Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - perleman
Kind of related to driving...

Big debate in office at moment. I think that F1 drivers require more physical fitness than footballers. The acid test woud be the beep test with 5 top footballers vs 5 top F1 drivers.

I'm basing my viewpoint on the following suppositions:

1 - They have to concentrate more intensly for longer, requiring more efficient oxegen flow
2 - They have to be increadibly strong due to cornering g force
3 - They have to be very efficient at cooling as the suits are so hot
4 - They probably do the beep test the whole time in absence of sport training
5 - Because they are in a sport that is about staying very very sharp I bet they don't drink as much and take as much drugs as footballers.

Thoughts?

Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Westpig
I can remember the celebrity sports programme in the late 70's or early 80's... i think it was called Superstars. For those of you blissfully unaware, a number of celebrity sportsmen competed in various disciplines for there to be an overall winner...

Imagine my amazement when James Hunt won it......... despite being an avowed partying, drinking womaniser ......

I can't remember the other athletes, but they were definitely 'bona fide' representaives of their sport and i do remember it was an impressive achievement.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Big Bad Dave
Kevin Keegan falling off his bike.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Westpig
Kevin Keegan falling off his bike.

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It's all flooding back...what a fuss he made>
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - cheddar
Put it another way, take the top 11 F1 drivers and they would put on a strong showing against any reasonable football team, take any pro footballer and put him in an F1 car and (if he could even get out of the pit lane, and if he could get up to any kind of representative speed) his neck muscles would be jelly after ten laps.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Chad.R
If it's pure fitness, I'd say it was pretty much of a muchness. However a footballer always has 10 other guys to help out if he isn't 100%, whereas (assuming car and pit crew are up to the job) the F1 driver only has himself.

So in that respect I'd say that that F1 is far more physically and mentally demanding than football.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - sgreenwood
I heard that Frank Lampard (footballer in case you didn't know:-) ) trains with his fellow team mates then embarks on a 8-10 mile run each day. I also read in a newspaper they once measured the total running distance of a Premiership midfielder - he ran 10 miles! Bearing in mind that players of his stature play 60 matches a year (often three a week during the peak of the season), train each and every day (plus put in extra), and occasionally play for the entire 12 months of a year (world cup / european championship years = play throughout the summer) then it seems to me that top footballers would be pretty hard to beat in terms of physical fitness.

When you factor in that a top footballer will need quicker recovery rates (from injuries / workouts) than an F1 driver would (usually has a few days off after a race) then I, personally think a top footballer would be physically fitter than an F1 driver. I happen to know a regular first team footballer for a Championship side. The bruises on his legs after a game look worse than anything I have ever suffered in my life (thankfully!). A few days later and his legs look as good as new. I'm sure the same applies to an F1 driver - but a footballer might play on a Saturday, recover / train, play on a Wednesday, recover / train, play on a Saturday...that's exceptionally demanding in anyone's book.




Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - sgreenwood
"Put it another way, take the top 11 F1 drivers and they would put on a strong showing against any reasonable football team, take any pro footballer and put him in an F1 car and (if he could even get out of the pit lane, and if he could get up to any kind of representative speed) his neck muscles would be jelly after ten laps."

I disagree

I would predict that if you were to field the 11 top F1 drivers against the 11 best footballers on a 90 minute match then the footballers would win convincingly. The same would apply if you put both teams in respective F1 cars: in that the F1 drivers would convincingly win. The two sports are entirely different and the participants are highly skilled (both via natural ability and through practice) in their jobs. Anyone can play football / drive a car well ? but to do either at the levels we?re discussing would be almost impossible for the average man (like me unfortunately).
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - steveincornwall
Just ask Schummi, he's pretty good at both.
Forza Ferrari.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - y2k+4
Footballers are fitter. But I'm probably using a different interpretation of the question.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Adam {P}
I'd be tempted to say footballers are fitter too. I know it's a different kind of fitness but if you set the likes of Lampard, Gerrard and even Crouch(!) off on a run, they'd easily outrun any F1 driver.

Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Chad.R
We need a sports physician to comment one here.......but I still think that schedules, recovery rates etc. aside during the 2 hours or so of a F1 race and a football match the demand on a F1 driver will be higher. It will almost be constant (apart from pit stops) whereas a footballer has regular "breaks" in play not to mention half-time to recover. Footballers also get the chance to take fluids pretty much whenever they want .......F1 drivers loose a hell of alot of body weight after a race due to de-hydration.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - local yokel
I'm no sports medic, but in all reality you could devise tests that the footballers would win, or tests that the F1 drivers would win. Just being able to run a long way does not mean everything - I can run for 20-30 miles, but my upper body strength is appalling, and I know weightlifters who can't run at all!

I'm certain that both have to be very fit, but for such different tasks that you can't compare the apples with the oranges. Footballers are sprinting up and down the pitch, with periods of recovery, while an F1 driver is more of a marathon runner.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - sgreenwood
I think the question / comparison is all but impossible.

Athletes from different sports acheive different types of fitness. A marathon runner will be different, fitness wise, from a sprinter for example. A cricketer will be different from a footballer and an F1 driver will be different from a swimmer etc etc...

IMO a footballer will be "fitter" than an F1 driver but an F1 driver will more likely have more stamina and better mental awareness / concentration levels than a footballer. This in part will be due to their natural abilities and, of course ,down to the respective training their teams provide. There is no real way to work out who is the most complete athlete IMO.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - rtj70
Of course many footballers stand no chance of fitting in an F1 car. Crouch, I doubt it. And Rooney is a bit too big too.

Isn't Michael Schumaker about 5' 7". And I think that is taller than Alonso. Felipe Massa is even shorter.

I suppose size is a key factor though. The lighter the driver the more ballast can be put in the car where it's advantageous.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - turbo11
PS. schumacher is about the same height as me(5ft 11").same as Hakkinen was.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - rtj70
You might be right but I do remember reading in a car mag that he's quite small actually. And all the websites I just looked at have him down as 174cm. Mika is 179cm tall (5' 9")

Found lots of references to 1.74m which is about 5' 7" although one has him down as 1.74m and 5' 8.5" which are not the same as each other.

Got the facts for drivers from these sites amongst others:

www.eurosport.com/formula1/entry-list/2005-2006/en...l
www.mschumacher.com/biography.html
www.hakkinen.com/biography.html (even has his blood type so assume they'd get the height right)


Of course none of this is to do with who's fittest. I think the agreed consensus must be that F1 drivers and top level footballers are all very fit. But because the sports are so different they will concentrate on different things. F1 needs stamina but a footballer needs to be able to sprint a lot.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - turbo11
If mika's biography says he,s 5'9".Then he must have carried on growing.Just looked through my photographic memorabilia and standing shoulder to shoulder we are the same height.We are both in the same footwear(flat bottomed racing boots). Maybe I am shrinking!!!!!
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
"Just ask Schummi, he's pretty good at both."

I have seen him play football, he is rubbish, but thinks he is Jurgen Klinsman.

There are two different types of fitness involved here.
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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - turbo11
Speaking to our drivers physio.He rates the fitness level around that of national standard track athlete.In particular he says Raikkonen,s fitness especially cardio vascular is the best he has ever come across.Don,t know any top footballers,but I reckon they would be very fit and given the right training would get pretty close to the current top f1 drivers.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - machika
I remember Bjorn Borg doing very well in Superstars, plus Jody Schekter and David Hemery, three people from three completely different sports.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - martint123
www.formula1.com/insight/technicalinfo/11/980.html

www.sportandadventure.co.uk/pages/section/feature....h and Fitness§ion_feature_headline=The Human Engine

David Coulthards trainer, Terry Woods, said: ?David is an athlete now - thats the best way to describe him. Theres no question that David is fitter than most English Premiership football players. And I think hes fitter than Schumacher - but not by much.?
?Davids resting pulse rate is 40 beats per minute (bpm) and at periods of intense exertion this can go up to 196 bpm and will be back down to 48 bpm, within five minutes. One of the reasons for this fast recovery is that David utilises 70 per cent of the oxygen in his lungs whereas most people only use around 50 per cent.?



Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Stuartli
It's well known that Continental footballers, in particular those playing in Italy, are far fitter than their Premiership counterparts in the majority of cases.

I presume it's due to different types of training routines. They also have superior methods of recovering after injuries and use specialists in this field to get back into action quicker.


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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - BazzaBear {P}
It's well known that Continental footballers, in particular those playing in
Italy, are far fitter than their Premiership counterparts in the majority
of cases.

Do you have a source for that? It's certainly not well-known to me.
Comparing the type of game played in England and in Italy, I would expect quite the opposite. The English game is far more physical and played at a higher pace.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
"It's well known that Continental footballers, in particular those playing in Italy, are far fitter than their Premiership counterparts in the majority of cases."

utter hogwash, I have never heard anything so far removed from the truth.

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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Stuartli
>>utter hogwash, I have never heard anything so far removed from the truth.>>

Somewhat short memories abound.

Have you already forgotten England's laboured efforts in the World Cup and contrasted them, for instance, with the gripping no holds barred, end to end semi-final match between Germany and Italy, which the latter won 2-0 in extra time after playing a large part of the game with only 10 men?

Italy, of course, went on to actually win the competition a few days later.

There are numerous instances of UK based players going abroad to see sports injuries specialists to sort out their problems and one of these, IIRC, is Michael Owen.

There are also various comments by Italian players with regard to the difference between the training routines in, for example, the UK compared to their own country and the fact that they don't seem to suffer as many injuries.

Perhaps a clue lies in this link:

www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0277.htm
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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - sgreenwood
David Coulthards trainer, Terry Woods, said: ?David is an athlete now
- thats the best way to describe him. Theres no question
that David is fitter than most English Premiership football players. And
I think hes fitter than Schumacher - but not by much.?

I certainly wouldn't expect David Coulthards personal trainer to turn around and say "he's a lump of lard - pub footballers look healthier" :-)

Seriously, the above quote shows that there really isn't much between them in terms of fitness - just that each athlete will specialise in different aspects of fitness so as to acheive in their respective careers.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Chad.R
As already said, it's probably impossible to define which one is "fitter" - even in one area like athletics, its a bit like asking whether a 100M sprinter, a Marathon runner or a decathlete would be fittest.

To compete at the highest level at most sports (baring Snooker, darts etc. ;-)) you have to be extremely fit.

Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - The Lawman
They key surely is in the word "fit"

It needs a different type of fitness to play football than it does to drive an F1 car. So you could be fit to play football but not fit to drive the car, and vice versa.

In my opinion the athletes with the best overall fitness are boxers.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Adam {P}
Kickboxers.

My mate's into it big time and can run for miles without breaking a sweat. Wouldn't think it to look at him but he could drop me in about 5 seconds and I'm at least a foot taller than him and have about 6 stone over him.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
Wet Lettuce could drop you in about 5 seconds
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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Adam {P}
Oh yeah? Wanna make something of it?
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
Oh yeah? Wanna make something of it?


My lettuce leaf is shivering in fear. - Oh no its just blowing in the breeze
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Adam {P}
>>My lettuce leaf is shivering in fear. - Oh no its just blowing in the breeze<<

You little.....

I'm just going out for a run, then a cycle, then a high speed motorway drive to prep myself and then (and only then) will I sort you out.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - landmarked
Neither of them would be as fit as a Tour de France cyclist. From the days before they had a breakfast of EPO and male growth hormone, obviously.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Hamsafar
Well one things for sure, a Tour De France man or a Motocycle GP man can fall off, and what do they do? they tumble along the tarmac, then shake their fists and try to carry on, often they race with broken bones etc... from previous falls only days or weeks before.
A poncey footballer wears makeup, trips over a daisy and falls on the grass crying like a big baby and then they're off for months, years or career over due to injury. What a contrast!
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - machika
Neither of them would be as fit as a Tour de
France cyclist. From the days before they had a breakfast
of EPO and male growth hormone, obviously.


