Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - artful dodger {P}
More drivers are using hand-held mobile phones at the wheel than when the practice was banned in December 2003, according to Government figures.

The latest statistics, from a study commissioned by the Department for Transport, show that the number of motorists flouting the law has risen by more than 50 per cent in the past 18 months.

According to the study, carried out by TRL, formerly the Transport Research Laboratory, 1.7 per cent of motorists ? equivalent to more than half a million drivers ? are making calls on hand-held phones while at the wheel every day.

It showed a steady rise in motorists using hand-held mobiles while driving from 1.1 per cent of those observed in September 2004 to 1.7 per cent in April this year.

At the same time the proportion of drivers bothering to use hands-free sets has fallen from 1.4 per cent to 0.8 per cent.

Full details at:
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Adam {P}
I wonder why that is.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Collos25
Thats a difficult one to answer Adam
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Adam {P}
Not really - the fact that the last time I saw a traffic car was on the bridge of one of the quietest motorways in Britain, at 8pm, doing what you'd expect cop cars on bridges to do, probably has a lot to do with it.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Adam {P}
This was about 2 weeks ago by the way. Not seen one since.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Collos25
They have just about disappeared of the face of the earth in West Yorkshire.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
The worst offenders seem to be people in "flash" cars... "I'm too cool to need Bluetooth" etc.

You get the junior rep brigade who seem to LOVE those Bluetooth headsets, and then the A6/5 series drivers who appear to be shouting at an imaginary person... that's full integrated Bluetooth that.

I have the full Bluetooth in my car, it's bloomin' marvellous.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Round The Bend
Its no good passing laws unless they are enforced. The general attitude seems to be Rules Are For Wimps!
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - The Lawman
We are governed by an administration that does not understand the concept or purpose of the criminal law.

They make new criminal offences because they want to demonstrate what they believe in, what they stand for, and what they want to send messages about.

They give no thought as to whether those laws will be effectively enforceable or not (ie foxhunting etc) and are not prepared to fund the extra staff/police to effectively enforce the new laws.

This causes a widespread feeling that it is safe fo ignore certain laws (like driving while using a mobile, or using foglights when they are not needed) and this brings the whole criminal law into disrepute.

You should never introduce a law unless the means and resources exist to properly enforce it, but of course no government of whatever hue is going to admit this is ever the case.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Craig_1969
I get very annoyed by drivers of large vehicles using mobiles at junctions. I now beep my horn at them, dunno if it makes any difference makes me feel better. On a straight road with no junctions isnt too bad but at a junction is asking for it.

I keep hearing in the media about people who lost loved ones due to mobile phone use in vehicles, and there is no way I am going to be responsible for an injury or death so I use one of the handsfree things myself.

Oh and was this morning national discourtesy/road rage day? Everyone seemed to be waving their arms in their cars at other drivers!

/rant off

Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - component part
Oh and was this morning national discourtesy/road rage day? Everyone seemed
to be waving their arms in their cars at other drivers!



I strongly disagree with your course of action. Makes you sound like a curtain twitching busy body. You must have more front than hurricane Katrina to feel you have the right to take the law into your own hands like that.

1) Your use of the horn is against the highway code and could in itself constitute an offence...go figure.

2) What gives you the right? They are breaking the law-but do you never break the law, ever? Would you expect to be honked at for going over the speed limit, not signalling at a round about? Muppet

I admit I do feel it is particularly irresponsible of LGV drivers to do this, as they clearly have more damage giving potential. But what's the solution? It isn't blowing your horn at people who you have judged to be breaking the law.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Aprilia
I strongly disagree with your course of action. Makes you sound
like a curtain twitching busy body. You must have more front
than hurricane Katrina to feel you have the right to take
the law into your own hands like that.
1) Your use of the horn is against the highway code
and could in itself constitute an offence...go figure.


Wrong. He's using his horn as 'audible warning of approach' - if someone is on the phone at a junction then its fair to assume they may not be 100% alert to his approach and therefore some warning would be appropriate....
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - component part
Wrong. He's using his horn as 'audible warning of approach'
- if someone is on the phone at a junction then
its fair to assume they may not be 100% alert to
his approach and therefore some warning would be appropriate....


