How to respond to loony driver? - Oz
On my way to our local tip this morning on a 30mph road near our town centre, I and others were amazed to be overtaken by a prat in a 4x4 doing around double the limit. Transpired that he and family were also on the way to the tip, so after arrival I felt compelled to say: "The limit on xxxx Road is 30mph ..... and there are frequent speed traps."
His high-IQ reply was: "Get a life ...... Get a life."
Suggestions for my response? (Expletive-free of course). Or am I totally out of touch?

Oz (as was)
How to respond to loony driver? - sierraman
Something along the lines of driving that way might result in the loss of one?Or just let his tyres down when he's not looking : )
How to respond to loony driver? - Lud
Don't. Let him stew in his own juice.
How to respond to loony driver? - Oz
Thanks SM - in fact I did say something about me and others actually keeping the lives we've already got - and I don't think I'm in the Victor Meldrew zone yet.
Oz (as was)
How to respond to loony driver? - driller
Alternatively, you could mind your own business? Frankly, you were lucky that's all he said/did. If there are speed traps there, they'll hopefully catch him. Its not your place to tell others how to drive is it? Think of the spectacle of you ending up fighting with him, his wife and little Troy and Biffa are slashing your tyres. You might then be thinking..."Why didn't I just leave it"
How to respond to loony driver? - Robbie
Alternatively, you could mind your own business?


Does nothing annoy you? I can appreciate Oz's feelings, but I think I'm almost there with Victor.
How to respond to loony driver? - bell boy
OZ
his arrogant attitude will catch up with him
live in the pleasure that you have a more fulfilling life
the world is full of prats like him
on average i meet one a day
as said he could just end up doing something silly like stabbing you,keep away
How to respond to loony driver? - R75
You could have just said:-

"your braver then me mate, no way would I have gone past that scamera van at double the speed limit"

then sit back and watch him panic.
How to respond to loony driver? - JH
Oz,
Yesterday I was approaching a set of temporary traffic lights at road works which spanned a hump back bridge. The far end was invisible. The lights went red and at least 4 cars ahead of me carried on. OK, I'll hold my hand up, I've squeezed through on occasion, but not as car 5, so I slowed and halted. Some nutter overtook several cars, not just me, tagged onto the end ans went through the red light. The world is full of 'em. I think you did the right thing but there was the risk that he may have gone bonkers and pulled out his baseball bat (why is it never a cricket bat, is there a clue here?) so plan b is ignore it.

Of course when I'm world dictator...

JH
How to respond to loony driver? - madf
The last guy to remonstrate with a 4x4 driver and hit the news was stabbed... and his killer was Kenneth Noye who had a history of violence etc (he got life)..

Personally I have a great love of an unpunctured skin and my own life and would leave muppets like that well alone: for all you know he could have murdered his wife/mistress/au-pair/mother -in-law and be disposing of the body in bits at the tip...
and being an obvious loon he mighht decide to have a go at you for slowing him down/he does not like your voice/face/clothes or he's just having a bad day ... or he's high on drugs and does not know or care what he is doing..

(Judging by local Manchester court cases the latter is highly possible... not worth the risk imo).
madf
How to respond to loony driver? - barchettaman
Having been on the receiving end of a knife, I can seriously recommend not getting into any situation that might result in similar.
Punctured lungs and chest drains smart a bit - I won´t try to be a hero again.
At least I lived, unlike 100s of others.....
Enjoy your evening,
Barchettaman
How to respond to loony driver? - Dalglish
I can seriously recommend not getting into any situation that might result in similar.


to add to the kenneth noye episode referred to above, plus barchettaman's experience, read these recent stories (transport related) - one from just yesterday

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6515351.stm
Police investigating the death of a man stabbed at a bus stop in east London have arrested a man.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_count...m
A retired consultant engineer has been cleared of killing another driver in a row over queue-jumping at a council rubbish tip in Surrey.

