I guess that's an indicated 60 on your speed ?
so more likely to be about 55 really - so you might JUST be inside the limit at which they will prosecute.
Let's hope so anyway
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I wonder what speed tolerance and time delay is built in to variable speed limit enforcement.
In the newly VSL enabled section of M42 on Wednesday, I was right upon a gantry displaying 60, with exactly 60 shown on the GPS, when it switched to 50. I passed underneath the gaze of the cameras on the reverse side still doing 60. One hopes there is indeed time to react built in to the system.
As an aside, albeit aided by using the hard shoulder as an extra lane to increase flow rate at times of congestion, I find the VSL idea to be a huge improvement on before. Peak time journeys are far less stressful and the traffic keeps flowing to a much greater degree. I haven't (yet) heard of a problem caused by relying on safety laybys instead of a continuous hard shoulder, either.
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www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/Endo...0
Must remain for four years on the licence for SP30 from the above- unless anyone can interpret differently?
Hoping that I can cleanse my license this year.
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Ok cool it guys. Just wait the 14 days and see if you gaet a NIP. Notice of Intention to Prosecute. If nothing arrived by day 16 then there is no proplem, that is assuming it is your car not a least or company car car in which case several weeks may pass. Ignore these 5 year comments. Points count for 3 years for totting up, four years on your licence, they can then be removed for a fee but the insurance use them for at least 5 years to potentially extract money form you. Many companies do not raise premiums for 3 points only 6 point point or more for Sp30 type speeding offences. Forget it for now sleep well and lets see what happens. Regards Peter
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Two weeks gone friday, not had the NIP yet, begining to think they must have been on their teabreak when I went speeding past the detector van ;-).
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Tsk.
Time to get your speedometer properly calibrated mal. You weren't speeding at all, just dawdling.
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Cheers for all the info, don't feel so bad about it now.
Just a thought .........."clutching at straws"................. I was in the outside of two lanes, speed van was on the verge to my left, I may have been overtaking cars on the inside lane, not sure as my memory went blank at the shock of reading the side of the van. Would there be a chance he/she was not aiming at me ?.
How long does it take for the bad news to drop in my letterbox and what does the letter look like ?.
Just as well I stuck to 50 on the way back as they had moved over the road from the southbound to the northbound to catch the rush hour traffic !!.
Regards and thanks, Mal.
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Cheers Peter, missed your post in the time I was logged on reply.
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I'm inclined to agree with SteVee: if your speedo really was showing 60, it seems unlikely your actual speed was more than 56 or so, which, if the 10%+2 mythology is correct (as a magistrate friend has assured me it is) isn't likely to trigger any action.
OTOH, I do wonder about some of these devices. There's a stretch of road on the edge of town here where the limit has recently been reduced - reasonably, I think, since it's populated - from 40 to 30. No cameras but several of the light-up 'Slow down - 30' signs. I find I can trigger these with my speedo showing no more than 32 and probably 31 (parallax and 2mph gradations make it hard to be sure); one of them even seems to light up at an indicated 29.
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If the worst comes to the worst then £60 fine, 3 points.
The can be used for totting up for three years.
They expire in four years and can be removed if you want to pay for a new licence.
Insurance companies normally ask for points in the last five years.
So long as you're "over 21 then all the insurers I've been with don't bat an eyelid or bump the premium up for 3 speeding points.
Martin
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>>>I'm inclined to agree with SteVee: if your speedo really was showing 60, it seems unlikely your actual speed was more than 56 or so, which, if the 10%+2 mythology is correct (as a magistrate friend has assured me it is) isn't likely to trigger any action.<<<
I''m feeling even better now, but with reservations :-)
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Commiserations, Mal. Like you, I was 'done' for the first time in 35 years about 6 years ago. I was caught doing 41 mph in a 30 mph limit. (2 policemen hiding behind a wall with a gun) The road was straight, clear and not a sign of children etc around. I didn't even realise it was a '30' because the other end of that particular town was a '40' - Not that that's any excuse.
At that time, it was 3 penalty points and a £40 fine, which I paid within half an hour. That was all I ever heard about it, but if course it stuck on my licence for 5 years (still there, in fact - must get it renewed!)
The biggest nuisance is insurance - every year they ask you 'Any convictions?' and you have to be honest and confess. Whether or not it hikes up the premium, I'm not sure, but I suspect they do.
I'm not certain, but having penalty points might also prevent you hiring a car fom some companies.
