The powers that be, hizonner et al., are planning to include us in the whassername zone. In our case though the proposal is to make us pay in advance by the week, instead of the daily arrangement tey have in the West End.
Neither the council Tory majority nor the Labour opposition (my wife tells me) wants this thing in K&C, nor any sane citizen otther than embittered cyclists and other lunatics.
They know most of us will want to use our cars most weeks, and will therefore want to know what the reduced annual rate is.
What I want to know is, who are these so-called people and what gives them the right to torture us in this way, other than our foolish votes of course?
Tell them to get lost. Greedy sods.
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I think your post is something to do with congestion charging... but I'm not sure. Care to enlighten us further?
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Oh Come on Lud, you live in kensington and chelsea, you are obviously part of the rich proletariat, so its only right that you should pay for your privelage
(ducks and runs for cover)
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Please, what does 'foutus' mean and 'hizonner'? Ken Livingstone? If you want sympathy please make it understandable!
'Proletariat'- lowest class of the community in ancient Rome, seen as contributing nothing to the state but offspring; or, the class of wage earners who have no reserve or capital' - says the Oxford English Dictionary. Not quite the case in K and C I think...
Sorry to carp, just feeling a bit Monday morning.
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Carp away mh, I don't mind. I'm surprised you don't know what foutu means though as I believe you have a French connection... foutus being the plural masculine form, K and C, therefore two....
I wasn't really seeking sympathy, just booing the human comedy a bit.
TVM: if only! There is a peculiar torture about being rich in everything except money. When I'm through with it I intend to be extremely boring about the MoT, for example.
However, yes I did mean the congestion charge and its proposed extension to K&C. It is a total imposition as no one wants it. Another 200 quid a year on top of everything else...
There are by the way a lot of wage-earners and even poor in North Kensington especially, but spread throughout the Borough. I don't claim to be one of these, but I'm not at all rich and often strapped for cash.
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Didn't quite catch that mh....
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Sorry Lud, I just said I've remembered foutu - didn't recognise it in the context. Also, on the same page in the Collins-Robert, the word foutaise which I thought was appropriate as well. But you'll have to look it up for yourself. Sometimes this forum is like being in church...
BTW, my partner lived in Ladbroke Grove and she says the only prole she's ever met is me!
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I thought you'd have heard it a few times from French garage men by now mh!
'Ah non monsieur, c'est totalement foutue cette batterie-la...'
I have a Petit Robert on my hard disk which I use in my work. Every now and then the computer asks me to put the CD in so that it can reload the thing. Trouble is, my computer has now forgotten that it has a CD slot, so I can't get the Robert any more. Great nuisance.
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I tried foutaise on the garage man this afternoon, by coincidence, but he denied all knowledge. At least I think that's what it was...
My partner is feigning ignorance as well, in the matter of the proletariat, but I'm not having it - she may have arrived here via Ladbroke Grove but she was born in Neasden!
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Mon Dieu. By a Honda Civic IMA and it won't affect you !
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Congestion charges; grey areas?
If you live in the area you are not the congestion, you are the local traffic? congestion is caused by other traffic entering that area?
But equally ample public transport is available there; not in 95% of the country. And you can afford to live there' even if not rich.
Not sure where my opinion lies, but if public transport is available then a congestion charge, on the surface is not necessarily a bad idea. Certainly bad without public transport though!
But then, ved is a charge for using the roads too? And that then brings on toll roads? Hmmm, I still not sure of my opinion yet.
just pay up and keep quiet? or use the democratic right of majority population that says its not fair, and get it abandoned?
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We have an Accord and a Prelude. Was only there to pay for the latest service!
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"Proletariat'- lowest class of the community in ancient Rome,"
No. The lowest class were the slaves, followed by the freedmen. Above them came the two classes of citizens, the Plebeians and the Patricians.
There's a lovely joke in Goodbye Mr Chips, based on the "Lex Canuleia", the law permitting marriage between patricians and plebians. Before then, a spurned plebian girl had no comeback on her patrician lover, who said he was not allowed to marry her anyway. After the passing of the law, she retorted "Oh yes you can you liar!"
But I don't understand what this thread is going on about.
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I don't understand what this thread is going on about.
Nor do I CP. I thought I would just have a rant about K&C being congestion charged against the wishes of nearly all the inhabitants and the councillors of both major parties.
But the thread keeps slipping sideways into discussion of French oaths and social class categories. What's the matter with you all? Foutaise! Keep your eye on the ball, plebeians!
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You surely do not need a car anyway with that wonderful tube network - spacious, air-conditioned and delightful fellow passengers.....its so reasonable too!!!
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You surely do not need a car anyway with that wonderful tube network - spacious, air-conditioned and delightful fellow passengers.....its so reasonable too!!!
You forget to mention their wonderful taste in fine music
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All true enough in a way, but IMHO, onyone that drives in London is insane. Tube or bike is the only way forward, it's too busy, too aggressive, too expensive and too slow to drive. Maybe in a battered old auto it might make more sense, but for now, I'll use public transport when in the capital.
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My music comment aside - it stands true - I actually agree with you Gordon. The only times I drive in London are if there are enough of us in the car to make it cheaper and more convenient than the train (four of us going to the Opera, replete with overnight baggage and suit holders was the last example), it's late at night, or I'm working and have another appointment afterwards. (Company policy forbids turning up at a customer on a motorbike, otherwise this is what I would do)
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You surely do not need a car anyway with that wonderful tube network - spacious, air-conditioned and delightful fellow passengers.....its so reasonable too!!!
Free in my case, in fact, as long as I don't want to travel in morning rush hour, and I don't.
But what a bunch of wimps some of you are, too scaredycat to drive in London (bicycle, if you feel like that about cars, must be utterly terrifying). Frankly, although it can provide truly terrible moments of stupid logjam, the awfulness of driving in London is much exaggerated by the inexperienced.
Anyway, even if I wasn't an arrogant oil-guzzling London driver, I might still need to keep a car to get away to the country at weekends.
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SjB, what do you mean about the music? That sort of ticking noise you hear from people wearing earphones, or some fully-fledged operatic clamour in the tube that I have never been privileged to hear?
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Anyway, even if I wasn't an arrogant oil-guzzling London driver, I might still need to keep a car to get away to the country at weekends.
No prob, Lud. The congestion charge don't apply at weekends :)
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Curses! Foiled again!
Twirls long moustache, stomps appalling floppy boot.
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Curses! Foiled again! Twirls long moustache, stomps appalling floppy boot.
Don't worry, if you need to venture out to your country estates on a weekday, you can just sell a few domestic servants ;)
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NowNowNowheels that enough a that
Uncall for as you well know....
By the way, did you get round to reading either of the Kipling stories? Steam Tactics is shorter and better, but all very schoolboy. Quite good fun nevertheless, even the longer more pretentious one.
Should give a boost to your motoring spirit if you take the point though! !
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