How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
The maniacs will continue to drive in a dangerous manner until there is a possibility that their actions will be observed by uniformed constables in vehicles or on foot.
How to respond to loony driver? - Citroënian {P}
>>The maniacs will continue to drive in a dangerous manner until there is a possibility that their actions will be observed by uniformed constables in vehicles or on foot.

I'm with that 100%

Said it before, but drive at 34mph and you'll likely get snapped. Drive on the wrong side of the road, up someone's back bumper, be as aggressive as you like and there's pretty much no chance of getting caught. Not the police's fault, they're being set targets, but standards are going down and down and down the pan.
-- He\'s a cheeky wind-up scamster and he\'s on the radio....
How to respond to loony driver? - Aprilia
>>Not the police's fault, they're being set targets, but standards are going down and down and down the pan.

I actually think it IS the police's fault - I don't understand why it isn't. The constant refrain that its all somehow the governments fault is just not valid. Almost everybody who works has targets to meet - doctors, teachers, salesmen. Somehow it seems to be a problem that the police are set targets.
The police force has an sickness and absenteeism rate way beyond most other sectors (public and private). They also get a benefits and pensions package well beyond the expectations of most other workers. I think it is about time they delivered.
How to respond to loony driver? - Leif
I actually think it IS the police's fault - I don't
understand why it isn't. The constant refrain that its all
somehow the governments fault is just not valid. Almost everybody
who works has targets to meet - doctors, teachers, salesmen.
Somehow it seems to be a problem that the police are
set targets.
The police force has an sickness and absenteeism rate way beyond
most other sectors (public and private). They also get a
benefits and pensions package well beyond the expectations of most other
workers. I think it is about time they delivered.



The higher sickness and absentee rate might be due to the nature of the work? Visiting a crash scene minutes after it has occurred and having to deal with mangled bodies? Having to stand up to a group of drunk thugs at closing time? I know some of it is pretty easy, but I imagine it can be unpleasant.

I think the good pension package is characteristic of the public sector not just the police. My late mother retired from nursing on a rather good pension. And of course our illustrious Members (of Parliament) get an amazing pension package. Voted for by themselves. How selfless of them.

Actually I do think it is the fault of the management, be that senior coppers, or government. Not everyone works to targets. I don't. Never have done. And targets distort delivery, because you always achieve targets, by fiddling if need be. I have heard some people on R4 claiming to be coppers saying that they target easy crimes because they can be cleared up to improve the stats, and ignoring more serious but tougher crimes. I presume this is reliable testimony. A recent R4 interview was with a senior medic (I think it was Desert Island Disks) who said that the current government had imposed so many new schemes and targets on the NHS that they are in a complete mess.
How to respond to loony driver? - Pugugly {P}
"The police force has an sickness and absenteeism rate way beyond most other sectors (public and private). They also get a benefits and pensions package well beyond the expectations of most other workers. I think it is about time they delivered"

Aprilla

I very rarely disagree with you on anything but....

Police Absenteeism has slumped in the last few years due to changes in the way sickness is managed, reducing sickness absence is actually an er....target ! Talking to Officers now it is apparent that changes in processes have reduced the "sickie", Officer sickness is tracked and the ill-health retirements have now become very, very rare. Example last night, 48 year old 28 year service Officer last night's shift hasn't been off sick in 10 years (and was rightly proud of it) despite being in a physically demanding 24/7 role - how many 9-5ers here can claim that ! - I can't !

