I love that argument 'for the sake of the animals, and the environment, go vegetarian.'
What exactly do they think would happen if everyone went vegetarian overnight? There are only two choices:
All the cattle get culled: Doesn't seem to be that good a deal for them really.
The cattle don't get culled: How is this helping the environment again?
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Well the real world is that a lot of little piggies are sacrificed for the sake of our bacon butties. Converting waste products into an usable by product is a good thing therefore. Wonder if this will make the Defender run more like a pig than ever ?
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"Wonder if this will make the Defender run more like a pig than ever ?"
Very likely, in our climate, unless either heating elements are installed in fuel systems or additives are put into the fuel to ensure it doesn't thicken and clog injectors, pumps, lines etc. Think about what happens to sunflower oil if you put it in the fridge - no real difference. Olive oil can go cloudy. Palm oil will start to solidify*. Animal grease doesn't even need the fridge to solidify.
*This is one of the things that galls me about what is happening in Indonesia - swathes of rainforest being cut down in order to plant out the land for fuel crops, i.e. palm-derived biodiesel for export to the EU. The fuel then requires further treatment before it can be used in any meaningful quantity outside the southern Mediterranean in summer. Meanwhile we haven't been growing rapeseed (a more suitable feedstock oil for our climate) on all that unused agricultural land that farmers have been subsidised to leave fallow, and species like the orang-utan are dying out. Oh well, maybe we can turn them into fuel as well.
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andymc
Vroom, vroom - mmm, doughnuts ...
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It will only be added to conventional diesel in small quantities I would think. (Despite working for the comapny I havent read any detail yet, it was only announced wednesday pm).
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*This is one of the things that galls me about what is happening in Indonesia - swathes of rainforest being cut down in order to plant out the land for fuel crops i.e. palm-derived biodiesel for export to the EU.
Add to that the peat burning, which if stopped would lead to a considerable fall in global CO2 emissions.
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What exactly do they think would happen if everyone went vegetarian overnight? There are only two choices: All the cattle get culled: Doesn't seem to be that good a deal for them really.
Beef cattle and pigs are bred for meat I believe and I have on good authority that all meat found in UK butchers is dead.
Pigs are slaughtered at around 20-24 weeks, so killed or culled, I suspect they might not fully understand the subtle difference or have a preference.
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This fat comes from the waste that would otherwise be incinerated.
www.pdm-group.co.uk/
in Nottingham has done this for a long time, and are probably the only ones doing it on any scale.
Also to the vegetarians, mussalmaan and yehoudi, where do you think the esters used in sodium laureth sulphate in soaps, shampoos, shower gels, toothpaste comes from? Pig's fat and blood, Cow's fat and blood, Sheep fat and meat meal, Chicken's fat.
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all bow to black pudding
if a car lost its fuel of pig on a corner of a busy road junction would this become a congealed entrance?
just trotting off to the garage dear
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all bow to black pudding if a car lost its fuel of pig on a corner of a busy road junction would this become a congealed entrance? just trotting off to the garage dear
:^D You swine
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This fat comes from the waste that would otherwise be incinerated.
Erm, it still will be incinerated!
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It would be interesting to know what animal products are already used in cars.
For example, I have sometimes replaced leather oil seals. But I am not aware of cars having labels saying Not suitable for vegetarians, or Hindus (if cow leather) or Muslims (if pig leather). Obviously an entire leather interior would speak for itself, but a lot of components are hidden.
Are cars tested on animals?
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Are cars tested on animals?
lots of dogs/ cats/ sparrow pigeons/foxes/badgers/peasants and pheasants/are killed near me on a daily basis
rabbits hourly at the moment
ok bro?
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Are cars tested on animals?
There is the skandinavian 'Elk' test - don't think any animals are harmed in the testing though!
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It would be interesting to know what animal products are already used in cars.
I've heard that some cars use cats in the exhaust system to reduce emissions. I don't think that's ethical.
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Of course there are those Texans who put steer horns on the bonnets of their pink Cadillac convertibles as a warning to pedestrians not to become careless.
What you might call organic bull bars. To go with the ostrich-skin wallet, snakeskin boots, rawhide underarm holster, dogskin gloves and rhinoceros-hide stockwhip.
