Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Well, Nicole is looking for a new car. Brand new car. The criteria is aircon, smallish, aircon, bigger boot than current clio, aircon, good looking, aircon, and "good gears" (whatever that means in nicole speak) - oh and aircon.

So thats a supermini then - Cars considered so far

C3 - dont like
Jazz - to expensive, (my best friend does not like her jazz) (its a honda - dont like honda's)
Pug 207 - dont like - pugs have "bad gears"?
Micra - dont like "its a noddy car" (except the CC - but too dear and no boot)
Polo - like this but too dear with aircon.
Mitsubishi colt -a lot of car for not much money, Trade sales have shed loads at 6.5k BUT boot too small.
Fiesta - Its a ford, its got ford gears

we are left with a shortlist.

Seat Ibiza
New Renault clio
New Toyota Yaris.

So with that in mind, today we had a test drive at out local Seat Dealer. Nice friendly dealer -no pressure, test drive was booked previously and was a "where is your driving license, sign this form, give me your old keys, here are the keys to the car, bring it back in an hour or so and have fun"

So we had a 1.4 ibiza sport for an hour. N was interested in a 1.4 stylance. Well, do we like the Ibiza or what! we do. Its quiet, nippy, roomy, responsive, "good gears", good driving position (Nicole is 5'3" so a good driving postion is hard to find) powerful aircon, and is a real looker.
The sports ride however is too jiggly and hard, and the stereo is rubbish. So if the stylance has a better ride - this is 1st favourite.

Next test drive, is the clio.



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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Citroënian {P}
All these cars and yet no Fabia. Shame on you all! Shame!

You'll be telling me next that young ladies wouldn't be seen dead in a Fabia... ;-)


Lee -- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
I said "what about a skoda"

I stil havent had any yet.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Nsar
We have had a Yaris from new that hasn't given an ounce of problems over two years and is laughably easy to drive. I don't drive it very often but even in 1.0 size it's fine around town and quite sophisticated. I'd imagine the 1.3 would be quite capable on the motorway.

All I'd add is keep an eye out for free insurance deals which seem common in this category.

Nicole - New car - adverse camber
What about the swift or is that too small ?
Nicole - New car - machika
What about the swift or is that too small ?


The boot is small.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Is it? I havent checked it out, but I assumed it was. Its a pity about the Colt. Trade sales are doing very very good deals on what is a quite an attractive car with a lot of toys for the price. The boot is miniscule tho.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Scott H
The Swift's boot is small, but not Colt small!

Boot sizes (seats up):

Mitsubishi Colt 155 litres
Suzuki Swift 213 litres
Ford Fiesta 253 litres
Seat Ibiza 267 litres
Toyota Yaris 272 litres
Renault Clio 288 litres
Honda Jazz 353 litres

Nicole - New car - Waino
We hired a Seat Ibiza in Spain - very smart, very nippy, thoroughly enjoyed it. It wasn't the sport and so over-firmness of the ride was not an issue. I was not even put off when a cyclist overtook me downhill in the Sierra Nevada - I never was a great one for heights.
Nicole - New car - oldgit
Like the look of the new Clio very much EXCEPT for those dreadful looking exterior door handles which look as though they've been sprayed with Aluminium or Silver paint irrespective of what colour you choose. Also a lot of these cars are getting larger and larger. The old Clio would go into our garage but the new one won't or at least not very easily, which rules it out for me, I'm afraid to say.

The Ford Fiesta that my sister has and which I persuaded her to buy is a Zetec 'climate' or version thereof but again it has an agricultural ride partly due to its uprated suspension and ridiculously low profile tyres - made a faux pas there when I suggested that one - never again.

I wished she'd bought the Skoda Fabia as I had suggested or even the Seat Ibiza. Oh well, we all make mistakes at some time or other.

As I have said elsewhere, I don't like the quirky interiors of the Yaris - can't see the possible reason for putting the major instruments in the centre of the car - quite absurd.



Nicole - New car - bazza
Just took advantage of the Yaris 2 day test drive. Very impressive car (1.3 T spirit) all round, rides probably less firm than an Ibiza. Air con worked a treat but noticeable power drop when in use. 1.3 quick enough, probably a better bet than the 1.0, as the car feels heavyish. Dealer incredibly laid back about the drive, no pressure at all. Interested to see how the new Clio drives and your conclusions.
Baz
Nicole - New car - Victorbox
The gorgeously superb new Corsa is out in October, but if you can't wait until then the new Punto has the same floorpan...... but neither are a Renault.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
yes poured over the new Corsa at the motor show. It woul dbe a contender for sure except:

Expensive with aircon, not avail till october, and being new - little in the way of discounts i would assume.