The reason they get a "better" package than other workers are twofold, one is they pay higher pension contributions than other workers (although this has now changed for new entrants) and they are expected to put their health "on the line" to a far greater extent than most other classes of workers, their whole Pension arrangement was designed to support Officers and families in the event of a disabling injury or death happening whilst serving the communities they work in (yes they still actually do that - I have evidence !). I believe that most Officers (of all ranks) actually do deliver in my area - the oft wheeled out mantras on this site of targets and leadership are generally clichéd. I Spent most of Friday and Saturday evenings in two very busy Custody units, I come across true enthusiasm despite Government policies (of churning out headline grabbing sausage factory legislation) and despite public middle class apathy. Last night for instance between 6.00pm and 1.00am when I finally got home the Market town unit staffed by one Sergeant and a Detention Officer they'd processed 12 Prisoners, these do not walk themselves in off the street. As I have said before if you don't believe me go out there and have a look yourself. You would be shocked for one thing as to how few Officers there are on duty in the Provinces on any given shift. You can't blame the Police for the ills of society - you just can't.
How to respond to loony driver? - Aprilia
All I can say is that I lived next door to a policeman for over ten years. He seemed to spend most of his time cadging stuff & favours off local shopkeepers and businesses. Now and then one of his mates from 'the job' would turn up for a cup of tea and leave the patrol car parked across the end of my drive! He eventually managed to wangle a 'ill health' retirement in his mid-40's and went on to work for a private security company.
Wife's cousin is a local PC and drops on to see us now and then and a mate of mine who used to be an IT tech got bored with that and joined the police about two years ago. So I hear things from that side of it too, and I still think there's a few things that could be sorted out. I spend quite a bit of time in Germany and the police force over there are incredibly efficient and responsive. Maybe one or two of our Chief Constables could undertake a fact finding mission?
I'm not disputing that there are not excellent police officers and also that there are some tough and unpleasant aspects to the job, however (despite the general attitude of this site) I have to say that there are other less well rewarded jobs that are also tough - firefighters, paramedics and inner city school teachers come to mind!
How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
">You would be shocked for one thing as to how few Officers there are on duty in the Provinces on any given shift.<"

And isn't that a major part of the problem?

I tend to look at these issues with a wider view. I pay a lot of money in tax each year to the authorities, I see that as part of my contribution to a civilised society, I'm more than happy to pay taxes if the money is used wisely and efficiently. So when I read that drug dealers operate in broad daylight and it takes a community worker to deal with the problem (and he got stabbed for his efforts), why does some of my tax money go towards paying a parasite to watch CCTV images of people parking on yellow lines? It gets me very annoyed, I'm not interested in excuses from the authorities, they take my money, I want (amongst other things) uniformed officers on the beat, not really interested in feeble excuses about lack of funding, I've worked as a contractor for various police forces, lack of money is not a problem when it comes to, for example, furnishing offices in police buildings. The biggest problem with the UK police service is the lack of direction from the top, IMHO, senior and middle management do not have a clue how to deal with the public, they are too busy looking upwards and downwards within their own little empires. This was amply demonstrated by the refusal to merge with adjacent forces a couple of years ago. The current forces were originally arranged in 1974 IIRC, now is a good time to strip out the excess layers of middle and upper management (BTW, same applies to MOD and NHS)

I wonder what percentage of the current police force are on the street at any one time?

I must go and lie down now.



How to respond to loony driver? - L'escargot
"The police force has an sickness and absenteeism rate way beyond
most other sectors (public and private)."

"They also get a benefits
and pensions package well beyond the expectations of most other workers.
I think it is about time they delivered"

I agree on both counts.
The reason they get a "better" package than other workers
are twofold, one is they pay higher pension contributions than other
workers .......


My pension was limited by Inland Revenue (now called HM Revenue and Customs) rules and not by the rules of my employer's scheme nor the amount of contributions I had paid. In fact I paid AVCs to the point that I was (by choice) overfunded at retirement. The HM R & C rules applied to the police, armed forces, and MPs etc pensions are far more generous than those applied to private sector workers.
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L\'escargot.
How to respond to loony driver? - P3t3r
The thing is these people will one day kill somebody, possibly even you, unless something is done. Not only that, but other people will also copy him. Although having said that I would think twice about saying something. I have learnt from some road rage experiences that you should just keep away. Some people will want to kill you for no reason at all!
How to respond to loony driver? - Dalglish

oh well, it didn't take too long to turn this thread in to a lefty pro-labour, anti-police rant. up the workers. down with the ruling classes and masons.

How to respond to loony driver? - OldSkoOL
The best thing you can do is stay out of their way; especially if the crazy drivers are in dodgy old cars that probably have no insurance - young boy racers in their saxos / novas etc are the worst. If they are obviously stupid enought to break the limit by driving so dangerously then they are probably totally incapable of reasoning / appologising or realising what could of happening to them or to others. To put it very simply - he probably didnt care what anyone else thought and some people can be violent.

