.........According to the Court. Suspended Prison Sentence and don't drive until you've passed a test said the JP.
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Ridiculous.
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passed a test said the JP.
That;'s actually better than a disqualification in this case.
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It's ridiculous because a while ago I read about a biker being locked up for 6 months for doing 150 on a motorway.
This clown was immeasurably more dangerous and gets a suspended sentence? Wow.
Agree about the passing a test bit though.
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"Banned from driving for three years" is what it said on teletext. Good to know we can all sleep soundly 'til 2009....
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small print being that in 2009 he'll have to pass an extended driving test. (Think about it).
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Yes, I know, I was taking the Mick.
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Sorry bad day at the office.
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what gets me, is just when you think you've heard it all........ something else pops up to amaze / frusrate / irritate / appal etc
you cannot really get much more dangerous can you, because even at low speeds if he cannot see anything he could quite literally drive right over a bus stop full of kids...
at least the 150mph biker is only really ever going to harm himself..... if that...... going up our safest roads (statistically) where everyone goes in the same direction, no junctions, no pedestrians etc, etc and the users to a point are used to speed (70mph at least).
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I expect the blind driver got a slightly higher sympathy vote; and there's not likely to be an epidemic of emulators. The biker on the other hand was probably locked up pour encourager les autres.
Thank goodness nobody was killed and we can enjoy the comedy aspect.
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Pah!!! What a waste of time and money!
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Must be a damn good guide dog, that's all I can say.
JH
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The constables' statements as reported in the Torygraph are priceless.
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yes, i have to agree there......... something along the lines of "what happened then officer" "well he removed his sunglasses and i noticed he had no eyes your worship"........
can't imagine he'll beat that for the rest of his career
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I have to say Officers can be quite amusing in Court. Many years ago I took a contested speeding case -
The Officer's evidence was based on observing a car in his mirror and "pacing" it against a calibrated speedo. The location was an issue and the car passanger had (covertly) photographed the consequent conversation twixt driver and Officer and this photo was produced in evidence which cleary showed the officer was erm inaccurate in describing where the offence took place. He was led through his evidence in chief and then I sprang the photo on him (you could do that then), there followed a lengthy exchange where the Officer held the photo at arm's length with eyes firmly locked on it, his expression was absolutly priceless (Beam me up Scotty sort of moment) The Case collapsed in the end as did the Court in gales of layghter. The Officer was stopped by an usher trying to walk out of the Court with the photo, he was totally transfixed. He's still in the job (this was around 92) don't see much of him in Court.
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"three-month suspended prison sentence and a three-year driving ban, also ordered to pay £364 in prosecution costs"
So, good job he wasn't riding a bike without a bell - a far more heinous crime.
"Those found guilty of riding without a bell will face on-the-spot fines, with maximum penalties of up to £2,500 or two years in jail."
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>>"Those found guilty of riding without a bell will face on-the-spot fines, with maximum penalties of up to £2,500 or two years in jail."<<
What the hell is happening to this country?
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You're joking though aren't you?
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"joking" ---No!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006...l
Unless Telegraph is wrong - Times says "a four figure sum"
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This clarifies it
www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article...2
"Cycling without one would be a criminal offence the same as dangerous riding, ignoring red lights or cycling on the pavement.
These offences typically attract a fixed penalty notice of between £30 and £60.
But persistent offenders can be fined up to £2,500, have their driving licence endorsed or, in extreme cases, be jailed for two years."
It's just another daft, unenforcable (unenforced??) law - ever heard of anyone being done for cycling on the pavement let alone sufficient times to be classed as a "persistent offender"?
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Dear God.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all year.
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"joking" ---No! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006...l Unless Telegraph is wrong - Times says "a four figure sum"
And also the thread I started last night -
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=44824
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How can he be banned for three years when he doesn't have a licence.Oh I forgot he was up before another senile old beak.
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Who'd be a magistrate eh?
Disqualification is invariably added to the punishment for serious motoring offences even when the offender should not have been driving anyway due to age, no insurance etc. - I don't think it is a pre-requisite that the magistrate is old or senile - sometimes they are just people who are voluntarily doing their level best to find the right decision and and the best way to deal with the offender.
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Driving without a licence: document offence, not really worth getting that bothered about. Usually no insurance (which comes with no licence) is considered more serious.
Driving whilst disqualified = frequent prison, very likely indeed after a second offence. Although the ban isn't a major inconvenience for him it does mean he can be punished much more severely if he does it again, and can be arrested for it, detained with no bail and straight off to prison. Given that he will never, ever pass the extended test, it's pretty much a lifetime ban so yes, there are teeth to his being disqualified.