Punto, good car, shame about the dealers. Didnt even make it on the shortlist for that reason.

I seem to recall the ibiza is not French?
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Buster Cambelt
Have a long drive in a new Grande Punto, I was really impressed when I got one as a hire car. Also, if the image is not too "old" try a new Kia Rio and Hyundai Getz. Both are cracking value for money and well equipped.
Nicole - New car - LeePower
Hmmmmm Kia Rio & Hyundai Getz, Wouldnt want to have an accident in either of those, The new Punto on the other hand has got a 5 star Euro NCAP safety rating.

Nicole - New car - Pugugly {P}
Nice Punto for sale in Classifieds....
Nicole - New car - bell boy
Nice Punto for sale in Classifieds....


im waiting for it to drop to £2000 then off to kick him a bit more ;-)
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
I put the rio on the list after looking at one at the Motorshow, ticked al the right boxes, ticked the price box two or three times.

But the Nicole comment was " I am not driving around in a kia"

her money - her choice!
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Chas{P}
Pug 207 - dont like - pugs have "bad gears"?


Has she actually looked at one in the flesh?

I can assure you, having driven three different models of 207, the gearchange is OK; far better than the 206.

--
Was Charles {P} but someone c o p i e d my name with spaces.
Nicole - New car - Bill Payer
We have a Jazz and an Ibiza (1.2S).

OK, the Ibiza was £7.5K and the Jazz was £10.5K. The Ibiza looks great value for money, but the Jazz is worth the difference, and of course the Jazz holds its price very well, so the real difference isn't so great.

The Jazz is coming up to 3 yrs old and hasn't had a single issue.

The Ibiza is 2 yrs old and has broken down twice (a pain because Seat dealers are not that thick on the ground in some areas) and I just booked it in for service (we took the VAG full maint deal at £20/mth based on12Kmiles/yr).
It's done 18K miles from new and, apart from service, it needs:
Rear brakes graunching
Horrendous rattle in dash
Horrendous wind noise from driver door
Noisy front suspension
Stiff/awkward gear change
Starter motor sticking (staying engaged)
Excessive noisy engine (I know it's a 3 cyl but others don't seem as bad)
Poor fuel consumption (the Jazz does easy 45MPG, the Ibiza does 35MPG)
'Mushy' ignition switch (maybe they're all like that).

I would also recommend avoiding the 3 door - the single doors are huge, and very heavily sprung, so getting in and out in a tight space is extremely awkward. If you do get a 3 door, then make sure the pasenger seat slides to allow access to the back - this was an option on ours, only £125, but we had to ask for it.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
>> Pug 207 - dont like - pugs have "bad gears"?
Has she actually looked at one in the flesh?
I can assure you, having driven three different models of 207,
the gearchange is OK; far better than the 206.


No we havent looked at one, we drove a friends 206. Hence all peugeots have "bad gears"


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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Avant
Olivia (elder daughter) is on her second 1.3 Yaris - loved the first and loves this one too. No problems whatsoever with the first over 33,000 miles in 2 years, and this one (new shape) is fine so far.

The list price for a 1.3 T3 Yaris is about the same as a Jazz SE, but we got a good PX / PCP deal whereby she is paying the same amount per month as for the old one. A 1.3 Yaris is less roomy than the Jazz but much livelier, despite having similar power.

As someone has mentioned, you should add the Suzuki Swift to the shortlist - list price is a lot lower. I haven't tried one but Aprilia got one for a relation, and you may remember there was a lovely lady called Alijazz who came on this forum thinking about a Punto but ended up with a Swift (which she liked) after someone had suggested she try one.

Sadly she disappeared when some prat accused her of being paid by Suzuki, which was patently not the case given that she initially wanted a Fiat.

Pity she needs the boot space - SWMBO's MINI is a week old and we both love it. Fold down the back seat backrests and you can get quite a lot in.

