Give you a laugh over the weekend:
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Maybe it's time the 'Great' was removed from ' Great Britain'. We are completely insane to let this happen. They should be punished and deported.
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It's extraordinairy & amazingly short sighted, imo. Obviously the old adage 'a stitch in time saves nine' has no place in their lexicon If , as reported, the Polce division or constabulary in question are reacting to previous criticisms of frivolous or non cost effective policing (with regard to judicial procedural and/or possible detainment costs) it's looks more like a toys-out-of-pram reaction, rather than a grown-up acceptance of criticism along the lines of ' Well, we should perhaps stop prosecuting kids with naughty words on their skateboards & but still go for vandals, foreign or otherwise, it's fair cop..'
Maybe the words 'sense' & 'common' have been omitted from police and/or CPS prosecution guidelines.
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and they wonder why more and more people take the law into their own hands.
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Sadly its those who do who the police then prosecute
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"both unemployed foreign nationals with no income"
How do they survive here? How do they get food, accommodation etc?
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Phil
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By working cash in hand or thieving
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Who's running all these very cheap 'hand car washes' then? Foreign casual labour paid cash. The black market in cheap labour can take everyone that can make it to the UK - about time there was a big crackdown.
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very true. aparently a lot of money laundering goes on with these car wash set ups
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True, nearly a year on from SWMBO's car being scratched on CCTV. The police have not asked for the tape yet!
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The police use the no money so wont prosecute excuse with travelers also.
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If our Chief Constables were elected (as in US), I suspect a number would not last more than 1 term..
And if the Home Secretary was doing his job...
But it's all OT I'm afraid.
I have to publicly advise I have a major and pathological fear of burglars and keep a cricket bat to defend me..as I am sure all burglars carry knifes.
madf
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"Who's running all these very cheap 'hand car washes' then? Foreign casual labour paid cash. The black market in cheap labour can take everyone that can make it to the UK - about time there was a big crackdown."
Couldn't agree more. There must be hundreds of thousands of British graduates who dream of working in car washes for chicken feed but are being pushed into IT jobs, marketing, teaching, health care, police or estate agents. Of course what would make backroomers really happy is when all the black market or Eastern European labour is replaced with kosher home-grown and the car wash that you complained about charging a fiver now has to charge twenty quid to cover the minimum wage, insurance, pension scheme, and NI contributions. Only it now takes twice as long cos Daryl doesn't know one end of a brush from the other or Kenneth's lost his rubber glove (again) and won't put his hand in the bucket until he's found it. Suits me though, cos all the really good, hard working guys that wre never appreciated are repatriated back to Poland and I can finally get someone to wash my filthy wheels in Warsaw but for one fifty and not the three quid it is at the moment. And the petty crime and the burglaries and the muggings and the knifings to feed the drug habits? Well that stays the same because as any one who walks the streets with their eyes open already knows, surprise surprise it wasn't the immigrants after all. It was you lot.
All that effort you put in to complaining about them, why don't you just try having a drink with them. You might even find that they are fascinating people with wonderful stories to tell, or that the women are loyal and loving and devoted and make far better wives and lovers than those dreary old nagging dragons (me, me, me, I want, I want, I want) on offer in the UK.
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Extract from the linked article:
<...You could say the same about drug addicts. Do we not prosecute them or anyone else because they don't have any money?...>
Err..No, actually 'drug addicts' rarely or never get prosecuted for possession of heroin. I think this is quite sensible because drug users are only harming themselves.
What they do get prosecuted for is acquisitive crime to fund their habit.
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If you read the press report to the end you'll find they were at least cautioned rather than just let off.
IIRC accepting a caution involves admission of guilt and is recorded for CCRB etc purposes. Can one of our resident BiB/ExBiB confirm that?
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Yes, a caution can only be awarded to an adult who is of clean character (at least no cautions for five years and with no similar offences on their record) and is recorded for a period of five years. It doesn't need to be declared as a conviction to an emloyer but will be revealed by an enhanced CRB check. If a similar offence is committed by the same people again, it will show on the PNC and as such they will not be offered the caution and prosecuted in court.
In all likelihood, much the same would happen to anyone (British or not, rich or poor) who committed a similar offence, who admitted it at the police station and who was of clean character.
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Can I point out that the police have lost the power to prosecute. Such decisions now lay in the hands of the CPS. A copper would charge anyone to get a clearup, results make prizes. The CPS is not burdened with such thoughts.
