I hope he wasa watching his mirrors for possible overtaking traffic. :-)
JH
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I came across the word 'mimser' in the same context in a magazine from the early 1950s. Not much progress since then eh?
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It's a word I use in honour of the late LJK who would regularly rant about mimsers. As far as I am aware, I am the only living person to continue using the word. Good. ;-)
Perhaps "dawdler" is a better description?
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He was a master (Dave Jefferies) and sadly missed - cracking video though.
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From the two minutes I've watched (and that was enough) he seemed to be doing a lot of presuming that others he was gaining on very rapidly were 1) going to see him, and 2) going to give him some room. Not what I'd call a masterclass, unless the subject is how to frighten the life out of others. Even if you'd just looked in your rear view mirrors he would have appeared from nowhere within a few seconds. Idiot.
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The word mimser is not in my Yorkshire-English dictionary (yes, honestly. ISBN 0-902920-73-1) and I thought Dave Jefferies came from my part of the world.
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Happy New Year Peter :-)
Mad Sunday over the mountain: think of it as a trackday on closed roads. The clues are at the start and finish of the video.
It's Bray Hill that scares me completely silly, I cannot see a racing line, either in real life or viewing onbike videos, it's just houses. The crowds were generally stunned into silence when Jefferies descended Bray Hill under race conditions.
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Bray Hill - there was talk of a memorial being placed there for him, did it ever happen ?
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Bray Hill - there was talk of a memorial being placed there for him, did it ever happen ?
Not as far as I am aware. Perhaps this year? The IOM is a fearsome place to ride, let alone race. Jefferies appeared to have mastered the circuit as far as any man could, but oil and possibly a marshall's vehicle demonstrated that the Island is very unforgiving.
McGuinness now has the same level of machine control as Jefferies. He can ride past the limit and yet still finish but he has nothing more to prove. Can he permanently retire? I doubt it. People rave about Moto GP, compared to the TT or the manic Irish roadraces it's sterile.
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Happy New Year to yourself Mr Micky :-)
Just to clarify, the clues, yes I had noted them correctly, my post was written with that in mind.
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Number 1 trackday rule: be prepared to be overtaken. The biggest peril on Mad Sunday is generally the idiots who don't realise it's one-way over the mountain :-0
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"Can he permanently retire? I doubt it. People rave about Moto GP, compared to the TT or the manic Irish roadraces it's sterile"
I agree 100% toss up between a paid trip to Donnigton or pay my own way to the Island ? Can you E-Bay Kippers ?
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Over 25 years ago my Cousin was taken out, (but survived), by a knob going, (coming) the wrong way.........quite scary.
Best...............MD.
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Brilliant video, but as other people have suggested, reckless behavour? on that note am I right in saying that Dave Jefferies is dead? That is not to say he did not have masterful control, but a lot of legends like Senna spring to mind here. A great racing video, but it would be a tragity if one of the mimsers had less that telepathic observation - people are not perfect.
This does not include the idots who can't drive and go the wrong way.
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Torque means nothing without RPM
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From the two minutes I've watched (and that was enough) he seemed to be doing a lot of presuming that others he was gaining on very rapidly were 1) going to see him, and 2) going to give him some room. Not what I'd call a masterclass, unless the subject is how to frighten the life out of others. Even if you'd just looked in your rear view mirrors he would have appeared from nowhere within a few seconds. Idiot.
He would only 'frighten the life out of others' if 'others' were not aware of what is going on around them - including being aware of traffic coming up from behind. If 'others' are not able to be aware then perhaps they should give serious thought about not driving this route on mad sunday (if ever the old adage about 'expecting the unexpected' applied, then driving on mad sunday is surely the time!), ditto driving on the German Autobahn network.
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As far as Iam aware, I am the only living person to continue using the word.
No you aren't, Micky. But welcome aboard.
Actually it was old Bill Boddy in Motor Sport who used to use it. Setright was a Johnny-come-lately in this context.
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Fantastic video. Anyone who has ridden a motorcycle for any length of time would recognise the sublime skill involved, he was most definitely not an idiot.
If you look at his approach when overtaking, take notice of where he makes (..and I imagine this is where most non-motorcyclists intake breath..) his close overtakes - it's when the overtakee is least likely to be making any off-line manoeuvre, i.e. moving off a 'straight' line - the result is much safer than a novice eye appreciates. In fact, most of the time it's irrelevant whether the overetakee has seen him or not. Near the end of the clip you see him following another motorcyclist who is waiting to overtake a car (or maybe cars) - he waits until the other guy completes his manoeuvre (as he assumes he hasn't been seen) - then zips past on a straight - very safe. When passing cars, he knows he can safely reduce his margin because the lateral movement capacity of cars is much less, especially the bog standard saloons shown.
Big Respek!
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I genuinely thought it was indeed a master class.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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thoroughly agree.....restraint where necessary and impressive, flowing, fast lines when vision dictates
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Yes!...it was in Motor Sport that I spotted it. I hope old Bill Boddy is still around and getting even older.
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Awe-inspiring skill demonstrated here. Super smooth, no superfluous movement (odd wheelie apart) and complete and utter confidence in what the bike is doing, and what he is asking of it.
Hypnotic and brilliant to watch. A gifted rider at the peak of his game on a superb motorcycle.
RIP big fella! :-(
Cheers
DP
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Spoke to my Bikesafe Instructor today about this, he knows his onions and better than that he's actually used that circuit for training (in the closed season), when its a proper public road, he says its a faultless ride with road positioning that's spot on. There is some serious skill here. I couldn;t see anything that frightened me and I am old not bold.
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What spoilt it for me after looking at it (again) is the soundtrack, the engine noise is music enough !
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What spoilt it for me after looking at it (again) is the soundtrack, the engine noise is music enough !
My thoughts exactly!
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No music and a much slower rider (!?).
Video appears to fail after 10 mins so I've got no idea what happens over the 2nd half of the lap.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UDrX_3coqM
A pedantic person might note that the soundtrack doesn't match the tacho ;-)
I don't think there are words to describe 'bike footage from the IOM to a non-biker.
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>>>> Video appears to fail after 10 mins so I've got noidea what happens over the 2nd half of the lap.
Get the mods to send me your e-mail address and I will send the vid to you. I have done this for several others.
Regards.........MD
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Thanks Martin, I've asked Polo Girl to contact you on my behalf (she is by far the nicest of all the mods)
Are you the rider?
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Are you the rider?
I wish!! Oh! how I wish.
Best reg's...............MD
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110% - Loved every min of it. I'm a rider myself, nothing like that, but respects.
For people with comments about 'reckless' etc I would agree on open normal roads, but Mad Sunday is a free for all, I have been there.......it is your duty to expect better and faster riders behind you coming up fast..........
Great Thread.
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Great riding - takes me back to the days of my old Triumph T21 ;-) . Just a boring practical question about 'mad Sunday'. Are 'ordinary' punters (e.g. some of those cars in the video?) allowed out on the roads - and what happens to everyones insurance?
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">But welcome aboard. <"
Thank you Lud.
"> Actually it was old Bill Boddy in Motor Sport who used to use it. Setright was a Johnny-come-lately in this context.<"
I didn't know that. There is a mimser.com but it seems to deal with George Hart and Egypt (?)
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This thread reminded me to get out and watch again my DVD of 'C'etait un Rendezvous'. Gorgeous soundtrack and not too many 'mimsers' around at that time of the morning in downtown Paris!
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