Is there a problem with this site ??? - autumnboy
Recently whenever I open this site, I can open the index page no problem but if I open Discussion or Technical, you can see the page loading across the base of the page then suddenly the whole of explorer shuts down. This only happens on this site, no other.

Microsoft suggests from the "Error Reporting" to shutting down of some of the unkown 'Managed add-ons' to explorer with no effects.

I've tried allowing cookies etc. This is IE6 and XP with sp2.

I'm doing this on another PC and I know its nothing todo with motoring, but its a pain when you can't enter this site on your own PC.



Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
This is IE6 and XP with sp2

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in which case, it may or may not be this: www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/24/microsoft_flaw_up.../
The flaw, initially thought to only crash Internet Explorer, actually allows an attacker to run code on computers running Windows 2000 and Windows XP Service Pack 1 that have applied the August cumulative update to Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1, security firm eEye Digital Security told SecurityFocus on Tuesday.
.... By the following day, network administrators and users began complaining that the update, MS06-042, caused Internet Explorer to crash when browsing some sites. Three days later, security researchers at eEye discovered that the issue could be used to not just crash the browser, but to compromise PCs running Windows XP SP1 and Windows 2000.



Is there a problem with this site ???? - Citroënian {P}
Same thing happening to me, on five different computers, all running XP SP2, mostly IE6 but one with IE7 beta 3. Has been for a couple of weeks.

Saw the bulletin relating to what Dalglish mentioned, but that applies only to SP1.....me & autumn not running this. That it doesn't crash all the time points to a dodgy ad server for me.

Don't think this should be in CRQs, might be worth Khoosys hunting down the problem.



-- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Is there a problem with this site ???? - bell boy
my windows me at work has been doing this for 4 weeks now ive done everything to try and cure it but that microsoft last download does sound the reason to me i will go in in the morning and see if i can find it and kick it out
it does only happen on this site though....
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Armitage Shanks {p}
FWIW I am having no problems from home or work, XP Home, IE6 and SP2 at home no idea what the NHS provide me at work but whatever it is it doesn't crash!
Is there a problem with this site ???? - bell boy
strangely wifes computer at work (nhs) also hasnt crashed for ages yet it used to do it weekly
they now have dells she says which are slow but do work they are all networked as well
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Citroënian {P}
MS06-042 Re-release

"To be clear, this issue does not impact other versions of Internet Explorer, such as Internet Explorer on Windows XP SP2 or Internet Explorer on Windows Server 2003 or Windows Server 2003 SP1"

so it's not this causing my problems...
-- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
... so it's not this causing my problems...


lee - i read the link i quoted and was not too sure about its meaning .
as i understood it, they were saying that the crash happens to all xp machines using ie6, but that the new security hole that the crash creates applies only to sp1.
which is why i said "may or may not" in my first post.

now having looked at microsoft's site, i am still not too sure:
www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-0...x
support.microsoft.com/kb/923996/
support.microsoft.com/kb/918899

this latter link says : " When you visit a Web page that uses a custom pop-up object, Internet Explorer 6 closes unexpectedly with an error in Mshtml.dll. This issue occurs after you install security update 918899 on a computer that runs Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) or on a computer that runs Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 (SP1). A hotfix is available if you are severely affected by this issue. For more information about this issue, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 923996 (support.microsoft.com/kb/923996/) When you visit a Web page that uses a custom pop-up object, Internet Explorer 6 closes unexpectedly

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Hamsafar
Also try updating Flash and Macromedia plugins, as there was a version of these that caused IE to unexpectedly quit when certain sites with certain content were visited, and this site seems to have a few animated adverts.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - bell boy
i deleted these weeks ago
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Citroënian {P}
My quote is from one of my oft visited blogs - that of Microsoft's own security response center, the people who write the fixes for vulnerabilities. That was from Stephen Toulouse : blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2006/08/22/448689.a...x

You might be right there D; will run the updated patch and see how I get on!

Thanks



-- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
will run the updated patch and see how I get on

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lee - apparently the updated patch applies only to the security issue caused by the crash in sp1 - see
support.microsoft.com/kb/923762/
"install the new security update 918899 (MS06-042) that was released on August 24, 2006. This new security update addresses the problem that this article describes for customers who use Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1. Only customers who use Internet Explorer 6 SP1 are affected. All other customers should continue their deployments of the original security update 918899. For more information about security update 918899...."

however, from your blog link, that links to another blog
blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/22/711402.aspx
where the crash with sp2 (but which does not cause a security issue) is mentioned.
re: Update coming for IE 6.0 SP1 security vulnerability
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:34 AM by Espen Antonsen, 24SevenOffice
Will this update fix the createPopup issue as well? A lot of our customers are reporting to us that IE is crashing when they use our web-application 24SevenOffice. This occurs due to a bug caused by using the createPopup function after the latest update is applied. This issue is not related to the IE6SP1/HTTP1.1 problem as the reports I have got customers used IE6SP2.