So, if it helps, my shortlist would be:

Yaris 1.3
Fabia 1.4 (this must have the biggest boot surely)
Swift 1.5
Clio 1.4

(assuming she doesn't want a diesel)

Long shot -

MINI One (or Cooper - there's not as much difference as people think, at least at legal speeds)

Keep us posted - this must be a sector that interests lots of us.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Oh yes N does want a mini, best friend has a mini convertable. But boot too small and its too dear,
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Oh Dear

Big row today.

Well we went to Renault, and tested the clio. Car tested was a 1.4 dynamique. This is a very grown up car indeed. It really does drive, ride and sound like a much bigger car. Its quiet, very good ride quality, good seats - all in all its a cracker. The interior fit and finish is impressive, good quality plastics, easily meets current industry best. Lot of room inside.

I can probablly get the required wagon for about 10k with 0% finance . so it makes it 1.5k dearer than the Ibiza. but with the 0% the cost to change over 4 years is very similar.


I am doing my best to broaden the choice I really am. We stopped off on the way back where there is a Toyota garage and a Ford garage. A poke around at the Yaris garnered a very less than enthusiastic look from Nicole. ( I have to say the interior style and quality looks and feels like a cheap Hinari stereo from Currys after sitting in the clio) and when the salesman said the two day test drive was in a 1.0, that got a withering look. I made the mistake of saying "thats the three cylinder then" We were not happy about having a test in a car with one cylinder short of clio.

Then the row "lets have a look at a fiesta" I says. We look at it from 15 yards away. " I am not having one, its pooey" Refused to sit in it , or look at the vast boot. I mentioned that she was being irrational, and we then had a very large row in the Ford showroom.

Looks like a new Clio 1.4 expression (or dynamique) will be on the drive of TVM towers, and Nicole will not be called Conchita. (or Lotus Blossum)





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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Nsar
Given that you seemed to have got this boxed off in the space of one weekend, I'd be heading off down the pub to award myself a celebratory pint.
Nicole - New car - Bill Payer
Well we went to Renault, and tested the clio. Car tested
was a 1.4 dynamique. This is a very grown up car
indeed.

Funny that, we had a Clio 1.6RXE when the series II first came out (new in 1998) and we thought it drove like a much bigger car. The problem with that is that you lose the fun element of a small car - it all seems slow witted and dull. It was amazing how the basic 1.0L courtesy car I got when ours was being serviced was actually more enjoyable to drive.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Stop press, - I have convinced Nicole to look a a peugeot as well. - Next weekend.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - psi
What about a KA?, £7,590 w/AC for the 1.3i, very popular choice amongst young women in my end of the woods.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Ka, = too small
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - type's'
TVM - please report back on progress - this story is great.
At least Nicole knows her mind - you should be grateful for that - all I get is "well a car is a car - I'm not bothered what I drive" and she treats it that way too.
Nicole - New car - LeePower
She wont like it, She will end up with the Clio.

New 207 is to big & heavy for the weedy engines that pull it along, The gearchange is typical Pug, RUBBISH & also check out the joke they call the glovebox.
Tight lazy french couldnt be bothered to move the fuse box for right hand drive so you get an extra small cubby hole glovebox you cant fit anything in.

ESP is an optional extra on most & basic spec 207s dont come with all the airbags the higher spec cars do, Also base spec doenst have aircon as standard.

Nicole - New car - type's'
What about the Nissan Note - cheap finance at the moment (not 0% though) - free reversing sensors as well.
I reckon you could do a deal with Nissan dealer as well to get more money off.
Nicole - New car - type's'
PS - Air Con on the SE that starts at £11K
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Nicole comment of the day

"Note? it looks like a van."
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - type's'
She does have a point.

I guessed it was a long shot after I posted because I think it also looks a bit Jazzy - Honda Jazzy that is and you did say she does not like the Jazz.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
OMG -

Panic in Schloss TVM. Someone left Nicoles cage open, she has escaped and been to the local Peugeot dealer on her own. She has now driven and likes the 207 as much as the clio and the salesman has filled her pretty little head with tales of " we can match any deal on a monthly basis"

I know nothing about the Pug,

HELP!
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Citroënian {P}
If I know anything about the fairer sex, it's that once their mind is made up, there's little in the way or reasoning and rationality that will change it-

would just wonder what they mean by "match any deal month by month"? Maybe same repayments, but same period / deposit / endpayment?

