There is a huge scandal in India with VW.
They were supposed to be building a plant there in Andhra Pradesh, but the employees of VW setup an intermediary company and demanded grants from local governments which they paid into this company and siphoned off. Wherever there is lots of money, the tempatation is too much for some people not to take a cut.
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>>Bungs go on everywhere, one man bands to huge companys.
Every thread I've ever read of yours slags VW, get over it or seek proffesional help.
If Hondas are so good tell us about them, sell us Honda and we'll forget VW......or will we ;-)<<
I definitely do not like VW's after being treated so badly by them and for being so loyal for so long.
Along with that I just tend to pass on issues that I read elsewhere.
I did not make up the story about VW accepting bungs - The Sunday times did.
I did not make up the story about a new Golf coming out becuase the current one is so expensive to make - the motoring press did.
I did not score VW so poorly in customer statisfaction surveys because I do not own one - the owners do.
I also mentioned in my previous thread on image that Honda were so much better than VW in my experience.
The thing is there is not much to report on Hondas - in fact they are a bit boring - they do what they are so supposed to do very well without letting me down.
Plus any experience I have of the dealers is also very good.
They engineer their cars better than most and sell on that basis r as the Independent put it:
"Poor old Honda. It makes some of the best cars on the market, but no one wants to know. Well, not quite no one. It made 3 million cars worldwide last year, so it's not that lonely for the company out there."
I will continue to add my views - based on my own personal experience on VW when the thread deems so.
I just add to other threads - I do not start many (some I do) slagging VW.
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Type 'S' the mistake you've made is mentioning the "other place" wonder how it got past the swear filter !
Manual swear filter invoked. :-) smokie, BR Moderator
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Now I do need help - what is the other place ?
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st? it was never the same since they came back after the big strike in my opinion.........
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The ST indeed.
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710 ??
Not for me.
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PS my last couple of threads were extoling the virtues of Lexus customer care and the Honda Jet - I did not mention the peoples car once.
My shrink told me that was very good and I should continue trying.
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Actually he said I should continue not be trying.
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Lexus, another symbol of success I don't aspire too.
IF I won the lottery last night (have'nt checked wednesdays yet either) I'd still drive budget VWs, maybe even second hand ones.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're missing out on.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're missing out on.
Inform me, will it get me to work safer, quicker, quieter, will I be more popular or as I see it more metal sat on the drive losing money faster
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Bribes, kickbacks, slush funds - call them what you will - they are part of the "Cost of Doing Business" in some parts of the World. Do you really think that the British arms manufacturers sell their stuff in the Middle East without oiling the palms of intermediaries? It has always gone on in Defence and now it has reached the car marker as that is worth so much money. Also it is being exposed more as there is more investigative journalism.
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Even the bible speaks of back handers, did Herod drive a "car of note" ;-)
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did Herod drive a "car of note" ;-)
What - Herod drove a Nissan Note ?
Ok I get the point - Herod bribed a few people back in whenever it was so it is ok for VW to do it as well.
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>>Lexus, another symbol of success I don't aspire too.<<
I digress from the point of the thread here but it amazes me how the VW owners come over all defensive and accuse back roomers of being anti VW and they should stop it - only to come out with derogatory comments about other makes as above. A bit of pot and kettle going on here. Its the same with stuartli slagging the most reliable car in the UK - the Jazz. They then proceed to tell us to get over our anti VW threads - or words to that affect.
Why can't we just share our views on motoring as we do - it's not personal.
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Bribes, kickbacks, slush funds - call them what you will - they are part of the "Cost of Doing Business"
Thats true but very disappointing because at the end of the day it affects Joe Public.
If all this is true then VW are buying parts that may be of inferior quality to an alternative brand because the alternative brand are not paying the back handers.
This could manifest itself in poor reliability.
Car makers should buy parts based on quality cost and delivery - not the size of a bung.
That is why it is wrong and should not be brushed off without thinking there will be consequences for people.
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4 year old Lexus petrol or new Golf diesel, I chose the car I could afford to buy and run.
Nearly 6 years ago I was single and had money in the bank. I'm now attached, own home (money pit) and I'm skint. I chose a 5 door car that I could keep for a few years whatever the circumstances, I think I chose well (for me and no one else).
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>>Its the same with stuartli slagging the most reliable car in the UK - the Jazz. >>
I didn't slag off the entire production of the Jazz, merely the example mentioned.
I'm as much an admirer of Japanese quality and reliability as anyone whether it's cars, hi-fi, cameras etc.
In fact I've owned, still owned or used Pentax, Canon, Nikon, Minoltoa, Yashica and other famous brands camera models since the late 1950s; still use a Japanese produced NAD tuner/amplifier bought in 1979 and a Hitachi tape deck from the same year and a wide choice of Seiko and Lorus watches, again bought many years ago (I've never had a Pulsar) and computer wise an Epson R300 printer (Epson is a division of Seiko).
I could give many more examples but, atlhough I've driven many dozens of Japanese cars over the years, I've never bought one, even though I've owned Morris, Ford, Fiat, Rootes and other makes during that time. The only link has been a Triumph Acclaim with the 1.3 Honda engine that served the family for more than 10 years.
In fact my lad almost cried when I decided to replace it with a Ford Escort MKII for him...:-)
But I always admired the quality of VW and that's why I've stuck with it over the years - it might just as easily have been BMW, Volvo, Renault - or even a Honda.
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My apologies stuartli - I misunderstood.
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My apologies stuartli - I misunderstood.>>
No problem..:-)
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Dear oh dear, I must be really out of touch these days - the last piece of NAD hi-fi I bought was made in the UK!
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Or, at least, I thought it was...
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Or, at least, I thought it was...>>
You're probably confusing the fact that it was UK based and the resulting designs were originally manufactured in Japan.
Later models are produced in Taiwan, but I'm not sure about these days where they are manufactured.
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>>Later models are produced in Taiwan, but I'm not sure about these days where they are manufactured.>>
The brain is addled as the other half is not very well...:-)
Later, production switched to Taiwan, but I'm not sure where they are manufactured these days.
Always a noted keenly priced, but excellent quality hi-fi range.
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draggin this back to corrupt car making.
Much as I dislike stuff eminating from Wolfsburg, I have to leap to VWs defence here.
Corruption is not limited to VW. Indeed who is corrupt, VW or the Peugeot owned parts firm that paid the bribes. This is rife throught the industry, including the US, and even stretches into government who might, without some lubrication, bring in some inconvenient legislation.
However the defence and aerospace industries makes the car industry look like saints.
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>>However the defence and aerospace industries make the car industry look like saints.>>
No argument at all with that statement.
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You're not wrong TVM. How could I become Sir Pugugly I wonder ?
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