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Drivers under 17 can be banned too. So they then cannot get their provisional etc. until the ban has run it's course once 17.
At the end of the day what could be done here? Luckily nobody was killed or injured and he was caught in the act. The fact he'd need to now pass a retest before driving should be enough? He surely cannot without eyes. Or can he guess the number plate when they ask him to read it? Or have I wasted my money today on new glasses?
Yes he could do this again but lets hope he does not. And he probably will not.
He is said to have been "testing his abilities" which we all disagree with but he did get injured in a bomb blast and lost both eyes etc back in Iraq.
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I see justice prevailed in the case of the blind Iraqi and his barmy friend.
No doubt off-the-shelf echo-locators will be available by the time the ban ends (the tomtom cheepcheep) so he can get straight back behind the wheel.
Great news that cyclists can be sent down for 15 years for not having a bell. That should thin the brutes out a bit.
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Reported in some places - not other as having been told by the beak to change hi T-shirt
He stood before JPs in Oldbury, West Mids, in a car reg plate-style shirt reading: ?MO7H3R *****?.
Magistrates made him change it with a pal in court then gave Aziz, of Darlaston, a three-month suspended jail sentence.
Now who picked that for him - sure;y an accident?? ;)
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Sounds like a right dipstick.
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>>don't drive until you've passed a test said the JP.
Maybe the JP was having a bit of fun. Without eyes he would not be able to complete the theory test. Even if he managed to pass the theory test, he would definitely fail the eye sight test for a number plate, so an examiner would never allow a road test to start.
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I read frequently, but only post when I have something useful to say.
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Later models of the Tomtom Cheepcheep will have a high level of sensitivity and be able to read the Braille number plates that will by then be compulsory at 25 metres.
Am I the only supporter Mr Aziz has in his ambition to become the first blind HGV driver?
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It may be inappropriate to mention that he is an asylum seeker who lost his eyes planting a bomb, this of course has no relevance to the case.
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Where did that information come from r75?
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I knew he got injured in a bomb blast. Are you just guessing he planted it or did it really happen?
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No offence to r75, but I think the hoist with his own petard theory is an assumption, not reported information. I don't see our mass media keeping shtum about it if there was any evidence Mr Aziz planted the bomb himself, and I haven't seen a single suggestion to that effect in the not very comprehensive media coverage of the original incident.
I am told that Aziz is likely to be a Kurdish name, and Kurds have not been prominent in the bombing campaign in Iraq.
Do I understand that 'asylum seeker' is tantamount to 'terrorist toerag' in some people's eyes? Surely a blind Iraqi asylum seeker, even a barmpot like Mr Aziz, deserves our sympathy really?
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It was reported in one of the tabloids can't remember which , however I am sure he is a valuable member of the community.
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">It was reported in one of the tabloids can't remember which<"
... must be true then.
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Swap places with an AS for a week, pick any country and random and report back on your findings. I dare you !
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I wish we would differentiate between an economic migrant and an asylum seeker.
An AS is someone with justification to fear for his [specifically his] safety in his own country because he will be victimised ont he basis of his sex, religion, politics, etc, etc.. Therefore we should investigate whether or not that is true; if it is not then kick them out. If it is true its a little more difficult but out of humanity you've pretty much got to allow them a place.
An EM is someone who wants to come here to work. Have they got a job ? Are they sponsored ? Have they a valuable skill ? Can they support themselves and any acompanying relatives ? If yes, then let them in; if not kick them as far into touch as possible.
I have often been an EM. And I have never had an issue. But if I hadn't been able to prove worth/job/skill, then I would have been refused entry.
I attended a dinner with Digby Jones last night,. I suspect that his words will be reported in the press today. I'd recommend seeking it out if you can (and assuming that you like his opinions).
I would like to point out that I drove to the dinner, and if that's not a motoring link then I don't know what is..
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Digby Jones - name dropper. I had supper with a copper - out of a microwave at the back office of Custody !
Seriously you're right Mark.
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PU,
All day breakfast?........... can't imagine you could manage much else, if you did then you've gone up in my estimation
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It was a very strange and unbranded Lasagne - in a very odd beige colour, tasted OK though. He gave me his apple as a pudding, bless.
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Crikey....... to quote the late Steve Irwin........ getting a free apple normally only happens if you're female, below 25 and absolute crumpet
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and now back to motoring. DD.
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