Rubbish. He's using it as a rebuke and has already admitted as much. That is an improper use of the horn and may in itself constitute an offence. He's honking at them because it irritates him-not for his own safety.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - AR-CoolC
I have the full Bluetooth in my car, it's bloomin' marvellous.

Ditto.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Stuartli
>>equivalent to more than half a million drivers>>

Well they must all be driving in my area then...:-)

Worst are the big skip or heavy truck vehicle drivers - I dread to think what would happen if anything went wrong as they round a very sharp junction near me. It was specifically narrowed to cut down vehicle speeds and is more difficult to negotiate, but it doesn't seem to bother those with a phone clamped to their ear.

The main problem is that the police actually have to catch someone in the act of using a mobile phone and that, as we know, is more rare with the sharp reduction in traffic patrols.
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - bell boy
Worse than talking and driving is driving and texting,this is getting worse.
Ive actually just come down a major 'a' road in my truck and a van came flying up to the junction it was a new type reno with the low window sill i could clearly see him pushing his silly little buttons and decided if he pulled out in front of me i was not going to risk killing myself by trying to get round him, i must add i had a loaded car on the back and you cant do donuts with the centre of gravity so high.
He kept stopped and lived another day and so did i
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Snakey
I'm sure they'll be a mobile phone style 'Gatso' along in the near future! The worst offenders on my daily route seem to be truck drivers.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
WHY would you drive and text? How can flirting with Waynetta be so important? Are people really that stupid?


Yes, they are aren't they?


Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Aprilia
I have a hands-free set up in my car, however I do find that talking on the phone whilst driving is incredibly distracting - vastly more so than speed cameras, which some people claim are distracting. The brain seems to 'divert' from driving to thinking about the discussion on the phone. For that reason I only use the phone if its something really urgent. Ideally I think drivers should be banned from using any sort of phone when driving. I suspect that this will never happen because companies need to keep in touch with their staff and this economic consideration will override any safety argument.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Xileno {P}
I can't see how a hands-free phone can be more distracting that talking to a passenger in the car.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Collos25
Smoking has to be just as bad.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
As a smoker I'd have to agree. The only time I smoke in the car is when I am stopped! Or, maybe in a traffic jam....

If anyone's seen 'The Big Lebowski' it demonstrates admirably the perils of smoking (whatever may be in the roll-up....) in a car.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Statistical outlier
Smoking has to be just as bad.


For the driver it's undoubtedly worse. Smoking will directly kill 1 in 3 smokers, driving on the phone has to increase your chances of being in an accident, but can't imagine it's that lethal!!
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
I think we're talking about accidents here, not the long-term effects. This isn't a medical website! All smokers, despite what they might say, know the effects.

As a smoker, and you're obviously not one..... or the worst thing ever, an ex-smoker (inserts smiley as is only messing not being offensive!) I can assure you lighting, smoking and disposing of a cigarette is fraught with dangers (as per the Big Leboswki reference).

Particularly if you're on the phone at the time. Joke.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Statistical outlier
It was meant as a joke StevieD, you're a bit twitchy there. :-)

You're right tho, I'm a non-smoker, but I am involved with trying to save the lives of those unfortunate enough to have been entrapped by the tobacco companies.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
No twitching!! I too was being light-hearted.... maybe I'm fractious 'cos I need a fag...: )

I am entrapped. Philip Morris has a lot of control over me...
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Dalglish
Smoking has to be just as bad.

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andy :
whislt smoking while is also bad practice, it is not as dangerous as using a mobile phone while driving.
smoking can be dealt with as a "careless driving" or "driving without due care", i.e. failure to be in full control" type of offence by police. smoking can be done almost as an automated function except that it requires the driver to use a hand to hold the cigarette.
research has shown that talking on the phone requires deeper mental processes, and is dangerous when done using a hands-free phone, but even more so when using a hand-held phone.
p.s. - see my reply to xileno.

Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Dalglish
I can't see how a hands-free phone can be more distracting that talking to a passenger in the car.

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xileno : perhaps the following will help.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1885775.stm
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=16...1
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=11...5

note that since then, furhter detailed studies have proved the point beyond any doubt.

Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - tyro
Dalglish

Thanks for those links. Very helpful.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
I can't see how a hands-free phone can be more distracting
that talking to a passenger in the car.