Can you please make a statement to whether this issue will be fixed in the upcoming update?

For more info and example see the following pages at comcept.net:

www.comcept.net/notify/kb918899/kb918899%20Stateme...m

www.comcept.net/crash.htm

Thank you,
Espen Antonsen
24SevenOffice
# Hotfix 923996 for popup issue
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:53 AM by AH
There now is a hotfix available from Microsoft for the popup issue. It is so far only available through Microsoft support; you must call and ask for hotfix 923996 for Windows XP or for Windows 2003. Such calls into Microsoft are free.
As there are so many users suffering from this issue after deploying MS06-42, I would hope Microsoft includes the hotfix that fixes the popup issue into the re-release of MS06-42 as well.


so it seems that either you remove the original patch and/or wait for a update to sp2, or phone microsoft for the hotfix, or use firefox.

by the way, i use xp sp2 with ie6 but have had no problems on any site including this one.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Citroënian {P}
D,

Yes, sorry, I understood what you meant - it's odd that MS don't freely distribute the fixes for some problems; I meant in my post that I'd get one of our techies to get hold of this and give it a go.

Thanks
Lee

-- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
>>it's odd that MS don't freely distribute the fixes for some problems;>>

Actually Microsoft does freely distribute patches, updates etc. It's called WindowsUpdate..:-)

If you Enable, or already have enabled, WindowsUpdate from the Security Center (US spelling) any intermittent updates etc are downloaded automatically as well as the normal second Tuesday in the month versions.

When updates are being downloaded and installed, as you may be aware, a small yellow shield appears in the Taskbar.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
stuartli -

i think you may have missed the point here. microsoft are not distributing this particular hotfix except to those people who specifically contact their support. to repeat

"There now is a hotfix available from Microsoft for the popup issue. It is so far only available through Microsoft support; you must call and ask for hotfix 923996 for Windows XP or for Windows 2003. Such calls into Microsoft are free. "


Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
>>I think you may have missed the point here>

No I don't think I have. In fact I donwloaded the update direct from the Microsoft website as soon as I learned about it earlier in the day. See:

www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-0...x
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Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
>>I think you may have missed the point here>.

PS

Although I use WindowsUpdate, I usually download all MS critical updates etc manually as soon as they are released (second Tuesday in the month) as automatic updating can take a while (probably to prevent the servers being overloaded).

It's done from:

www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-a...x

Microsoft posted the fix for 042 on the Security home page:

www.microsoft.com/technet/security/default.mspx
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Is there a problem with this site ???? - Pica
I have the same problem and can only view this site with Firefox on one PC but my notebook running the same version of OS on a VLA licence does not have a problem. It is only relating to this website
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
...view this site with Firefox ...


that is the solution,
unless, as microsoft say, you are prepared to wait or contact their support team:
" A hotfix is available if you are severely affected by this problem. Otherwise, we recommend that you wait for the next cumulative security update for Internet Explorer ... ....
To resolve this problem immediately, contact Microsoft Product Support Services to obtain the hotfix. ...."


Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
>>MS06-042 Re-release >>

It does apply to XP + SP2 and the others you list: See:

www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-0...x


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Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
.. It does apply to XP + SP2 and the others you list: See:

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stuartli - i disagree. it does not apply to sp2. the patch remains unchanged from the original.

may i suggest you check out the links to the sof tware updates there. you will find that the updatefile version for sp2 is the original issue at 1st august 06, and that the sp1 update re-update is issue as at 24 august 06.

you need a forensic mind to follow details of software changelogs.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
>>stuartli - i disagree. it does not apply to sp2. the patch remains unchanged from the original.>>

Sorry, but I beg to disagree...:-)

The August 24th MS website's 042 update clearly details:

"Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2"

in the list of software affected: www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-0...x

The quoted line is, in fact, a cut and paste.
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Is there a problem with this site ???? - oldgit
my windows me at work has been doing this for 4
weeks now ive done everything to try and cure it but
that microsoft last download does sound the reason to me i
will go in in the morning and see if i can
find it and kick it out
it does only happen on this site though....