One day he will get caught out - lets hope the police get him first before he injures or kills anyone.
How to respond to loony driver? - Pugugly {P}
...what amazes me that seemingly sensible suburban man is quite capable of turning into a thug at very short notice, dealt with a public order case where a Mr Normal had unleashed a torrent of abuse at public servant (not Police) demonstrating in one frightening minute why society is breaking down, he did this in front of his children and there my friends is the rub !

And tell me how do you defend a 25 year old Primary School teacher arrested for being drunk and disorderly, his actions and "verbals" caught on CCTV, no better than a drunken yob !

How to respond to loony driver? - Dalglish
... And tell me how do you defend a 25 year old Primary School teacher arrested


therein lies the reason for lawyers being one of the professions the public love ............ to hate ! :: ;- ::
( in good company with politicians, estate agents and journalists - all well known for their unquestioned utter honesty. )
How to respond to loony driver? - Dalglish
.... all well known for their unquestioned utter honesty.


:: ;-) :: not to mention the car trade - which is why our host here needs the title "honestjohn" !

How to respond to loony driver? - No FM2R
>>what amazes me that seemingly sensible suburban man is quite capable of turning into a thug at very short notice

You're so right. I was coming out of London the other day in a Galaxy with 5 kids in it. I went to move into the "fast" lane as another car from behind and the "slow" lane tried to beat me to it. He leant on the horn, he was driving a newish Subaru estate or similar, and obviously so much more needy than me that I moved back into the middle lane. He then pulled up next to me, leaning across his car gesticulating and waving his fist and pointing obviously desperately wanting a fight.

Except he was about 60 - 70 years old, very small and certainly a great deal smaller than me (and I'm fit rather than fat), and, by appearances anyway, a fairly well-to-do and respectable sort of chap, more like I'm used to seeing down the golf club. If I had pulled over for a fight he would have got slaughtered. What on earth was in his mind ??? And don't tell me he might have had a gun / knife / LAWS rocket, so might I have done for all he knew, and I look much more like the violent type than him.

I truly do not understand what comes over some people. I don't understand why it matters so much, I don't understand why otherwise seemingly decent people become aggressive, and I don't know why people risk their life in such a fashion - because risking your life you surely are.

Driving is just not that important.

Imagine trying to explain to your daughter that you were beaten up, stabbed, shot, killed etc. because another man wanted to be in front of you and you decided to fight him.

Imagine trying to explain to your son why you are threatening and screaming foul mothed abuse at the man in front of you just because he cut in front of you.

Some of you need to read Lord of the Flies and think about it.

To those of you who do it, a simple question; Why ?
How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
SNIP - This and the rest of the heckling removed - DD
How to respond to loony driver? - Big Bad Dave
"To those of you who do it, a simple question; Why ?"

Simple question but I reckon the answer is incredibly complex. I ask myself how can a big, rational bloke like me be frightened of house spiders. I've no idea but I suspect the answer predates back hundreds of thousands of years to a time when my ancestors probably had good reason to fear certain kinds of spiders and my own fear is an inherent hand-me-down or leftover. With motoring issues though, there is no distant precursor to explain our behaviour, yet all around the world men and women display the same patterns of aggressive interaction on the roads. As you say "I truly do not understand", certainly in my case, why I get such an urge to defend the piece of road in front of me, or why it bothers me that someone has gained a place in the queue etc. etc. although muttering under my breath is normally as far as I take it. I guess it must be something territorial, I don't know, these are just my armchair thoughts.