You might have to let this one go, had the worst row imaginable with SWMBO obeyed over white or silver wheels and white or black roof on a MINI. Never did settle it and went a third way for another colour altogether.

I think you may need some help from Polo(Golf)Girl who understands these pretty, irrational things better {runs}


Lee -- You know, it\'s not like changing toothpaste
Nicole - New car - LeePower
I hope the Pug dealer is pretty nearby, She will be on first name terms with the service department if she buys a 207.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
"would just wonder what they mean by "match any deal month by month"? Maybe same repayments, but same period / deposit / endpayment?"

Yes indeedy, it sounds like a part finance plan, ie money up front, 36 x ££££ and ££££ to keep the car or use to buy another. What I want to know is where does the equity to put down on another car come from if you have to pay ££££ to keep the current one.

I think the Renault 0% finance may make the pug too pricey in comparison. Just readthe HJ road test on the pug, seems to like it. The car in question would be the 1.4 S with aircon. Question is 8 valve or 16 valve - which is better.

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Nicole - New car - LeePower
1360cc 8 valve 75 BHP TU3 lump is well proven over the years but will struggle to pull the 207s hefty body along.

The new 1360cc 16 valve ET3 lump is according to a mate who is a Peugeot technician described as the biggest pile of ( word I cannot use on this forum ) that Peugeot have produced in years.

Basically its a TU3 bottom end with a new fancy 16 valve VVT head stuck on it & pumps out 90 BHP, That's before it blows the head gasket ( which Peugeot already know about ) but that would just get fixed under warranty.
Nicole - New car - Pugugly {P}
If all else fails you can appeal to her ethical side viz a viz the Coventry closure....
Nicole - New car - bignick
Equity???

You arent supposed to have any equity - just turn the car back to the dealer and start a new deal - they will be perfectly happy with you paying them £200 or so a month for ever and giving you a new car every 3 years.

Of course over 30 years or so you will have paid them £72,000 and you still wont actually own a car!

Nicole - New car - daveyjp
After the horror stories of problems with early 307s I'd avoid the 207 for at least three years. Let early adopters suffer the car bursting in to flames for no reason!
Nicole - New car - y2k+4
The 207 was an OK car. It seemed very soul-less when I test-drove one, lacking in character compared to the FIAT Grande Punto, which was oozing with charisma in my opinion. That said, the steering was better in the 207...

Something to note with the French offerings:

Clio: Expression trim is necessary for the "good" interior trim, otherwise the colours and materials feel a lot cheaper.
207: I suspect the Sport and GT fronted-versions will hold their value better and something to note if she intends to use the back-seats even semi-regularly will be to upgrade to a version with the sports-front-seats, otherwise the bulky S-one's eat into already snug rear legroom - at least when compared to Clio and Grande Punto. Also the 8v 1.4 engine was gutless in a 206 I drove once, in a 207 I dare not think how slow it must feel.
Nicole - New car - Wally Zebon
What about the Clio 1.5 DCi (86BHP) instead of a 1.4. Its fast, but it's secret weapon is that it falls into band B tax bracket unlike the higher AND lower powered deisels. So you get the same car, with a really good engine and it only costs you £50 a year to tax!

By the way, we just drove from Scotland to Lincolnshire in one and it was comfy as a sofa! We're currently toying with the idea of getting a second one!

Nicole - New car - LeePower
Nothing wrong with my 1.4 8 valve 206, Nippy & does 3 figure speeds easily while it sips fuel & costs £100 a year in tax thanks to low emmisions.
Nicole - New car - cheddar
End of line MkII Clio or perhaps Mk I Yaris?

Wouldn't touch a Peugeot.

Jazz?

Unlike many hatches the new Clio actually looks best as a 5 door, the new Yaris is fine, the face lift Fiesta is very nice, great engines, petrol or diesel and really fun to drive.

Disagree with Bill Payer, we have a 1.6 RXE Clio and the big engine in smaller car works, not exactly a rocket ship with the 'only' 90bhp 8v motor though very torquey, more flexible than the 1.6 16v and quite fun to drive even five up. Has averaged 39mpg over 37000 miles.
Nicole - New car - Xileno {P}
Just give her your cheque book and let her buy what she wants. Women know best - at least if you want a quiet life.
Nicole - New car - ukbeefy
What exactly does Nicole (Mrs TVM) transport that requires such a large boot? Most people drive around with nothing much in a boot except supermarket shopping which surely will fit in any of the suggested vehicles.