It's hard lines after a long unblemished record and you don't half keep your eye on that speedo for years to come! What annoys me, however, is those drivers who pass you (dangerously) exceeding the speed limit - or those who leave a trail of 'near misses' in their wake through sheer stupidity and carelessness. They always seem to get off scot free. Speed, in itself - even 'over the limit' - is not necessarily dangerous, provided the driver is in good control of the vehicle and exercising sensible observation of the prevailing conditions. A good driver would know perfectly well when 40 mph in a '30' is safe - he would also know when 20mph in a '30' is too fast.
Graeme
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Commiserations, Mal. (2 policemen hiding behind a wall with a gun)
Congratulations on your survival. Just as well they weren't trained firearms officers.
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The ACPO guidelines allow 10% + 2mph over the limit.
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They are only guidelines and quite old. There are now many prosecutions for doing 75 on a motorway so 10% plus 2 is out of the window. Regards Peter
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Even if it does result in a penalty (and remember it's a penalty, not a conviction) then just think of it as a yellow card. In fact think of it as a yellow card, even if you don't get the penalty, and be a little more observant of speed limits.
As long as you don't average more than 1 per year, then you don't have a problem.
If your insurance company loads the premium for speeding penalties then switch company's. Liverpool Victoria is a very good insurance company and they don't even require to be told, unless you get banned for a single incident.
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I am already reacting to what has happened, the only problem is having impatient drivers eager to pass me !!.
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Get a Tomtom and download the camera updates..........includes the camera van sites, because they're all 'risked assessed' and published as potential accident spots.
has saved me 100% on at least 2 occasions.........i wouldn't have been much over, but that's the scameras for you, you don't need to me
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"Get a Tomtom and download the camera updates..........includes the camera van sites, because they're all 'risked assessed' and published as potential accident spots"
Still be careful - Police can still set up where they like - and they do.
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I have a Garmin with the latest camera data downoaded, it's just that I have often passed the same roadworks with lots of warnings and this is the first time in 3 months that I have seen a camera there................just did not see it in time :-( .
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I know how you feel - on Monday I pased a camera van doing 46 (GPS) in a 40. Was possibly 'covered' by other cars in the inside lane - only 9 days to go I suppose. It does make you slow down however in the future.....
Steve
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the 14 day finger nail bite is not very nice is it
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Leave your finger nails alone.
It'll only be 60 and 3 at worst. Much more likely nothing will happen. Stop worrying until the letter arrives. And when it does, just pay up. Boast about it at work.
We all have to lose our virginity sooner or later, as a friend said to me in the sixties after rolling his Renault ... what was the thing called, rear engine, used by the first London minicab company, usually maroon - three times in Ghana.
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No, not the Dauphine - Renault 8?
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Thanks chaps. Dauphine. Bad oversteerer. I have to say though that the person in question was very good at oversteer. Must have been those dirt roads in Ghana.
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Sorry Manatee. I admit there's only one of you.
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Yes, I was arguing with myself as usual - I've just looked them up - both rear engined, and both produced in the 60s, with the 8/10 effectively replacing the Dauphine.
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Leave your finger nails alone. It'll only be 60 and 3 at worst. Much more likely nothing will happen. Stop worrying until the letter arrives. And when it does, just pay up. Boast about it at work.
We have a fixed speed camera outside our work, in yellow, highly visible etc. Colleague got done by it the other week - despite it being there for 5 years, and her driving past it every day..........
When questioned about why............."my mind was on other things"..........then her husband also got done by it a week later.................wierd............perhaps it just became part of the street furniture and ignored............
Steve
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I have a Garmin with the latest camera data downoaded, it's just that I have often passed the same roadworks with lots of warnings and this is the first time in 3 months that I have seen a camera there................just did not see it in time :-( .
I know where you're coming from, you can get complacent.........
and.... my most common problem is going up the M6, up past Carlisle when the traffic lightens........there will be a queue of cars doing a similar speed........whenever the Satnav gives me a warning and I turn 'cruise' off and look for the potential camera van, everyone else thinks i'm driving like a numpty and am unwilling/incapable of keeping a constant speed, because 10 seconds later i'm back on cruise at the same speed again.
If you've just passed someone and they pull out behind you, it can be awkward to slow down.
maybe there needs to be a bumper sticker with 'I slow down for satnav speed camera warnings'
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'and what does the letter look like?'
sort of rectangular with your name all over it.
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Two weeks today and the dreaded letter has still not popped through my letterbox yet .
Will probably see it on Monday :-((
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If you're that bothered you can have mine!
MD
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