Every good reason to stop downloading the microsoft updates that abound. I know I have, as their recent ones have caused more problems than they are supposed to solve - so stop updating, I say!
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Avant
This really is another world and another language, isn't it! I do hope I never have these problems (I'm on Windows XP) as I certainly wouldn't have a clue what to do about it....

I expect the mods will move this to computer-related Qs - I certainly would if I were a mod!
Is there a problem with this site ???? - bell boy
what if you were a rocker though?
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dulwich Estate
Many (including me) are suffering with this latest incompetence from Microsoft. I would ask mods to indulge us a little longer - yes, it's a computer issue,but isn't this a site accessed from.... um... er... a computer. No access - no site.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Avant
Fair point, DE - it's obviusly a serious problem for some but it was getting to the point where mere mortals like me couldn't understand a word of what was being said.

Anyway I hope someone comes up with a solution that a layman can underatnd and apply.

Oldman - brilliant - but it certainly dates you and me! I can remember the wonderful remark of a Brighton magistrate after a scooter v motorbike riot (motoring-related!!) one bank holiday - he called them 'petty little sawdust Caesars'.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - stevied
oldman, I refer you to my comments on the discussion "takes all sorts". You've proved my point: stimulating, if baffling debate, interespersed with humour.

If I was wearing a hat, I would take it off to you.

: )
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Red Baron
At home I am having no problems, using all of the up-to-date software versions (XP, IE, Netscape). Only at work is there the odd glitch when our Websense security system blocks some of the pop-ups. In fact this has only started happening recently, so either the pop-ups contian illegal data or Websense has reduced the tolerance of pop-ups.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - cheddar
No problems here on SP2 / IE6.

Reading between the lines it seems they thought that the problem was when applying the update to IE6 when running Win 2000 or XP SP1 though subsequently realised that it can effect SP2 if it is not fully patched in which case running Windows Update or Microsoft Update should sort it out.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
... No problems here on SP2 / IE6 ..


cheddar - as i understand it, the problem is this: there was a security flaw which affected various microsoft operating systems. the problem was addresses by a fix issued as a security update in the 2nd week of august. however, this fix has resulted in many (but not all) systems running sp1, sp2 etc. crashing in conjuction with certain web sites that use a particular type of pop-up. in addition, it was discovered that the crash mechanism exposed only sp1 machines to a new security flaw. the latest updateissued yesterday to fix the mid-august update fixes only the security hole in sp1 caused by the crash. the crash problem remians unless you specifically request microsoft for a "hotfix", and that "hotfix" is currently (as of yesterday) planned to be released to everyone via auto-updates in the mid-september rollout of patches.

as to which sp2/ie6 machines are affected - it depends on a mixture of what other software and hardware you have, including pop-up blockers, spyware, firewalls etc. you are using.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Stuartli
I think that the problem may be that people are confusing IE SP1 updates with Windows XP SP1 updates.
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Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
that people are confusing IE SP1 updates with Windows XP SP1 updates

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ie6-sp1 applies to xp-sp1.

ie6-sp1 does not apply to xp-sp2.

ie6 for xp-sp2 is a special xp2 altogether.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
ie6 for xp-sp2 is a special xp2 altogether


should read "ie6 for xp-sp2 is a special ie6 xp2 altogether"

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Baskerville
>> that people are confusing IE SP1 updates with Windows XP
SP1 updates
>>
ie6-sp1 applies to xp-sp1.
ie6-sp1 does not apply to xp-sp2.
ie6 for xp-sp2 is a special xp2 altogether.


Good grief! And people say Linux is too complicated.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - R75
I am not sure, but, in the last couple of weeks I think the ad agency has starting using a different type of pop up, I havent done any up dates on my pc's for a number of months and yet my pop up blocker is doing overtime on this site at the moment - alot of dell pop ups and dating type pop ups, which is perplexing swmbo and giving me some trouble as to why I am looking at those sites (explaining that they are pop ups does no good to a non techie!!) even with the blocker on the odd one still gets through and that is using FF not IE.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - local yokel
XP Pro SP2 + FireFox 1.5.0.6 + Adblock runs fine. The only site it does have problems with is ba.com, which seems to run some Java that causes problems if I have too many tabs open.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Statistical outlier
An unrelated query - the new tags on the site don't appear to be working properly this afternoon. At one point everything was marked as new, now the new doesn't seem to cancel after an article has been read.