You beat me to it Xileno. But most of us will be familiar with the experience of going completely blank on yr interlocutor, whether on phone or sitting beside you, when a challenging or complex road situation arises, When you are driving peacefully again you realise they are still talking and you haven't registered a word.

Can be a bit embarrassing, but surely better than the other way round. First things first.

The reason cameras are so distracting to some categories of driver is that they are about driving, not something else entirely like a conversation with a passenger. They are meant to interfere with what the driver is doing, and this does make some drivers anxious.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - nick62
I sometimes drive to the south coast and back in one day from Liverpool. I often (maybe 90% of the time) complete this journey without ever seeing a patrol car.

The other day something (or someone) important must have been happening at Liverpool cathederal, I didn't count, but I can safely say there were at least 15 police patrol cars/motorcycles within a 500 mtere radius (and probably some unmarked ones as well). Maybe Degsy was meeting the Bishop?

If you did'nt laugh, you'd cry!
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - rtj70
With current legislation, if there is an accident and it can be proved you were on the phone (easy with phone records) then you can be done for dangerous driving. So if someone were killed by a driver on the phone then that driver could be facing a jail sentence.

I have a professionally fitted car kit but try not to speak whilst driving if I can help it. Especially if it's a work related call because then it's not a chat but possibly a lengthy and involved conversation.

Isn't the legislation surrounding mobile phone use due to change soon? Isn't it going to be 3 points plus a £60 fine. Maybe then the police will feel it worth their while policing this law.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Pugugly {P}
Isn't it going to be 3 points plus a £60 fine. Maybe then the police will feel it worth their while policing this law.
Yes and hopefully.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - The Lawman
I am a heavy smoker (40 a day) and have been for 20 years. I nearly aslways smoke when I drive.

Health risks aside (which are a matter for me only) I do not honestly believe that smoking at the wheel is much of a risk. In 20 years of driving I have never had an incident.

I have used a phone while driving (obviously before the new law) and I can say that it is infinitely more distracting than smoking.

One hand is out of action, which is not the case with smoking. I can get a fag out and light it without taking my eyes of the road. Try answering a phone or dialing a number without taking your eyes off the road. Try unwrapping and eating a Mars bar.

I sometimes think that I could light and smoke a fag in my sleep.

Of course, not everyone else is as marvelously co-ordinated as me...
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - midlifecrisis
My shift gave out 117 tickets for mobile phone use in the last four weeks. !!


Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Stuartli
>>My shift gave out 117 tickets for mobile phone use in the last four weeks. !!>>

Good news, but I'd like to bet that that figure could have been raised many times over - and that would be in the first week - if the means to catch offenders were available.
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - midlifecrisis
That's drivers that were observed while travelling from one job to the next. If we see one and it's safe to do so, we'll stop it.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Aprilia
That's drivers that were observed while travelling from one job to
the next. If we see one and it's safe to do
so, we'll stop it.


That's great, well done.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Mad Maxy
IMO using a hand-held mobile on the move is MOSTLY as dangerous as speeding: distraction and not full control of the vehicle.

However, talking with a passenger in the car = distracting. Smoking whilst driving = distracting. Re-tuning the radio/changing CD tracks (without s/wheel controls) = distracting.

Doing any of the above on a relatively-fraffic-free M-way or major road with no hazards/potential hazards in view: is there really much extra risk?

Point is, there's plenty that drivers do even legally that creates extra risk. How much control should be enforced by legislation coupled with detection measures? Why is detection/enforcement so inconsistent? (These are rhetorical questions but feel free to answer.)

BTW, illegal mobile use when driving is rife.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Xileno {P}
And yet I believe it's not illegal to use CB radio in a car...
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Stuartli
>>That's drivers that were observed while travelling from one job to the next. If we see one and it's safe to do so, we'll stop it.>>

You'd only need to stand by the side of the road on the main throughfare running parallel to my road and you would probably get 117 an hour...:-)
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Westpig
if you think about it rationally........... holding a phone to your ear, on it's own is not at all distracting, no more so than picking your nose, scratching your ear, smoking a cigarette etc.

it's the concentrating on something else that is distracting.......

albeit i agree that holding the phone whilst driving a manual car would also mean that you cannot change gear properly or turn a corner...... but you could argue it's less dangerous to hold a phone in an automatic car

and no i don't advocate mobile phone usage whilst driving in the car,

but neither do i like my passengers yapping to me when: - i'm approaching a hazard, - something potentially hazardous is brewing - i'm doing an overtake or - driving at speed..........because i want to concentrate.



Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - martint123
Local paper said that during October all cops, traffic or not, will be targeting drivers using handheld mobiles in Humberside.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - LeighB
if you think about it rationally........... holding a phone to your
ear, on it's own is not at all distracting, no more
so than picking your nose, scratching your ear, smoking a cigarette
etc.


Surely it is very different, unless you continuously pick your nose or scratch for several minutes at a time !! Phone conversations last many minutes and all sorts of things may be happening. Also you would not normally choose to scratch or whatever in the middle of negotiating a tricky double roundabout - I have seen drivers using handheld mobiles doing just that!!
it's the concentrating on something else that is distracting.......


Agreed that is a major additional factor as has been said many times.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Bromptonaut
This is not an offence whose enforcement requires the full powers of a Police Officer. PCSO's either on foot or pedal cycles would catch them like flies in London and, no doubt, other big Cities.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - oldgit
Being old now, or of that particular generation, I just do not understand this mobile phone obsession or need to be in contact with everyone all of the time.

I have two such phones, however, one for each person in my household and we take them with us in our cars when we go out separately but they are for emergencies only and they are never left on. Similarly, when I go shopping the phone is left in the car as I don't need it when walking around the shops or up and down the high St.

Use of the mobile phone whilst driving (or rather not using the phone) is a bad law as it cannot be enforced properly but I'm appalled by the disregard and the contempt that people have for this relatively new law. I see many people now using their phones and would say that there are just as many using them as there were before the law was introduced. However, there are many dangerous and distracting things that people still do whilst in charge of a car and so don't know what the solution is.

We need more police...................but that's another thread!
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Mobile phones are mostly about the "s" word. 3, not 4 letters.

The vast majority of texts are flirting, or gossiping.... the vast majority of calls are either the same, or Clive from accounts ringing in to say he'll be late, or if there's an audience, it's self-important marketing twaddle.

Guilty? You bet I am. But I pull over to text, and indeed to read texts... particularly if the content is somewhat interesting...
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - drbe
>> Health risks aside (which are a matter for me only) >>


Er, I don't think so. Won't you be expecting to get treated on the NHS?
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - PhilW
"Won't you be expecting to get treated on the NHS?"

And on 40 a day his contributions in tax will more than cover the cost. More than BUPA would cost anyway
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Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - The Lawman
Indeed. And the way pensions are going, dying on the dot of 65 is the main part of my pensions strategy.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Cliff Pope
I saw a girl pulled over by a police motorcyclist last week. She was talking on her phone, and continued to do so while he waited for her to wind the window down.

"Hang on a moment, there's a policeman wants to talk to me about something"
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - helicopter
I am pleased to see MLC and colleagues taking action against these idiots who think they can flout the law.

Keep up the good work MLC - I imagine this is in a marked traffic car or bike .

Just think how many you could pull in an unmarked car.

The ones who are smoking ,eating their sandwiches , drinking coffee etc should be added to the hit list.

My personal favourite for the early exit from this life was the driver texting as he turned right at a busy junction in Crete - on his motorbike - no helmet either.......
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Was that Crete or Crewe?

I work in one, and prefer the other.. see if you can guess which.

Wouldn't be surprised at the texting in either, to be honest! : )
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
The ones who are smoking ,eating their sandwiches , drinking coffee
etc should be added to the hit list.


Would they be allowed a furtive scratch of the private parts helicopter? I feel you may be suggesting an impractical level of perfection.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Lud, I hope you only mean in the car....

Even the mimsiest of nanny-state apologists would, I hope, draw the line at furtive private scratching GATSOs in the home.....
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
Even the mimsiest of nanny-state apologists would, I hope, draw the
line at furtive private scratching GATSOs in the home.....


Ever read 1984 stevied?

The fascist potential of the nany state is not lost on some of us.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Certainly have! In fact, I read it first in 1984, when I was a 12 year old English Lit. student.....

