and-chip café - that we might not even have gone into before for fear of a kippering, even in the 'non-smoking area'. (Anyone else remember Victor Lewis-Smith likening this to a 'no-piddling area in a swimming pool'?) Both were busy with happy-looking customers enjoying food they could taste and an atmosphere they could see through. Trouble is, the No Smoking signs there have to be in Welsh as well, but I didn't hear anyone grumble about any of it.
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It's not the minor pong that gets me, it's the lit cigarette end carelessly thrown out of the car window, with no regard as to where it's going that means I'm happy to support no smoking in cars. Smokers appear to be a self-centred breed who think it's ok to throw their waste wrapping wherever they please, flick ash over everyone but themselves, burn or disfigure shelves/cisterns in public toilets by leaving them to burn whilst their hands are otherwise engaged, etc. When they do use an ash tray it seems acceptable to lean out of the car and deposit the contents in the nearest gulley. I'm sure that many unexplained car fires on the motorway are caused by air intakes sucking in a smouldering dog end, which then sets the air filter on fire.
If smokers were a little more considerate of others then I'm certain that most of the recent anti-smoking legislation wouldn't have had much support.
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Hi there, Doug_r1 Please dont( tar) every smoker with the same brush. Cheers, Graham.
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I think doug is just pointing out what happens and is not saying that ALL smokers do ALL these things! He is right about scorched toilet cisterns and, judging by the strategically located heaps of fag ends in supermarket car parks, many find it easier to dump the contents of their ashtray out of the door than take it home. I work for a NHS organisation that has banned smoking in all its buildings (fair do) and in its grounds as well! I can't be bothered to try and stop someone smoking in the wide open air outside reception.
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Er, don't want to be an anorak chaps, but aren't scorched toilet cisterns, windowsills, Chippendale dining tables and so on a result of smoking and, well, not to put too fine a point on it, drinking, both at the same time?
Puts a bit of a strain on some people's upbringing that.
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Worse than a bit of fag smoke, is the noxious fumes that all your cars, especially the diesels, kick out all the time, and that I can't avoid by putting a sign on the dash.
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Why smoke anyway !
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Most of the people who complain bitterly about smokers don't have any qualms about driving cars, using public transport that emits dirty diesel emissions and fly wherever they wish.
Like "global warming" it's a trendy band wagon.
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Its not a 'trendy bandwagon' at all. Have you ever tried to valet a car that's been owned by a heavy smoker? The smell gets into the very fabric of the vehicle and even using deodorants has limited effect. It takes months to go away.
If people want to smoke in their own private property or well away from other's breathing space then that's fine - smoking in a confined space amongst other people is just selfish.
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Ah, it does make me laugh all this teeth gnashing in England. Here in Bonnie Scotland we've had no smoking for > a year now, including the signs in the cars - everybody just gets on with it. Having to go to a pub or restaurant in England where people are still allowed to smoke is a truly horrible experience once you are used to a NS culture....! Within 6 months you will all wonder what the fuss was about, and struggle to believe it was ever the 'norm' to have to wash all your clothes after a quick pint (obviously not while driving.... :-) )
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Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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It least it will see the end of those meally-mouthed pathetic signs "Thank you for not smoking".
The next target will be to ban babies in cars. Then there will be no more "Baby on board" signs.
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I work in a quite attractive sandstone building surrounded by rolling farmland and woods. I'm very lucky to work in such lovely surroundings, and all the buildings on site are already no smoking.
What exactly is the point of a law coming in to state that a building which is already no smoking now has to have a great unsightly sign attached to every doorway?
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On July 1st, both my car and my garage are going to become compulsory smoking zones. Exemptions will be entirely at my discretion, and anyone complaining about the fumes will be liable to summary ejection.
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Sounds like a good idea to me.
Shall we start a company making "No No Smoking signs" ?
In my case it is just as much getting cheezed off, fed up, however you want to put it with seemingly every anti everything/"expert" telling me what is good for me.