I remember a top cyclist in Superstars, a Swiss guy, I think. I seem to recall he was rubbish in Superstars.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - J Bonington Jagworth
I think you'll find that the fittest people on the planet are ballet dancers...
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Robin Reliant
F1 drivers and GP bike racers have to develop a high level of all round fitness, and do well in all rounder events like Superstars. In physical sports the fitness is much more specific to the type of events in which they compete. Cyclists, for example, despite having a very high level of physical fitness are often hopeless and un co-ordinated at other disciplines. The worst ever competitor in Superstars was Tour de france winner Joop Zotemelk who was so bad that even the comentators were falling about laughing.

Alan Prost is a regular and high placed competitor in the Etape du Tour, a mass participation event which follows a mountain stage of the Tour de France each year. Troy Bayliss is another top class cyclist and it has been said he could have had a pro career had he gone for pedals instead of an engine.

I think sportsmen have a unique drive and ability to suffer pain that the rest of us lack, and had they the particular talent and desire to succed they would have reached the top in almost any sport they went into.
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Robin Reliant, formerly known as Tom Shaw
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - machika
The worst ever competitor in Superstars was Tour de france winner Joop
Zotemelk who was so bad that even the comentators were falling
about laughing.


That's the fellow I remember.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - nutty_nissan
To deal with such extreme demands, a driver has to be physically and mentally prepared in a way that is unique in professional sport. He uses every major muscle group in the body, so he can?t train in one specific way, like a runner might train for the 800 metres, or a swimmer for breaststroke. He needs to have the upper-body strength of a boxer, the reactions of a fighter pilot and the stamina and aerobic fitness of a long distance runner.

footballers would have a tough time coping in a F1 race.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - BobbyG
Seem to remember Brian Jacks (Judo) was a regular winner at Superstars?

Re cycling , just read Graeme Obree's autobiography - great book and the stamina building that he did at his peak was scary. One throwaway comment was that his family went away to holiday in Nairn (they lived in Kilmarnock). The family went in the car but he just went on his bike and met up with them in the evening. A distance of over 200 miles. A lot of the time he used his track bike (ungeared, or rather one very high gear) on the roads to build up his stamina as well.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - wemyss
A top footballer has to be dedicated and disciplined. Take Gazza for instance, he would stop drinking at least an hour before a match and never more than one pint at half time.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - BobbyG
Apart from when he played for Rangers and at half time in a game against Celtic he nipped into the boardroom and downed a double whisky before running out on to the pitch for the second half!
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
And Graham Hill would drink Champagne by the quart prior to a race.


The levels required from modern sportsmen preclude that kind of behaviour these days. Not least because of the vast sums of money they earn and the paymasters demand full value all the time.
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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - barchettaman
...From the days before they had a breakfast of EPO and male growth hormone, obviously.......

In days gone by it was a steady intake of amphetimines IIRC. Allegedly what did for Tommy Simpson on the col de Ventoux - what a cracking documentary that was on BBC4.

I think Button put his success down partly last year to an improved fitness routine.

Coulthard was quoted as saying, when Montoya broke his shoulder allegedly playing tennis ´well, that´s what happens when fat people exercise´

Nighty night.
Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - Altea Ego
Its a pity Coulthard couldnt match his acid and sharp wit with his driving skills
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Fitness of F1 drivers vs. footballers - fossyant
The worst ever competitor in Superstars was Tour de france winner Joop
Zotemelk who was so bad that even the comentators were falling
about laughing.


Hence why I went into cycling - very fit atheletes, but not necessarily skilled in other disciplines (I was rubbush at football) !
F1 drivers over pro footballers on 'fitness only' !!
Pro cyclists over most other atheletes except ultra triathlon competitors - now they are nutters ! By fitness I exclude any skill, just pure cardio vasculor performance.
 

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