Is this a problem local to me (I've emptied caches etc on Firefox) or does something at HJs end need resetting?
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Statistical outlier
...and of course as soon as I post about it, the problem appears to be resolved.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
Sorry, but I beg to disagree...:-) .... The quoted line is, in fact, a cut and paste. - - - - - - - - What's for you
won't pass you by

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sturatli - my understanding of english must be different to yours. ok, arguably, microsoft do not make it easy. but the changelog (right at the bottom) on the link you are quoting makes clear what the re-issued patch is about, and further if you inspect each software update link, you will see that the only file version to be changed is that affecting sp1.

go to support.microsoft.com/kb/918899
there you will see listed "known issues"

the first one,
support.microsoft.com/kb/923762/
affecting sp1, has been fixed with the re-issued update

the second one, affecting sp2,
support.microsoft.com/kb/923996/
has not.

and, despite what you believe, i repeat again, for this 2nd issue affecting sp2 only, "There now is a hotfix available from Microsoft for the popup issue. It is so far only available through Microsoft support; you must call and ask for hotfix 923996 for Windows XP ". the hotfix info is at support.microsoft.com/kb/923996/

i think i have said enough on this issue to try and sift through the difficult logic used by microsoft in explaining the problem, and will refrain from adding any more. even if i do not agree with the replies.

people have been bored enough.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dynamic Dave
people have been bored enough.


Quite!

Please now give it rest. It's not a competition.

DD.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - autumnboy
Thanks for all your replies.

1) I did'nt have SP1 or SP1a.

2) I did'nt have any up-dates from Microsoft.

So none or any list of links to the above proved to be the cause of my problem.

The route of the problem was either a corrupt version SP2, for which I've used many times for others, or after I un-installed SP2 and tried connecting to this site. I was asked to install by a pop-up "Adobe Flash Player 9 ActiveX".

This as it seems, has cured the problem. I shall re-install SP2 at a later date when all seems OK after a week or so and see what happens..

thanks again.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
just to update this thread -

as of 2nd november 2006, microsoft have issued a public hotfix the solution to the problem mentioned in my posts above.

despite the belief to the contrary by some people, it does apply to windows-xp-sp2 and windows-server-2003.

support.microsoft.com/kb/923996/

"When you visit a Web page that uses a custom pop-up object, Internet Explorer 6 closes unexpectedly ...
...
If Windows Error Reporting is disabled, you may not receive any visual notification when an unrecoverable error occurs. In some cases, you may receive an error message that resembles the following:
IEXPLORE.EXE - Application Error
The instruction at "0x7dc9d031" referenced memory at "0x00000020". The memory could not be "read".
Click on OK to terminate the program.
Click on CANCEL to debug the program.

...
RESOLUTION
Update information
The following files are available for download from the Microsoft Download Center:
...
(www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=...8-
9A58-D701D2E60C1D&displaylang=en)

....

Prerequisites
The following list contains prerequisites for the update:? Internet Explorer 6
? Security update 918899
? Windows XP SP2 or Windows Server 2003 SP1
...

Is there a problem with this site ???? - tr7v8
Easily resolved use Firefox, now converted at home & heaps better. Can't here because this is a works machine.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - Dalglish
Easily resolved use Firefox ..


does that help people such as this one (on a computing forum):
"This happens to me when I go to click on certains links with pages on the Web. So far, the only common thread I can find is that it happens when I click on links that use applets. I do have Java enabled in my browser and this happens whether I am using IE or FireFox. ...." ?

it has to be a trial and error solution because the problem seems to be affecting only some computers running xp-sp2 and on some web pages only, and seems to be unrelated to firefox or ie6.

Is there a problem with this site ???? - AlastairW
This annoying fault happened to me for a while. With DD's help I pinpointed the problem and downloaded the latest version of Adobe Flash, as well as moving to IE7. No problems since.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - wemyss
Have never been able to use macromedia flash shockwave as it crashes IE constantly on XP sp2.
Did exactly as yourself last week Alastair with IE7 and the latest version of flash.
Everyhing works well. touch wood....
Is there a problem with this site ???? - L'escargot
as well as moving to IE7. No problems
since.

>>

Slightly off-topic but are you completely happy with IE7? I haven't taken the plunge yet.
--
L\'escargot.
Is there a problem with this site ???? - Honestjohn
Very many thanks for that posting, Dalglish. Much appreciated.

HJ
 

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