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Sprice. Not if it is a Merc and you are cruising thru the Alps at a steady 50 mph! But if you are in UK today, roof up and a/c on is the way to go - you are right there!
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Couldn't agree more. Black leather upholstery, slow moving traffic, bakeing hot sun...I wonder if they also have the air-con on!?
So why do people do it? Perhaps they own a salon!
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>>Black leather upholstery, slow moving traffic, bakeing hot sun...I wonder if they also have the air-con on
I do.
Its a soft top and I like the roof down. It has aircon and I like cold air blowing at me. Even with the roof down the cold air still reaches me. As it happens the seats are also black leather.
Why wouldn't I ?
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Why wouldn't I ?
Doesn't sound like you wouldn't, but I wouldn't because it's a ridiculous waste of energy.
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Curse Vauxhall for not fitting A/C to my car, the swines. Actually curse me for buying it without it. Stoke traffic jams+ no air con= a very hot, stressed driver.
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It must be hot because my wife has turned on the air-con in her Corsa for the first time in nearly 4 years of ownership so I don't have to follow Honest John's advise & religiously run it for 10 minutes each week to keep it all lubricated.
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I don't have to follow Honest John's advise & religiously run it for 10 minutes each week to keep it all lubricated.
I vaguely recall a post over in Technical where an AC system that's never been used before will more often than not maintain its gasses and lubricants, but once it's been used, it then must be used regularly as HJ suggests.
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>>because it's a ridiculous waste of energy.
Why is it either ridiculous or a waste ?
Surely if I buy a car to give me enjoyment, and this furthers that enjoyment, then it is neither ridiculous nor a waste.
No reason why you should do it, since if you don't want to then that would be a waste. But by what standard do you judge my actions ? The function of my car is to make my life more pleasant; If this, or anything else on the huge list of stuff that the Backroom disapproves of, gives me pleasure then it furthers that goal rather than detracting from it.
If I was that worried about waste alone I'd have a hard top Fiat 126 or something as, presumably, would you. I suppose I would receive more approval that way. If only I cared.
Common disease particularly in this country - an incessant need to judge and pass commment on the actions of others using our own feelings of self-righteous perfection as the standard. And its not attractive.
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Surely if I buy a car to give me enjoyment, and this furthers that enjoyment, then it is neither ridiculous nor a waste.
I suppose I would receive more approval that way. If only I cared. Common disease particularly in this country - an incessant need to judge and pass commment on the actions of others using our own feelings of self-righteous perfection as the standard. And its not attractive.
Get off your persecuted minority high horse, I didn't say I was judging you. But it is a waste, as the cold air is just being lost, and is therefore in my eyes ridiculous, same as driving around with the AC on and the windows down. What you choose to do with your petrol is up to you though, I couldn't give a flying.
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>>your persecuted minority high horse
Its my horse and I';ll sit on it if I want to.
BTW, "minority" ??
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Its my horse and I';ll sit on it if I want to. BTW, "minority" ??
BTW, " I';ll" ? ? ;o)
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Quite right, No FM2R
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>>Quite right, No FM2R
Agreed, too.
To my mind my brother's XC90 D5 is completely pointless, he neither needing such a huge and heavy behemoth that returns 27MPG when the same engine in his V70 gave 45MPG, or an energy consuming four wheel drive system. As for sometimes taking two parking spaces rather than one because standard slots aren't wide enough, tut tut.
To his mind however my 600cc motorcycle that will do 0-60 in the middle threes, overtake in the space of thinking about it, and which gives me huge pleasure carving my favourite A-roads is also pointless; after all I should be plodding along at 60MPH like a good boy, and for that a 125 Vespa would do the job nicely.
As for my two stroke racing kart with 100cc engine that did 18 MPG accompanied by cloud of blue smoke, Jeez... What a waste. After all I did't actually NEED to go racing and it achieved nothing more satisfying than a huge adrenaline buzz and a pile of race and championship trophies that now live in the loft. Oh yes, the trophies themselves; what a waste of resources.