Given that you don't want to spend all the time in a service department dealing with French electrics and cheap plastic trim falling off can you not steer her towards a better built car than a Pug or a renault eg the Swift option which also will mean she's being just a bit original...not everyone at the sunbed/nailbar centre will have one unlike a Mini or clio......
Nicole - New car - Xileno {P}
Clio3 is a very well built car. At least the 'Expression' model I looked at was. Very close to VW cabin quality IMO, certainly a big improvement on the MK2.
Nicole - New car - mss1tw
If you mean the one that has just been replaced then I totally agree, very solid little cars.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Unfourtunately its not the job when she was a Sales rep for cadbury and had several zillion cream eggs in the car.

Post her degree, she is taking up a post as the senior community childrens nurse for NW surrey, and will be doing approx 1000 miles a month with a shed load of medical type stuff. So it all needs to be out of sight.

Hence the requiement.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - PW
Has she had a look at a Modus- got the sliding rear seat so could be altered for work / pleasure.
Nicole - New car - Adam {P}
Er....
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
I had a Modus for a day while my lagoona (sniffle) was being serviced.

Nicole thought it was possibly the worse car she had ever driven, ugly, lifeless, characterless, and utterly soul destroying. (did I mention ugly?)

I thought she was being rather too kind about it myself.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - PW
Oops- sorry about that then! Did wonder why hadn't come up.

One thing with Seat- have seen a fair bit of speculation about their future recently. Audi have been strongly denying company will be for sale- but comes up every couple of months or so. Have heard the new look has not gone down at all well and sales are down.
Nicole - New car - DP
I am not having one, its pooey" Refused to sit in it


I now have coffee in the internals of my keyboard!!

Absolutely priceless.
Nicole - New car - machika
Also the 8v 1.4 engine was gutless in a 206
I drove once, in a 207 I dare not think how
slow it must feel.


I find that surprising, as the same engine in a ZX gave good performance. It was good for over 100 mph, 40 mpg, would cruise all day at 80 mph and, really, what more do you expect of a 1.4 petrol engine.
Nicole - New car - LeePower
Same TU3 engine in my 206 will do 114mph without bother once it gets going, Easily get 40 mpg + too
Also managed that in a C3 loan car with the same TU3 design of engine.
Nicole - New car - machika
New 207 is to big & heavy for the weedy engines
that pull it along, The gearchange is typical Pug, RUBBISH


I am quite surprised by that statement, as all of the Peugeots that I have driven had wonderful gearchanges (309s, 405 and 505).
Nicole - New car - y2k+4
I had a ZX with that engine. It was noisy, but didn't feel as slow as the 206 I tried with the same engine. I assumed that gearing/weight was different.
Nicole - New car - Xileno {P}
What about a RenaultSport Clio 197 2.0 16V.
Then you can borrow it :-)
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Oh Dont

I sat in this in the showroom. Its stunning.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - LeePower
Over the years & the many Peugeot & Citroen cars ive owned & driven I can safely say that a good gearchange ISNT yet available on a PSA car.

Long & clunky is the PSA gearchange way.

Now Ford & Vauxhall do get the gearchange action right.
Nicole - New car - shanna
My OH had a Peugeot 306 for a couple of years and travelled from Cumbria to Aberdeen in it every weekend for two years and it never missed a beat. He previously had a Golf which travelled from Cumbria to High Wycombe every weekend for over 3 years which did another perfect job. The Peugeot was a diesel and the Golf wasn't. The Golf had less toys but felt more solid. What would she trust?
Nicole - New car - machika
Over the years & the many Peugeot & Citroen cars ive
owned & driven I can safely say that a good gearchange
ISNT yet available on a PSA car.
Long & clunky is the PSA gearchange way.
Now Ford & Vauxhall do get the gearchange action right.


Having had two 309s, a ZX and a Xantia, the only one I wasn't keen on was the ZX gearchange, which was a bit clunky and a bit long, but never unpleasant to use . The 309s were lovely and smooth, although the gates were a bit close, and the Xantia was simply wonderful, as good as anything I have driven. Long and clunky they were not.