Similarly, I often wonder why men like to do wheelspins. I certainly do from time to time and I really can't explain why or what basic, desperate masculine need is being fullfilled. I mean, it just looks ridiculous to passers by doesn't it. Perhaps deep in my subconcious, I believe that it's a good way to attract a mate and that the tyre squeal and length of burnt rubber might say something to her about what good breeding stock I am. Yet when I do it to impress my wife, she just tuts and rolls her eyes.
How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
"> ....me be frightened of house spiders. <"

That's your effeminate side Dave, are you in touch with it?
How to respond to loony driver? - Leif
Like you I would have said something as that sort of driving is grossly irresponsible. I recently had a polite word with a young man in a fast car who had in my opinion been driving dangerously, I I told him so, politely. I was on foot, and could have run away had he turned nasty as I am very fit, but to be honest the idea of violence never occurred to me. It turned out he was a pleasant lad, just a bit daft. I take the attitude that we must stand up to bad behaviour and not be intimidated into submission. I think if more people did that, it would be a better world. (A copper once told me off for cycling at night without lights. He said I would end up dead. It had the desired effect. I bought lights.) But a colleague was tailgated in Staines. He stopped and got out to ask the other driver what was the problem, and he was beaten up. The men were a criminal gang and the car was stolen, according to the police later.

I guess aggression is not uncommon but I prefer to stand my ground. And I was once in a phone box in Brixton, and a car pulled up, a man got out, walked up to the phone box, opened the door and said "Got out. I have a phone call to make." I stayed put. Wise? Who knows. I used to ice skate at the Streatham ice rink, where a person was recently stabbed to death. The place was full of little kids who would cause trouble. On one occasion I was thrown off balance by one of them, went down, and was verbally abused. He then followed me around, and when I asked what his problem was, he threw a punch at me, in front of an attendant. I guess the way you respond must depend on the area, as some are notoriously bad.
How to respond to loony driver? - L'escargot
On my way to our local tip this morning on a
30mph road near our town centre, I and others were amazed
to be overtaken by a prat in a 4x4 doing around
double the limit.


Since it didn't damage you or your car you should have just ignored it. Learn to chill out. It's up to the authorities to reprimand erring drivers.
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How to respond to loony driver? - Cliff Pope
Good to see him doing his bit for the environment, and responsibily using the council's recycling facilities.
How to respond to loony driver? - ajsdoc
If it's anything like our recycling depot - hundreds of people in huge 4x4s recycling a couple of cans and their wine bottles. I think the recycling may appease their consciences from driving such huge gas-guzzling machines used for nothing more than to make a fashion statement.
How to respond to loony driver? - L'escargot
Read what Paul Ripley says under the heading "Annoying agression; ...................." tinyurl.com/2vvjkd

"It is always interesting to read about what annoys motorists and what turns them into judge and jury behind the wheel. Complaints about other people fill many of the letters I receive, yet few seem to consider a more forgiving and compassionate outlook towards their fellow road users.advertisement
My advice to people who drive around with numerous "pet driving hates" in their head is to get to grips with this attitude straight away, as the root cause of the problem is usually self-inflicted. The drivers who make the errors you describe might simply be less than accomplished, unthinking or merely distracted, and you should not be surprised to encounter them. Does it never occur to you that your own driving might occasionally leave something to be desired? Is it not the case that your annoyance is itself a symptom of aggression?

Get your own act together. Think more about your behaviour, rather than that of your fellow road users. The same goes for your detailed opinion of their driving. All that matters is your performance, which requires every observational and planning skill at your disposal to ensure safety.

You are unable to fully control the behaviour of others, much less make them change their ways, so why get upset about it? Caring about driving standards should mean increasing your tolerance of other people's mistakes and keeping your thoughts and actions focused on the safety of yourself, your passengers and all other road users, whether they be good, bad or indifferent.

Above all, safety demands a safe attitude. Don't waste important mental capacity in considering what, in your opinion, other drivers should be doing or not doing; relax and acknowledge that other people have faults, just as you do. If you are more relaxed, it will benefit you and everyone else in equal measure."


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How to respond to loony driver? - TheOilBurner
Totally agree. I read this Taoist philosophy a while back and find that helps too.

tinyurl.com/2exc5j

Now, whenever I see something annoying or frustrating, I try to think to myself "empty boat". Doesn't always stop me losing my temper pointlessly, but it helps.

