Interested in testing and ownership feedback. Noise, comfort, economy, ride, handling etc.
1.6 T spirit and 2.0D4D T3 specially
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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BiL has just ordered a 1400cc diesel Auris, which apparently will arrive next week. Does anyone know anything about that one?
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As an aside, I've seen one or two on the road or parked and thought, initially, that I was looking at the new Yaris. Personally, I find the front treatment of the car a trifle clumsy, gross and plasticky looking - shame really.
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I have to agree with oldgit really (maybe I'm becoming a bit of an old git myself) in that the front end proportions don't look right to me. I was driving past a Toyota dealer the other day and thought then that I have not seen many on the road and usually I see loads of Toyota's round here.
Are they actually on sale yet and being delivered.
Now my comments do not really help TVM but I would just say that whilst Toyota generally have a good reliability record overall - more recently they have had a lot of recalls and from experience I would not buy another.
But I think you will have a lot less problems than with the Touran - IMO.
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>>> I would just say that whilst Toyota generally have a good reliability record overall - more recently they have had a lot of recalls and from experience I would not buy another.
Always buy facelifted and you'll be OK.
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Free enterprise is the basis of western economy.
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That is a very good point vincent - especially Jap facelifted as they do fix problems properly when they are idnetified or even extend warranty to 5 years which Toyota and Honda have done alot.
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The Auris isn;t the only Japanese car to be slated for 'plasticky' interiors (although as they're made of plastic, I can't see that 'plasticky' is all that adverse a comment!).
I think it's Aprilia who has pointed out that the Japanese build as much quality as they need to into the interiors (enough for no rattles and nothing falling off) and spend proportionately more on the oily bits, so that they don't go wrong.
Your Touran will look better inside than an Auris (or the VW's equivalent, the Verso) but a Toyota would probably have given you fewer problems. That said, I had a Golf estate that never missed a beat in nearly 3 years.
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I noticed TVM that you can get a 2 day test drive with the Auris - that may help in your decision makig process.
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if its new dont buy a T3 get a TR special
T3 is aimed at fleets
maybe T3 ok if prereg
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if its new dont buy a T3 get a TR special T3 is aimed at fleets
Indeed, hence its cheap on my fleet list. T3 heavily discounted for fleets it seems,
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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My lease company provides three day tests..... even more useful.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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My BiL took delivery yesterday of a 1400cc non-turbo (he says) diesel example, 98 bhp, and came by in it for a little urban pootle.
Audibly a diesel but quite quiet and refined, and perhaps will become more so. One would hope it would go silent at open-road speeds, but perhaps - remembering a Toyota I went to the Lake District in a year or so back - Toyotas are just gruff. A feeling of great solidity, which the appearance - nice dark metallic grey gunmetally sort of colour - also seems to suggest.
Mk II Astra and first Sierra were both called 'jelly-mould' cars when they appeared, because of the nature of their curves. The Auris looks to me more exactly like a jelly-mould, looking almost as tall as it is long and having body pressings that suggest jelly-mould turrets. You feel it would fit perfectly into a cube-shaped box.
These proportions probably have something to do with BiL's reasons for buying it. He has a long, often afflicted back and short legs, so needs plenty of headroom which the Auris has. He also said that it's good for getting in and out of - he complained that he has to climb out of a C4 for example, whereas he can just step out of the Auris.
His example is fitted with a modern sort of autobox, 5 speed, with manual override either by lever or paddles. He said auto mode was fine so far. Judging by a squeak on power take-up on one occasion, it's an efficient electric clutch arrangement, not a slush pump. The dashboard computer claimed the car was averaging 45mpg so far (all in London, hardly 25 miles on the clock). But 139 gm/km so not free taxwise.
Not for me really, especially at £15K, but if it holds together properly good for him I'm sure.
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Not sure you can get 90bhp out of a 1.4 diesel without a turbo.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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That's what I thought TVM, but apparently with modern CR design it is possible. Unless my BiL, who is very clued up about cars, is wrong. I asked if he had had a look for a turbo under the bonnet, and he said you can't see anything. I said yes, but can't you take all the plastic carp off the top, or peer underneath? He said he would in the fullness of time. All I can say is that the C4 110 turbodiesel was much quieter than this, and I think that is because of the turbo. The Auris didn't sound as if it had a turbo. But what do I know?
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I thought all modern diesels had turbos - for emissions reasons.
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My BiL took delivery yesterday of a 1400cc non-turbo (he says) diesel example, 98 bhp, and came by in it for a little urban pootle. >> His example is fitted with a modern sort of autobox, 5 speed, with manual override either by lever or paddles. He said auto mode was fine so far. >>
According to What Car? the auto is only available on the 1.6 petrol!
They must be wrong.
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They certainly are wrong. TVM was right, the 1.4 diesel is 89 bhp not 98 as I mistakenly thought.
I have looked at HJ's road test and the Toyota website and there is no mention of a turbocharger anywhere. Of course Toyota speak only to the 'consumer', not the car person, but I wd have expected HJ to give the details.
Do we assume as boxsterboy suggests that all CR diesels are turboed, and experts now think it goes without saying? Or is the Auris non-turbo?
If it had been daylight when my BiL came by we might have had a look, but it was dark so we didn't.
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All modern diesels are turbocharged, as far as I'm aware, and the 3 diesel engines in the Auris certainly are. It's just that they've stopped specifically mentioning it, because it's universal.
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Saw my first Auris on the road this afternoon. Couldn't help thinking it looked like a Corolla with a major ice cream habit - the back end (as seen from the front quarter as it rounded a roundabout) looks more lardy than muscular. Certainly not a thing of feline grace and litheness!
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Just spoke to BiL. He went to Brighton and back today via M25 from somewhere near Wembley. Says car is now claiming to have averaged 61mpg, and fuel level hasn't gone down much (although of course like everyone else he knows what a snare and delusion fuel gauges can be).
He says that peering between the plastic cover and the side of the engine compartment he can see that there's a large component attached to the exhaust manifold or downpipe, but it looks like a box rather than a snail. Perhaps the turbo is inside a box.
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