I also took a test drive in a 405 and 505 once upon a time and the gearchange in those were good too, the 505 being particularly nice.
Nicole - New car - y2k+4
I've yet to drive a French car (only driven PSA cars and just one Renault Megane I) where the gearchange feels as precise and slick as that on a Focus or Mondeo. That said, my Dad absolutely detests the gearchange in my Focus, so it's as with everything else: a matter of personal taste.
Nicole - New car - DP
My old 306's gearchange was horribly notchy and clunky, particularly on cold oil. My colleague had an identical car with similar mileage that was lovely though. A bit odd really.

I found the Focus gearbox a delight. Short-ish throw with a real "mechanical" feel to it and virtually no freeplay in the linkage. Our Fiesta's is the same, but spoiled slightly by a fairly long lever.

The Mondeo's is short throw and fairly slick,and has a lovely stubby little gearlever, but there's a bit of play in it, and the gate can feel a little vague at times. A new linkage would probably fix it, but what's the point? It works.

Cheers
DP
Nicole - New car - bumbler
Hi All,

Had a test drive in the new Mitsubishi Colt last week. Found it amazingly spacious for its size and the engine pretty good. However, the ride was fidgety and when I got up to 80mph, and then braked hard, the car wavered around and didn't feel too safe.
I then went to the Nissan Note which, with the 1.6l engine, was very nice to drive and with a comfortable ride. The cabin was rather narrow and the drivers seat didn't have height adjustment, only cushion tilt.
After that, I found the Fiat Grande Punto which was very nice to drive with the 1.4l engine. The worst thing about it was a badly placed clutch footrest. Neither I or my friend liked it and I in particular just couldn't get comfortable. There also seems to be problems with steering racks and poorly fitting doors so this car needs time to have its problems sorted out.

Hope this is interesting.
Nicole - New car - oldgit
Hi All,
The cabin was rather narrow and the drivers seat didn't
have height adjustment, only cushion tilt.
After that, I found the Fiat Grande Punto which was very
nice to drive with the 1.4l engine. The worst thing
about it was a badly placed clutch footrest. Neither I
or my friend liked it and I in particular just couldn't
get comfortable. There also seems to be problems with steering
racks

Hope this is interesting.


Are you sure it wasn't a BMW series 1 that you were driving?
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Ignore the oldgit Bumbler,

Thats valuable input - thanks
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - oldgit
Ignore the oldgit Bumbler,
Thats valuable input - thanks
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >


Should not that be, "ignore the oldgit, Bumbler". Otherwise it appears that I'm an oldgit as well as a bumbler (without the insertion of a comma).

Anyway, why should my well intentioned comment be treated thus as I was merely suggesting that some of the findings were similar to what I'd found in the car mentioned

Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Actualy, bumbling old git turned out rather accurately ;) (said with a grin)

Anyway, which comment(s) applied to the BMW in question? ( a car it seems with which i share your dislike)
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - oldgit
Actualy, bumbling old git turned out rather accurately ;) (said with
a grin)
Anyway, which comment(s) applied to the BMW in question? ( a
car it seems with which i share your dislike)
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A brief fleeting comment "The cabin was rather narrow and the drivers seat didn't have height adjustment, only cushion tilt" . Although the Beemer does have seat height adjustment, it comprises that awful levitation action where you have to levitate yourself at the same time as operating said lever in order for the seat to rise. Quite why they keep this system is beyond me. In addition there is no room around the pedals and the whole car is very cramped both front and rear with the latter having poor access.

Apart from all that, the car's looks are pretty horrendous (excuse the Oxymoron).

Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Ok right,

well I am going with Nicole to the Pug dealer this evening (as it happens there is a tapas bar over the road - Thats handy!) to cast my eye over the 207 and to see what deals the salesman can come up with, but i think its going to be the Clio.

So it boils down to money. Here is my figures.

Assumptions
Old clio trade in £1.5k
Sell old clio privately £2.0k
Cost of finance - pers loan at 6.4%apr / 48 months
New Car = Clio 1.4, 3 door expression, metalic paint, List price OTR £10470

Therefore worse possible deal*, cost to change £10,069 / £209.77 month.
* No list price discount, book price trade in, finance balance @6.4% apr 48 months

The deals

Internet brokers, uk sourced cars - The best possible I can get here is:
Discount price OTR, £8629 - sell old car £2k = Balance £6629 + finance £950
Cost to change = £7,579 / £158 month.