I always chuckle when I hear about the Americans using us for illegal stops when arms-carrying and the like, Airstrip One was about right.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Statistical outlier
She'd have to be careful doing that in the US. There was a huge fuss when a video came out of a young girl being tazered repeatedly by a traffic cop because she wouldn't get off the phone and out the car. Was pretty nasty to watch, was being shown by Tazer as an example of 'ensuring compliance' or somesuch.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Yes.... unless the government want to BAN smoking, then they (and others) can't preach at people, IMHO.

A selective NHS is a fascist entity.

And that's all I have to say about it.

On a motoring note, aren't ambulances slow? : )
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Adam {P}
>>oung girl being tazered repeatedly by a traffic cop because she wouldn't get off the phone and out the car<<

I've seen that video - didn't the young girl reach into her bag for the phone after the cop told her not to? There are things you don't do and reaching into a bag when an American cop asks you not to is one of them.

Painful to watch but he was right to do it.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Statistical outlier
No, she was already on the phone to her Mum when he got there, at least in the one I saw. The cop tazed here again when she was still twitching on the floor and too hysterical to put her hands behind her back, screaming she couldn't. Horrendous to watch, and the cop deserved to be banged up.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Adam {P}
Might have watched a different one then. Although I can't imagine there are two!
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Statistical outlier
True, perhaps I am mis-remembering it, I'd not want to watch again to make sure though.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Westpig
No, she was already on the phone to her Mum when
he got there, at least in the one I saw. The
cop tazed here again when she was still twitching on the
floor and too hysterical to put her hands behind her back,
screaming she couldn't. Horrendous to watch, and the cop deserved to
be banged up.

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a lot of these things only have one element of a long story....... i haven't seen the video and if it is as stated then fair enough........ however......... as Adam has already pointed out, the American cops do things as they do for a reason and that is the high incidence of gun ownership, the high level of street violence, the fact that most cops are 'single crewed' and the amount of cops killed in the line of duty.

The Rodney King one is a good example.......one side of it was motorist dragged out of car and beaten unmercilessly, repeatedly for no apparent reason........the other side of it was 'crack cocaine' had just become a known phenomena over there, there'd been a number of people who had acted like madmen on it and even when shot (using the police known to be underpowered hand guns) had failed to be subdued at all & Mr King was well known to them for extreme violence.........

i'm not excusing it at all, as i don't know enough about those two subjects, but what i do know is there is usually two sides to most stories and one snapshot doesn't cover it
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - bell boy
wonder if the girl got stung again at the court.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
Yesterday was one of those days when the area was in semi-logjam and there were temporary traffic lights all over the place because now a small hole in the road has to be surrounded by a squash-court-sized wire cage with blocks of tyre-threatening concrete sticking out in all directions.

I was going to be late to meet someone, so in a slow-moving traffic jam I got my phone out and called him. I broke the law thereby but of course did nothing remotely dangerous.

We both arrived at our meeting point, the world's best pub, at the same time. He had been travelling by tube, on the Northern Line.

The devil's curse on nanny regulations, car-hating politicians, moronic borough councils and up-yours-jack building contractors.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Lud, you're a dude.

Where is the world's best pub then?
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
Do forgive me stevied, but I'd rather not name it if you will forgive me. It's about 5 minutes' walk due north from Camden Town tube.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Mmmm! I am a northerner, but I did used to live in Hackney, amongst other places whilst at Uni.... it's not the World's End, cos that's about 15 seconds walk, plus is in no danger of being the world's best pub!

I will respect your mysteriousness! : )

My fave pub in London is probably The Albion in Bethnal Green. But that's more nostalgia than anything else. Good board games though!!
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - Lud
Very tolerant of you stevied.

I'm terrified by the thought of br elements turning up there and either counting my drinks or teasing me about my motor.

I'm sure you would be OK though.
Drivers ignoring law on use of mobiles - stevied
Well, I don't mind ridicule, so If you or anyone else is ever in Nantwich, come to the Bowling Green. It's badly decorated, they've often not got much beer in, there isn't a lock on the toilet door and the urinals are broken so that if you're unfortunate enough to have an ill-timed wazz, you look like you've wet yourself. Additionally, the bar staff spend more time smoking and reading Custom car magazines than serving*.

However, despite all this, we love it! The collection of eccentrics in there is exceptional.

* One of the bar staff has one of those cars that dances, an old Chevy of some description. Another one has a gangsta-ed Mercedes S class coupé (Alt 130) that is battered enough to be cool.
 

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