... are they allowed to park and start snapping? I read somewhere that it needs to be somewhere legal, ie where you or I could park and not get nicked.
True? If so, there was one operating on the wrong side of the law in Aylesbury this pm.
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They are allowed to park on verges if they have permission of the Highway Authority, which of course they have as they're operated by the ...Highway Authority.
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If you see a vehicle ahead marked in the style of an emergency vehicle and parked in an unusual place, one must slow right down in case there has been an incident.
"No officer, I wasn't warning other drivers about the speed trap, I was alerting them to the emergency vehicle parked on the verge, it must be attending an incident, otherwise why would it park in such a strange place?"
Do white van drivers realise the panic they cause when they park on overhead bridges?
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One parks in a Bus Stop in the next village. The Bus stop insn't clearly marked (sans sign even) but it is a defined bay. I've started complaining to my local Parish Cpuncil to get the sign re-instated, once that's done a lovely photo will wing it's way to the local Chief Constable. I spoke to an Officer one day who'd photographed a Scamera van driver concealing his van snd e-mailed them to his Chief.......
MLC will know what I mean when I say I got a dismissal the other day on a Scamera trial, the Officer couldn't produce an Airwave certificate. Ho Ho.
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i'm reliably informed any camera van site has to be 'risk assessed' and approved and that is why they are published........ so that Tomtom and similar can show them
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Do white van drivers realise the panic they cause when they park on overhead bridges?
Who cares? You'd only panic if you were blatantly breaking the speed limit, and if you are, you deserve to to get snapped. If you go into the back of someone, you must have been tailgating them, so again, it's your own fault. ;-)
Just my two cents...
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Who cares? You'd only panic if you were blatantly breaking the speed limit,
It amazes me the amount of people who still brake and slow down when they aren't breaking the speed limit. Just shows that they aren't paying any attention whatsoever to what speed they're actually doing at the time.
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">Just shows that they aren't paying any attention whatsoever to what speed they're actually doing at the time.<"
"They" might know what speed they are travelling at. "They" might not be 100% certain what the speed limit is. "They" might not trust the accuracy of the detection equipment. "They" might not trust the competency (or integrity) of the operator. "They" might have no faith in the "justice" system.
Or "they" might be hitting peak rpm in 2nd with the front wheel in the air. Which would be terrible these days, but perfectly acceptable in - perhaps - 1985.
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">Who cares?<"
I care.
"> You'd only panic if you were blatantly breaking the speed limit,<"
No. I panic because:
1) The detection equipment has been proven to be inaccurate
2) The operators have been proven to be incompetent
3) The speed limit restrictions have been proven to be invalid.
Your argument has some validity if you completely trust the authorities .. errrr.
;-)
I never tailgate, I overtake.
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"No officer, I wasn't warning other drivers about the speed trap, I was alerting them to the emergency vehicle parked on the verge, it must be attending an incident, otherwise why would it park in such a strange place?"
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A few months back a chap was fined for warning other drivers of a speed trap - perverting the course of justice.
He appealed and got of - he may have been warning drivers but the police could not prove that anyone did slow down - hence he could not be found guilty.
When I was a boy (50yrs ago) my P7 teacher's husband was fined for alerting drivers to a timed section of road. She was not a very good teacher, he was a mild eccentric (PhD and no common sense).
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">He appealed and got off<"
No, he didn't get "off", he was innocent, the court said so. The CPS wasted my tax money.
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They are allowed to park on verges if they have permission of the Highway Authority, which of course they have as they're operated by the ...Highway Authority.
No they are not, they are operated by the so called 'Safety Camera Partnerships' in the particular police region they are in.
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There are three places (all within a 1 mile stretch) on my daily commute where a mobile unit parks in the central reservation of a dual carriageway. At two of the locations he has to leave the offside lane by driving over a pedestrian refuge. At the other location he has to stop on a major roundabout and reverse back over a kerb.
Curiously enough, the only accident I've seen anywhere near these locations was a minor rear-end shunt while they were trapping one morning.
Kevin...
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What about in a town centre on the central reservation of a dual carriageway where it leaves a busy mini-one-way system? Involves bumping up a kerb to get on and ditto down the other side just behind the stop line of a set of traffic lights. The local bill shop is about 100 yards (OK, meteres for younger folk) away.
Not exactly an accident blackspot either, just a stretch of road where people might be tempted unwittingly to exceed 30 mph. Some drivers would be easy meat.
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Does the parked van obstruct sightlines? Does the parking of the van impede the flow of traffic? Am I the only driver who crawls past stationary scumera vans in urban areas in case there has been an accident? Hands at 10-to-2 on the steering wheel of course. Perhaps we should all become mimsers when the vans are in the locality? Create gridlock in protest?
No, we are British and we are happy to take it up the ...... errr ... wallet.
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See about halfway down this thread re Lancashire Evening Post campaign:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=46...5
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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There was an incident in S. Wales a couple of years ago where a copper booked another copper for illegal parking. He was operating a speed camera from a van!
So I think its reasonable to assume that they must park legally, not as has been mentioned above.
Also, if this is the case, I thought it wasn't legal to park on a bridge?
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"A few months back a chap was fined for warning other drivers of a speed trap - perverting the course of justice.
He appealed and got of - he may have been warning drivers but the police could not prove that anyone did slow down - hence he could not be found guilty."
Should have charged "attempt", I suppose.
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don't mix up the camera vans with ANPR vans
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don't mix up the camera vans with ANPR vans
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ANPR???
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Automatic Number Plate Recognition - tax/insurance evasion for example.
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If the net result is people slowing down how does that pervert the course of justice?
Perverts the police getting money off us, more like.
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Talking to a guy in work today. He was booked by a Scamera parked on a grass verge near his home (in a 40). He got even rather tan getting mad. When moaning to the council about damage to the grass verge failed. He parked his second car on spot thus preventing the van from parking there. When the local Police called there to ask him to move it he produced photos of the Scamera van parked in the same spot and told them to do their worst........he heard nothing more and the car remains there when not in use.
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... are they allowed to park and start snapping? I read somewhere that it needs to be somewhere legal, ie where you or I could park and not get nicked. True? If so, there was one operating on the wrong side of the law in Aylesbury this pm.
On the "Y" part of the central reservation at the top of the rise where Walton Street meets the gyratory system, perchance? If so, the location has been used for mobile Scameras (usually in white "Scamera Partnership" Iveco vans) for years. Never seen ANPR there though. You need to go to the Elmhurst road for that.
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www.lscp.org.uk/en/fe/fileloader/load_docs.asp?fil...e
thats a list of all camera van locations in london boroughs - not sure of how up to date it is though.
I myself have a question if you are snapped by one of these camera vans what is their general procedure? do they pull you over for an on the spot fine or do they sending you an NIP by post?
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