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Without getting mired in the different types of caution/reprimand etc. Yes, a caution does require an admission of guilt. It is not a conviction, but it can be mentioned in court and taken into consideration if convicted of another offence later. The caution will be logged on the police national computer. Crucially, for the police, it gets a tick in the box as a crime clear up. If applying for a job of a certain type, it must be disclosed.
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Typical of this country. What other nation would put up with it?? Meanwhile we all get taxed to death (literally) to pay for it all.
I am proud to be British but the privelige is being diluted by all this budget strapped politically correct nonsense going on......
At the end of the day whenever you watch the news a disproportionate amount of crime is always being caused by people who shouldn't be here in the first place.
Rant over.
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In answer as to where they get money they all receive £129 per week in cash paid out by your friendly social services dept whereas pensioners get a basic £60
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So we all go up the wall when we hear of criminal offences not being punished. . . . .
So why do so many complain when they get a ticket for speeding . . . . . . .
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So why do so many complain when they get a ticket for speeding . . . . . . . >>
It's called hypocrisy ....... and it's rife in the government. So, I guess, we've got the government we deserve!
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I am horrified to hear of the unwelcoming responses to unemployed foreign nationals in this thread.
I for one would be proud to have my possessions vandalised by these needy guests to our sceptr'd isle. Furthermore, we should never question the CPS or the Police. They are there to enforce laws -not uphold justice. I am very happy that they pursue only easy prosecutions rather than those who deserve to be taken into account. I think that we can all be proud. No wonder so many people want to come to live in such a fair and safe nation.
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I often wonder what our friends in other countries think of us. Certainly my french neighbours find it quite odd that the British follow every EU rule to the word, whereas they tend to stick their fingers up at most of the rules. And that's on a polite day.
Personally I think we are rapidly becoming a laughing stock. How can we enforce the laws when we can't even control our borders!
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"How can we enforce the laws when we can't even control our borders! "
You obviously do not understand the rationale of the current lot.
Passing a law solves a problem.
Which is why they keep doing it (passing laws that is).
As for enforcement, wellllll what do you expect. The enforcement lot are not lawyers (or in the case of the CPS only largely second rate ones I believe - apologies to any CPS lawyers!_:) so their pleas for resources are unheeded. remember all the money is psent on refurbishing lawyers offices (the Lord Chancellor for one) so expecting it to be spent on police or prisons is wrong. It must be spent on civil servants and MPs (who have I believe a lot of lwawyers)
As for controlling our borders? You jest... :-((
madf
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For the xenophobes amongst our Back Roomers, just like to point out that crime in the UK was not invented by foreigners entering our country. Anyone who harks back to the days when you could leave your front door open and nothing would get nicked is living in cloud cuckoo land. The majority of crime in my area (be it burglary, theft or car crime) is committed by open mouthed, nasal breathing baseball capped and tracksuited, spotty, feral anglo saxon chavvies.
When I get my train to work every day, my carriage is full of eastern europeans going to work on the building sites as brickies, sparks and chippy's. When I go into my local restaurants and bars, I am served by exotically tongued men and women from one of the eastern bloc countries. Increasingly, there are mechanics and other trades popping up. Most of our car valet services in the area are eastern euro owned. If the unemployment rate is 1.5 million, how are they finding the jobs?
Come on, lets not broad brush, lets not get sucked in by ill considered and intemperate news headlines. Things ain't true just because the "Daily Xenophobe" says it is. "Imports" are easy meat for the lazy rabble rousing journo'.
Sure, there are Albanian people traffikers, sure there is a community of Viets who engage in canabis hydroponics, or Turks engaged in heroin importation, but lets get it in proportion. It's the sort of thing the scribes from the Mail and News of the World thrives on. The vast majority of crime in this country is caused by the indigenous population. Get the facts, don't fall into the trap of fearing the fear.
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When I read all of these points, I see rants against the notion of non-prosecution of people simply because they are no-income aliens. I see no rants at foreigners per se.
Live and let live is I am sure what virtually everyone thinks - but surely we should all be bound by the same laws - we shouldn't shrink from confronting antisocial behaviour because we're afraid of being labelled xenophobes.