As Mr Ripley points out above, chances are, the example of poor driving you've just seen doesn't mean that person is always so bad, and just because your own driving is generally good, doesn't mean you don't do daft things yourself. He without sin and all that?
How to respond to loony driver? - Lud
Escargot and OilBurner, A++.

When I was stomping around cursing incoherently about nothing much my youngest daughter used to peer at me through her sweet little spectacles and say: 'Om, Dad.'

Nearly always made me laugh.
How to respond to loony driver? - Leif
L'escargot.: Sensible advice from Ripley and I think he is right that most of can at times be rather self righteous and ignore our own failings. But with respect the original poster was not referring to minor driving errors. If I understand correctly, the 4x4 was doing 60 in a 30. Surely that is gross negligence? (Okay we don't know full details of the road etc. but a 30 limit is most probably present for a reason.)
How to respond to loony driver? - duncansand
Really, really good advice. Lets all just relax. While we're at it, we can stop worrying so much about who should or should not be parking in disabled spaces ;-)
How to respond to loony driver? - Martin Devon
If it's anything like our recycling depot - hundreds of people
in huge 4x4s recycling a couple of cans and their wine
bottles. I think the recycling may appease their consciences from driving
such huge gas-guzzling machines used for nothing more than to make
a fashion statement.

Yes here in North Devon the numpties have indeed become squires. Identified to a man by their purchase of an old jap 4x4. Usually identified by shell suits and puffer, (puffy) jackets and complete ignorance in the lanes. May the scrabbling of a thousand moles infest their........ar!...4x4's And if you haven't spotted one yet look for trainers and they walk at 10 to 2 with their arms so far out you look for the missing rolls of carpet!

Yours in despair..................MD.

Go on then, just one more glass.
How to respond to loony driver? - drbe
>>they walk at
10 to 2 with their arms so far out you look
for the missing rolls of carpet!
Yours in despair..................MD.
Go on then, just one more glass.


I think you have just described President George W Bush!
How to respond to loony driver? - P3t3r
>> On my way to our local tip this morning on
a
>> 30mph road near our town centre, I and others were
amazed
>> to be overtaken by a prat in a 4x4 doing
around
>> double the limit.
Since it didn't damage you or your car you should have
just ignored it. Learn to chill out. It's up
to the authorities to reprimand erring drivers.


Now, where do you draw the line? You suggest getting out if damage has been caused, I'm not convinced that these people will be any friendlier if damage is done. If I was involved in an accident with one of these maniacs I'm not certain whether I would stop (depending on the circumstances). Prevention is better than cure (I think that's the saying), it's better to make these people think before they kill somebody.

If everybody talked at people who drove like idiots I think they would soon stop. This applies to all minor crimes too (eg. antisocial behavior), if somebody drops litter, should you say something or should you keep away incase they want to kill you?

The truth is I really don't know what to do in these situations.
How to respond to loony driver? - TheOilBurner
Isn't the fundamental problem here is that there are two kinds of people that do wrong, those that care and those that don't.

If you lecture the first kind, you're wasting your time because they already knew they've done wrong and would probably not make a habit of that sort of thing.
If you lecture the second kind, it'll be in one ear and out the other, or worse yet violence is sure to follow.

In other words, to lecture somebody is to imply they're too thick to realise that they were doing wrong, well if they are that dumb then what exactly do you hope to achieve?

Relax and let it go, we have the Police for sorting these things out when it does hurt somebody else. Not a perfect system, but it does kind of work, doesn't it?
How to respond to loony driver? - Leif
In other words, to lecture somebody is to imply they're too
thick to realise that they were doing wrong, well if they
are that dumb then what exactly do you hope to achieve?
Relax and let it go, we have the Police for sorting
these things out when it does hurt somebody else. Not
a perfect system, but it does kind of work, doesn't it?


Having a polite word with someone is not lecturing, and with reasonable people it works. But it's important not to be condescending, or patronising, or arrogant, just point out clearly what you think was wrong. I've had a few coppers stop me when cycling, many years ago I might add, and give me some sensible advice, such as "Get some lights or you'll be dead" and it worked. And I've had one or two people tell me if they see a fault on my car such as a blown bulb, which I appreciate. Once or twice when I've made a mistake at the wheel, I've raised my left hand to say 'sorry' and it seems to calm people.