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What I find so refreshing about S Africa is the absence of petty legislation and its associated bureaucracy. I imagine its time will come... but for the time being the country has more important things to worry about, like improving the economic prospects, health and longevity, and education of most of the population, tackling HIV/AIDS and big drug and alcohol problems, and reducing the rate of violent deaths. Over there our preoccupation with trivial matters and our heavy approach to legislation would be considered laughable.
Mind you, most places suffer less from misguided do-gooders and lame-brain bureaucrats than this godforsaken one. I'm in favour of smoke-free restaurants, pubs, etc, but all the other associated garbage makes my blood boil. The cost of it all is astronomical.
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Mind you most places suffer less from misguided do-gooders and lame-brain bureaucrats than this godforsaken one. I'm in favour of smoke-free restaurants pubs etc but all the other associated garbage makes my blood boil. The cost of it all is astronomical.
Obviously third-world countries have higher priorities than smoking legislation. In SA I guess you're more likely to die of a gunshot than through smoking related illness.
The UK is actually behind a lot of countries when it comes to smoking legislation and seems to have been very tardy in passing this legislation. The a lot of the US, Japan, Hong Kong, Ireland and I believe some states in Australia there is already a smoking ban.
If you think the UK has a lot of bureaucracy then you should visit a few other countries. The Asian countries in particular can be extremely bureaucratic and there is legislation covering absolutely everything.
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If you think the UK has a lot of bureaucracy then you should visit a few other countries. The Asian countries in particular can be extremely bureaucratic and there is legislation covering absolutely everything.
But is this really a suitable, desirable or even bearable example for us to follow, Aprilia? Seems to me it goes against the grain.
I know the smoking ban is at least partly well-intentioned and it's silly to get hot under the collar about it, but I just can't help it.
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>>On July 1st, both my car and my garage are going to become compulsory smoking zones.
Hey Lawman, what about your house, or is that where SWMBO rules?
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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
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Oh I can imagine the NS brigade not being able to cope with that one.... "He's only joking... but you can't joke about it... but what if he is doing it... but it's his car... and it's not harming anyone else.... damn I can't think of a reason to disapprove..... what else can I think of to be sanctimonious about....CANNOT COMPUTE"
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Tongue firmly in cheek.
Dead simple for me, as I've no doubt said before. Don't partic care about smoking ban. Not partic pro-smoking, pretty ambivalent. But the more people get STUPID about it; "Smokers cause global warming, avian flu, cat flu, TB, diptheria, ME and Weil's disease are caused by Lambert and Butler smoke... and that's true 'cos I read a government report that quoted something entirely out of context" the more likely I am to smoke like a chimney just because it annoys Tarquin and Cressida types who come out with such bulldust. I bought a car once that had previously been owned by a smoker, no doubt I have had secondary tertiary seat-related smoke damage.... utter piffle.
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>>smoking in a confined space amongst other people is just selfish.>>
The same could be said of people using mobile phones.....
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Smoking is a dirty smelly habit on a par imo with passing wind (but more dangerous).
Banning it in public comes 50 years too late.
Complainants about the new laws are as sanctimonious as those who complained about the drink driving laws.
Exits hastily, having got coat !:-))
madf
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Being a non-smoker I can only say its a good thing - purely a personal view to which everyone is entitled. We were talking about this ban coming in last night and my father recalled my late uncle (who died a violent non smoking related death in 1945) he was an RAF pilot who insisted on lighting up on the return leg of a successful sortie, I suggest that his Halifax bomber was a "workplace" for the purposes of the Act, but no-one complained or threatened to prosecute him and I suggest that he and his crew were exposed to far more work related Health and Safety issues in 6 hours than most of us will ever face in a lifetime.......makes you think really.
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Today is the day when Northern Ireland goes smokefree.
Anyone in NI like to comment on it's implementation?
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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
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