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"Hindus (if cow leather)"
Hindus can have leather seats in their car - the cow is 'sacred' - well, sacred is the best translation, but not at all perfect, it is 'sacred' because of the leather seats, milk, curds, yoghurt, the droppings as fuel where there is no wood or coal and also to pull carts or plough fields. The Cow is 'sacred' as it has a special place in the heart, just as the english don't eat horses (or dogs) as there is an intimate affinity that does not exist with other livestock. This is enshrined in hinduism because of the sort of religion it is. So don't worry about giving a hindu a lift on your leather seats or selling a car to one.
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and they make cars a hindu-stan i think
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The animals bred for food are never aware of their eventual fate, but if they are in the wild then they do know their true predators.
Death for most animals in the wild is usually far, far more cruel in reality than if undertaken by mankind, as any TV nature programme reveals.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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Yes, most people probably do not want to know how a Sparrow hawk dines. It is not nice. At least we slaughter the cow before we start carving.
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Yes most people probably do not want to know how a Sparrow hawk dines.
I do.
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I knew I was right when I called the Ran a swine and pig.....
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>> Yes most people probably do not want to know how a >> Sparrow hawk dines. I do.
Not for the squeamish. Basically it will swoop on its prey, and grip it tightly in its talons. It will then proceed to tear out pieces of flesh from its still living victim. The death can take half and hour or more, as the Sparrow Hawk pulls off limbs, skin and flesh.
I learnt this as a few years back a colleague heard an incredible commotion in his garden as a black bird flew from one end of the garden to the other making one hell of a racket. It turned out that a Sparrow Hawk had caught one of its young, and was crouched in the corner, consuming the living victim. The parent was trying to frighten the Hawk away with little success.
The idea of nature being noble is not really accurate. It is red in tooth and claw as the saying goes.
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Not for the squeamish. Basically it will swoop on its prey and grip it tightly in its talons. It will then proceed to tear out pieces of flesh from its still living victim. The death can take half and hour or more as the Sparrow Hawk pulls off limbs skin and flesh. I learnt this as a few years back a colleague heard an incredible commotion in his garden as a black bird flew from one end of the garden to the other making one hell of a racket. It turned out that a Sparrow Hawk had caught one of its young and was crouched in the corner consuming the living victim. The parent was trying to frighten the Hawk away with little success. The idea of nature being noble is not really accurate. It is red in tooth and claw as the saying goes.
Yes I think the way humans do things is a million times better than that...
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Death for most animals in the wild is usually far far more cruel in reality than if undertaken by mankind as any TV nature programme reveals.
I think any vegetarian, which I'm not, might think you're rather missing the point. The problem is less the instant of death and more the quality of the preceding life.
Wild boar don't spend their entire lives in sheds under artificial light kept in pens deliberately so tight as to stop them turning round so they put on weight as fast as possible and can be slaughtered at a few months old. Wild birds aren't crammed into cages with only netting between them and their own faeces with their beaks cut off to stop them injuring each other.
It's interesting that most people wouldn't think of doing that to their own pet animals, might even be bit sentimental, but are, including me, happy to ignore what happens to get cheap food. Ignorance is bliss.
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But very little of theabove has much to do with the original post, which is about using the waste fat to produce diesel. No pigs or any other animals will be bred or killed for diesel production - they will already be dead, processed and the good bits (!) eaten.
Mind you, as a student I had a summer job in butchers and judging from what went in the pork pies, and the leftovers that went in the "pasties", I'm surprised there are any waste products from any animal after the butchers have finished.
As for sparrowhawks one came over my hedge at what seemed like 100mph and destroyed a robin on the lawn - just a few feathers left, and yesterday next door's cat paraded through the garden with a collared dove in its mouth - nature is very cruel also.
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Phil
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Cats sometimes swallow young mice alive. You can hear them squeaking inside for a while.
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"While animal diesel may be an environmentally friendly alternative, there are fears it may not be to everybody's tastes or ethics."
I can't imagine anyone wanting to drink it anyway!
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L\'escargot.
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I can't imagine anyone wanting to drink it anyway!
Quite unlike ordinary diesel then. People are always sinking pints of that.
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