Local Renault dealer.
A casual enquiry after the test drive, easily got this deal.
Discount price £10,072 OTR - trade in £1.5k = balance £8572 + 0% finance (48 months)
Cost to change £8572 / £178 month.

I intend to go for this deal at the dealer. That is walk in with old car and docs, bank details, and a "we will sign
right here right now where's the pen" promise.
Discount price £10,072 OTR - trade in £2k = balance £8072 + 0% finance
Cost to change £8072 / £168 month.

I prefer to go with a dealer, but if they cant match that its the broker route.

Opinions? thoughts?

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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Martin Wall
If you do go for the Clio remember to send off the extra £50 so that you 'free' breakdown cover with the AA is extended to cover punctures, locking keys in car, using incorrect fuel, etc.

www.renault.co.uk/NonWarrantyHome.aspx

It's pretty penny-pinching of Renault that this cover doesn't come as standard in my opinion.
Nicole - New car - drbe
Ok right,
well I am going with Nicole to the Pug dealer this
evening (as it happens there is a tapas bar over the
road - Thats handy!) to cast my eye over the 207
and to see what deals the salesman can come up with,
but i think its going to be the Clio.
So it boils down to money. Here is my figures.
Assumptions
Old clio trade in £1.5k
Sell old clio privately £2.0k
Cost of finance - pers loan at 6.4%apr / 48
months
New Car = Clio 1.4, 3 door expression, metalic paint, List
price OTR £10470
Therefore worse possible deal*, cost to change £10,069 / £209.77 month.
* No list price discount, book price trade in, finance balance
@6.4% apr 48 months
The deals
Internet brokers, uk sourced cars - The best possible I can
get here is:
Discount price OTR, £8629 - sell old car £2k = Balance
£6629 + finance £950
Cost to change = £7,579 / £158 month.
Local Renault dealer.
A casual enquiry after the test drive, easily got this deal.
Discount price £10,072 OTR - trade in £1.5k = balance
£8572 + 0% finance (48 months)
Cost to change £8572 / £178 month.
I intend to go for this deal at the dealer. That
is walk in with old car and docs, bank details, and
a "we will sign
right here right now where's the pen" promise.
Discount price £10,072 OTR - trade in £2k = balance £8072
+ 0% finance
Cost to change £8072 / £168 month.
I prefer to go with a dealer, but if they cant
match that its the broker route.
Opinions? thoughts?
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Adam {P}
I don't get it.
Nicole - New car - Dalglish
drbe - looks like you have missed this notice at the top of the page:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=42...2

Nicole - New car - drbe
Ok right,
well I am going with Nicole to the Pug dealer this
evening (as it happens there is a tapas bar over the
road - Thats handy!) to cast my eye over the 207
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >


Sorry, Papa, my last was a mishtake.

What I had INTENDED to say was enjoy your tapas - that would be the tapas bar by the traffic lights at The Halfway?

Didn't it have a fire on the opening night? Let us hope history doesn't repeat its self!
Nicole - New car - Dalglish
... by the traffic lights at The Halfway? Didn't it have a fire on the opening night? ..


and which (along with the rest of the halfway) was flooded two weeks ago when walton/weybridge had that once in hundred years type massive thunderstorm.

Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Yes I was driving back from the midlands that afternoon, That was a longish old journey i can tell you.

I assume then, not to take a slightly musty smelling 207 from stock thats going cheap?
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Dat be the one, under the new flats.. You know what Pug dealer I am visiting then
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Dalglish
the "hersham hardware" place next door to the pug dealer was definitely flooded - photo was in surey herald. perhaps the pug dealership was too. but then the fire station is just opposite so maybe they bailed them out first. see:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/5223...m

Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
So to The pug dealer.

The 207 3 door looks better in the flesh close up than its pictures would indicate. The clutch has a very short, overlight action with not much feel in the bite. Little room in the footwell for such a big car, the gearbox is rubbery, sloppy and has a long throw. There are visibility problems to the rear, and you cant see the swooped down front.

The glovebox is laughable.

Its the Clio then.

So to the Tapas bar at the Halfway. Its was as near empty as makes no difference and early.

Table for two?
Waiter looks around empty resturant, "Have you booked"?
Incredulous look "No? do I have to?
Waiter spend two minutes, leafing through some papers, loooking around the large empty resturant, checking watch several times. Much sighing and sucking through teeth.

