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Well, if a Ford is in last place it must be wrong. If it had been a French car there would have been lots of nods of agreement.
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That's a bit of a silly thing to say really.
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That's a bit of a silly thing to say really.
That there would have been nods of agreement if it had been a French car?
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The C-Max is/was unreliable. Therefore, it's got a crap rating. I wouldnt' buy a C-Max because it looks like a box but even if it didn't, I wouldn't get one.
I wouldn't buy any number of Citroens because of how reliable they are. Not how reliable people say they are - but how reliable (or unreliable) they actually are. I wouldn't buy a Merc (as if I could!) because of all the faults you hear occuring on them. I don't have a problem with Citroens - Dad's mate has a C5 VTR and whilst I don't think much of the interiors they give a nice ride.
Of course, he's had to fix all sorts of things. I haven't. That won't dissuade me from looking for a different car but if you've had a reliable one, then you're more likely to buy the same make aren't you? I'm not so loyal to Ford (although I've decided on a next car and it is a Ford!).
I've said it before - you seem to be on a crusade to slate Ford and make sure people know Citroens are hard done by. I could say there's no smoke without fire but I won't. Some Citroens are crap, some Fords are crap, some Mercs are crap.
Buy what you want - Ford can start becoming really unreliable for all I care - if they do, I'll move to some other make. If your Citroen is the most reliable thing since a Swiss made watch, fantastic. I'm happy for you.
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I've said it before - you seem to be on a crusade to slate Ford and make sure people know Citroens are hard done by. I could say there's no smoke without fire but I won't. Some Citroens are crap, some Fords are crap, some Mercs are crap.
Yes, you have said it before and, once again you have got the wrong end of the stick.
I will repeat again, in the hope you might get the right end of the stick, I do not slate Fords per se. I happen to think they have a (mostly) good range of cars at present, although I do not think they are as wonderful as a lot of people in this forum would have us believe. I had a lot of journeys in a Mondeo, whilst on a recent holiday, and was impressed by the rear seat comfort and ride quality. However, I think the interiors are as dull as ditchwater. Fords have been very popular in this country for over 40 years but they have not always deserved accolades for their products. Some of the Escort and Fiesta ranges were very indifferent at times, yet still topped sales lists in the UK, over many years.
In general, I think French cars get unfair treatment in this forum, which is why I jump to their defence. I have owned/driven a Peugeot or Citroen for 19 years and, whilst I recognise the shortcomings, they were all enjoyable to drive and had wonderful ride quality, which is important to me. The build quality of some was not great, mainly the ZX, but I would say it was not great on a lot of cars at the time, Fords included. I was often told how wonderful Escorts were compared with the 309s I had but I had driven Escorts, so I knew the comparison wasn't favourable in many respects, handling and ride quality being the main areas were it was inferior.
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Well, if a Ford is in last place it must be wrong. If it had been a French car there would have been lots of nods of agreement.
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger. I have a C5 2.2 HDi Exclusive SE estate that I've had from new and wouldn't swap for any other big load lugger.
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Hey! Don't shoot the messenger.
If you had seen any of my supportive posts for French cars in the past, you would know It was said tongue in cheek. We have a C5 too.
You will also find that criticism of Fords in this forum doesn't go down well, even said tongue in cheek.
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Machika: >> Well, if a Ford is in last place it must be wrong.
You know it's wrong! I think if the C-Max was the least reliable car we'd have heard more of it on this board, even allowing for our tribal prejudices ;-)
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Tribal prejudices are a strong motivating factor. There are lots of Brits who are only too willing to knock anything produced by the French, whether there is good reason or not. Far fewer, I think, would knock a Ford product.
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I had a 1991 Peugeot 309 1.9 (non-turbo) diesel as my first car and covered nearly 30k with only a battery, 1 tyre, an exhaust rear box and two driveshaft gaiters needing replacement on top of routine servicing. People took the mickey out of it but was the model of reliability compared with some of my mate's Escorts, Fiestas and Astras and was quicker and more fuel efficient than many small engined petrol cars.
My 1994 306TD on the other hand has been a bit disappointing reliability wise- I've replaced the radiator, PAS rack and due to the dreaded head gasket failure I ended up replacing the engine but I've not let that put me off buying French cars.
Martin
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>>but I've not let that put me off buying French cars
What would it take to put you off?
Number_Cruncher
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>>but I've not let that put me off buying French cars What would it take to put you off? Number_Cruncher
Firstly, replacing a radiator on a 12 year old car is hardly unexpected. Secondly, the XUD engine, even in TD form is one of the most reliable diesel engines ever made, so a head gasket failure is hardly a good reason to condemn it.
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>>But no one has asked the many hundreds, thousands even, of other Jazz drivers for their opinion.
One of my mates, who can literally afford whatever car he wants (currently a brand new Bentley), bought a Jazz for his other half because it seemed to fit the bill exactly for her life style,.
Within three or four months it very quickly made way for a C-class Mercedes...:-)
Among the faults the Jazz exhibited, from brand new, was a battery that flattened itself within a very short time.
I won't bore you with the rest.<<
Just a couple of things here: yes they did ask the many hundreds - thousands even of other Jazz drivers for their opinions - they asked all Jazz owners within the magazine's subscription ?????
I think your rich mate could make himself richer by selling a reliable MB back to them so they can see what they did correct with that one. A sample size of 1 versus 400 ????
And anyway - my mate who is richer than your mate and now drives a Maybach bought his wife a Jazz and it never went wrong.
These threads amaze me because all they do is try and argue with a reputable organisation such as the consumers association that bases its facts on as big a sample size as they can with individual stories.
Whats for me has clearly passed me by - the will to live.
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