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these people weren't prosecuted, but were 'cautioned' a system introduced by the attorney general over a decade ago.....for first time offenders, of more minor crimes, who admit the offence and show remorse....ideal for the drink related offence when normal rational type people act like idiots.
as stated above, a cautioned person gets a temp criminal record, that does not (mostly) have to be disclosed and would not therefore prevent employment or travel plans. It is designed as a last chance to prevent criminalising a 'one off' offence....but... can be quoted if another offence is committed afterwards
this procedure applies to all, whether foreign or not
and is in place to free up court time for more serious offences and be to some degree 'cost effective'.
low level newspapers frequently pick up an issue, report half of it...(the half that suits them)....then.......light the touch paper and stand well back
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Madf, have you any justification for your assertion that the CPS is composed "largely ... [of] second rate [lawyers]"? It's quite a sweeping generalisation and doesn't reflect my knowledge of the North-East criminal justice system.
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Just a side issue which I saw mentioend in the thread - As someone who has to compete will non-tax paying eastern europeans who can do the job for cash at about half what I charge ( and Im by no means the most expensive ), I have to say, while they may be a rival on paper, the sort of people who pay £5 to have their car washed are not the kind of people who would ever pay my prices, so they are not really rivals and good luck to them - I have had to polish back so many cars paintwork due to poor workmanship ( not cleaning sponges/buckets for instance ), they actually do me a favour!
The illegal sites dont last more than 6 months as for a static site you need correct drainage and they seem to get shut down quite quickly so they are never a problem for long.
They arent a really big problem unless they damage your car, which is your lookout :-)
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In answer as to where they get money they all receive £129 per week in cash paid out by your friendly social services dept whereas pensioners get a basic £60
Where does that figure come from? Guaranteed income for pensioners is in order of £120. Income Support for a single person is probably around £50. Both will get help with housing etc but pensioner will do better 'cos of premiums for age/disabiity.
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What annoys people is the fact that there are millions of jobless here already who have a great deal living on a myriad of welfares and benefits who should be doing these basic jobs such as picking strawberries. We should pay a bit more for the strawberries, and less on tax that we pay to keep feral people for years in baseball hats and narcotics..
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It's a short term solution to mask the structural problems in the economy that several Governments have allowed to continue.
It will all end in tears, short term fixes usually do.
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Wow, am I glad I don't live in Norwich. Not only is your car not safe, it seems to be inhabited by people who think the police wasted their time in prosecuting a thug who was harrassing a woman on her property (case 4 at the bottom of the page).
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>>Suits me though, cos all the really good, hard working guys that wre never appreciated are repatriated back to >>Poland and I can finally get someone to wash my filthy wheels in Warsaw but for one fifty and not the three quid >>it is at the moment.
Hahah, BBD, you're an astonishing man in a positive way, that is :)
I'm Polish and never ever been to the UK for tourism or stuff like that, not to mention going there to work as at the moment I'm very well here, thank you. Funny thing is we've got the same situation here with all the former-Soviet-Republic. They serve as a cheap labour. It's the economy people, you can't help it. Just accept it.
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"I'm Polish and never ever been to the UK for tourism or stuff like that, not to mention going there to work"
You don't need to go there to steal UK jobs VdeM. It really makes me laugh when they complain about a few immigrants taking crappy car-washing or cherry picking jobs that nobody wants anyway. Come and drink with me in any major hotel bar any evening of any week and I'll introduce to a handful of British businessmen who are pulling millions of pounds of business a week from under the feet of UK manufacturing. Know of any major UK publishing houses using UK printers? Thought not. It's quicker and cheaper to get it turned around in the Singapore or the Eastern Bloc. Poland's biggest printing house, Wynkowski, is at capacity with UK work. Bauer are printing UK weekly magazines in Poland. Can you imagine that? It's actually quicker and cheaper to use a supplier across an ocean and 1000 miles away to distribute a WEEKLY magazine. And they're currently in the process of constructing another printing house, rumoured to be the mother of all printing houses. I know UK design agencies that are setting up here, having a Polish office to do the bread and butter stuff. These are jobs that could and should remain in the UK but they can't compete, partly because of the cost of labour but mostly because they can't build large printing plants close enough to London because the cost of real estate ruins the economics.
So while they sit in their tiny little draughty houses with their original, yes, original sash windows and Laura Ashley bedding, congratulating themselves on being property millionaires, Eastern Europe is modernising and growing. Take a good look at Warsaw when you next drive through VdeM, can you believe how much construction is going on. Astounding. Nothing short of a stratospheric lottery win or the discovery of a long lost love child would get me back into the UK as much as I love it.
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So if it's so rosey in Poland, why do a lot of Poles want to come to England and do crap jobs?
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Because three years' UK money can build them a beautiful detatched home with 1000 square metres of land 50 km from Warsaw
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Even working as a simple physical workforce / labour ?
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