"Poke your gambas and chorrizo where the costa del sol dont shine" says TVM flouncing out in a hissy fit, trailing a bemused Nicole in his wake.

A good Tapas bar in Woking tho.

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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - cheddar
You can get a top of the range Initiale 106 DCi 5dr on 0%, put £3000 down and £257 p/m 48 months, no final payment.
Nicole - New car - cheddar
Or a Privilege 111 VVT 5dr on 0%, put £2500 down and £208 p/m 48 months, no final payment.
Nicole - New car - cheddar
Or an Expression 1.4 98 3dr on 0%, put £2000 down and £168 p/m 48 months, no final payment.
Nicole - New car - Xileno {P}
That makes the car £15336. Daft money for a Clio no matter how good it is.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
So thats 15 grand for a clio then? Hmmm
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - cheddar
Or its 250 a month for a fully loaded, fun to drive, pretty nippy, 60mpg car that is actually about the size of a MkI Focus.
Nicole - New car - Xileno {P}
You can get a 197 for that money.
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Right well we make appointment to see dealer today. 11:00am, arrive at 10:55

Bad start, still not been seen by the salesman at 11:30 - so TVM kicks up a fuss and gets into the sales manager.

The best he could do was

Discount price £10,072 OTR - trade in £1.5k = balance £8572 + 0% finance
Cost to change £8572 / £178 month.

I refused to move from a cost to change of £8072 so gathered up my pen and nicole and we showed the dealer our bums as we walked out.

So its private sale, finance and internet brokers route.


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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Nickdm
I presume the dealer is busy - or at least not desperate for business - right now, in the run-up to the new 56 registration-plate release.

Surely he'd be a bit more pliable and eager to make a sale if you waited until November? Not many people buy cars in the run-up to Christmas! Can Nicole be patient?!
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Indeed that is an option, and under consideration.


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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - cheddar
Indeed that is an option, and under consideration.



And if she can wait that long for aircon then surely she can wait until next spring and 07 plates, after all your current Clio will have lost little value in that time and you cash could make 5% in the bank.
Nicole - New car - Nickdm
Of course, the salesman might also be playing chicken with you too. He'll wait to see if you go crawling back on Weds/Thurs to accept the deal. If you don't, he may well call you at the end of next week with a marginally increased offer!

Furthermore, after the Bank Holiday weekend next week, he'll look at his sales figures for the month and may also wheel and deal more freely "for a quick sale".

It also pays to get a comparative quote from a different dealer sometimes...
Nicole - New car - expat
While you are still at the stage of driving round looking for a replacement you could also put an A4 advert in the back window of the existing car. You might score a private sale and then be in the position of turning up at the dealers without a trade in. That could be worth a few quid on the deal for you. The beauty of the back window ad is that it is no trouble and no cost. If it works great. If it doesn't you haven't lost anything. On the down side it might mean a few weeks without a car while waiting for the new one to be delivered. There are pros and cons with everything.
Nicole - New car - type's'
Any update TVM - is Nicole driving about in a shiny new something or other ?
Nicole - New car - Altea Ego
Nope. Not since the trip to the Renault dealer, pen in hand did not go to my liking.

Currently waiting till the september reg change rush is over.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
Nicole - New car - Smileyman
did you look at the Mazda2?

Nice smallish car, 4* Ncap, comes with aircon stereo, CD etc

comfortable, spacious ... and no I don't work for them, just this is the car my wife drives and she likes it!
Nicole - New car - expat
I would second the Mazda suggestion. I bought a 323 in 1999 and we still have it. We had one tiny problem when we got it. The courtesy light in the boot wouldn't work. The dealer fixed it under warranty and it has been perfect since. Not very good - perfect. If the 2 is anywhere near as good you will have a very good car indeed.
Nicole - New car - PoloGirl
Something tells me she's not a Mazda2 lady.

"Fiesta - Its a ford"

Although I do understand completely where she's coming from!

;)

Nicole - New car - Smileyman
Ford and Mazda are linked ... the Fiesta and Mazda2 and Fusion are all built in the same factory in Valencia.

They share the same 1.4 engine, and probably the many other parts too.

Nonetheless, there is something about the Mazda name that gave a greater confidence than buying a Ford, or perhaps it was the the dealership that instilled more confidence. Illogical perhaps, but that's life.
 

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