I have often wondered why people get so angry behind the wheel, and I guess that it is partly the high stress life styles we all lead, and partly that we tend to blame others, expecting them to be perfect drivers, and not allowing for their mistake e.g. keep a good distance.

Oddly enough I've met very few short fused maniacs in the workplace, so I guess people must transform once inside their tin shells, much as Clark Kent transformed into Superman. My father used to be like that. An appallingly aggressive and IMO dangerous driver but mild mannered otherwise.
How to respond to loony driver? - L'escargot
You suggest getting
out if damage has been caused .........


I was pointing out that Oz got involved in someone else's problem, to no good purpose.
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How to respond to loony driver? - barney100
Taking the guy to task could end up with serious physical damage and unless you are the size of Arnold S then perhaps discretion is wiser. If you have a go at everyone who cuts you up or tailgates etc then you are going to end up in serious situations. Let one of the thousands of policemen dedicated to the upkeep of law and order deal with it.
How to respond to loony driver? - Pugugly {P}
"Let one of the thousands of policemen dedicated to the upkeep of law and order deal with it"

Ah, the Mantra of middle England ! :-)

Policing is nothing to do with members of soceity, I pay my rates - let someone else do it. Basically that's why we've lost it in this country.
How to respond to loony driver? - TheOilBurner
Not true. That's the hallmark of a civilised society. Take away the Police and the individual becomes judge, jury and executioner.

Is that the kind of anarchy you would prefer?

The only way it would work for everyone to chide and discipline others is if they can be sure they are right and the other party is wrong. Patently, that is not the case, hence an independent third party to decide for us: the law.

Just check out the other thread on speeding coaches. The Poster there would have the driver punished for speeding, but what accurate means of measuring the coach drivers speed did they have? None. Chances are, their anger was misplaced, it was the car driver who was travelling below the speed limit (at an indicated 70) and the coach was travelling at a genuine 70, as the law allows. However, I'm digressing here...
How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
">I pay my rates - let someone else do it. <"

Far from it, I've intervened on a couple of occasions over the years in vain attempts to keep the peace. The support I subsequently received from the authorities was non-existent, so I won't put myself at risk again in a hurry. I suspect that Middle England would still show strong support for the police (and the authorities) if the police (and the authorities) showed support for Middle England by upholding law and order and keeping the peace. Which is what they are paid to do.

I want to know what the authorities, including the police, do with my tax money.

It's the legal profession who are the real cause of the problems ;-)
How to respond to loony driver? - Fullchat
Just watch some of the 'fly on the wall' documentaries for an insight of what the Police face on the streets especially on Friday and Saturday nights - drunken,violent, spewing mindless idiots. Thats where Police resources are directed and thats where your tax money is going. Not to mention the health service.
The government introduce 24 hour licencing, and local authorities approve more and more establishments to serve up the stuff. We really have got it all wrong!
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How to respond to loony driver? - Micky
">drunken,violent, spewing mindless idiots. <"

The delights of a free society. Freedom for people to binge drink. I like the odd snifter, but then I see the damage it does to society (no, not the damage caused by my indulgence in a snifter, that would be silly). Prohibition doesn't work, but what will? Even the younger French elements are now following the example set by the Brits (and Scandinavians)

Why don't Plod use breach of the peace to cart away the more offensive drunks to remote police stations? And then release them when the breach has ceased?
How to respond to loony driver? - Leif
especially on Friday and Saturday nights - drunken,violent, spewing mindless idiots.
Thats where Police resources are directed


And aren't a significant proportion of petty crimes committed in order to get money for illegal drugs?

Is the problem that the police do not catch the criminals, or that there are too many 'criminals'? We seem to have a big problem with drunkenness among the young, and drug addiction. The latter might be solved by decriminalisation, or at least prescribing drugs to the sad cases that are addicted.