Why does my uncle have a Merc convertible with twin turbo six litre engine, a turbocharged 6.7 litre Bently barge, a treasured Aston Marton Vantage, countless other toys and live in a house the size of a banana republic? In fact, this twenty year old house is about to be razed to the ground and replaced with another. From scratch. All these objects took energy to make and consume energy to run when in fact a two bed center terrace and Corsa 1.0 would fit his needs; kids have all left home so its just him and the missus.
The fact is we live in a free society, we all have different priorities and opinions of what is reasonable and what's excessive, and none of use are "right" or "wrong".
Get on and enjoy life.
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I have had airconed cars for many years now however I was thinking yesterday while waiting at the test centre for the wife's Clio to be MOT'd (it passed no probs) how fortunate we are that it has aircon, when we bought it (2nd hand) 5 years ago we could have easily ended up with a non air con variant. The system in the Clio is also very efficient blowwing cold air within seconds of starting the engine and seems to have little effect on econony.
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Im jealous, I want air-con! Never had a car with it, but from what I read it seems an unreliable piece of kit, is this the case?
All the same, I'd take it ove a sunroof anyday as have been in cars with it and appreciate the difference it makes.
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Im jealous, I want air-con! Never had a car with it, but from what I read it seems an unreliable piece of kit, is this the case? All the same, I'd take it ove a sunroof anyday as have been in cars with it and appreciate the difference it makes.
Well our Clio is worth 2 grand tops so a car with decent aircon is affordable, also I like a glass sunroof to let the light in and open occasionally, both the Mondeo and Clio have a sunroof as well as climate / air con respectively.
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Hmmm.
Let me see.
A40 out of High Wycombe towards West Wycombe.
34 Deg C.
Car overheated at traffic lights with resultant mega jam behind.
Irate scenes at inconsiderately blocked junctions when cars couldn't pull out - even to drive in the opposite direction to the jam - horns blowing, frustrated elbows on window sills, and of course, some with windows open basking in baking hot, polluted, air.
Was I glad I was hot and sweaty on the bike in full Dainese power ranger suit, or did I wish I was cool and time wasting in the V70? Well, after filtering safely past the long, long, line of traffic, getting to the penultimate vehicle as the lights went amber, snick down in to first, lifesaver checks all round, and roll on past the head of the queue as the lights went green, not the latter, that's for sure.
Time in the queue?
Probably 90 seconds.
Destination Stratford-upon-Avon.
Next decision; straight on at West Wycombe to join the M40 at Stokenchurch, or hang a right to Princes Risborough, Aylesbury, the brilliant A413 to Buckingham, Aynho, Banbury, and then the fast and flowing A422 to Stratford-upon-Avon.
No prizes for guessing the latter, and I wonder how many others had as much fun on their air conditioned convoy trudge home.
Bike all the way, whatever the heat.
It's when winter comes that the bike gets fully serviced, hooked up to Optimate umbilical cord, and left to hibernate for five months or so.
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>>Since the trend seems to have started in the 1880s>>
So what particular brand of global warming caused the hottest July day on record in 1911?
Certainly wasn't cars, ships, jet aircraft, diesel engined transport and lorries and so on and so on.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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.. all this junk about global warming?
.. Just that! Junk! ..
.... echoing the actions of the ostrich as it buried its head in the sand.
have a look at these charts to see what the ostrich didn't want to see:
www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globtemp.html
data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
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THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING HOAX
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1113608/posts
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Oh please. So, the American Conservative Union tells you in an opinion piece about CO2 emissions that climate models may not be able to make accurate predictions of the future (hardly a revelation even to those doing the modelling). Then you use the article to make some vague argument against the veracity of actual recorded figures.
Where exactly does this article show that global warming is a hoax? All the data (the article is pretty light on data) seems to suggest that global warming has been happening in the last 150 years and accelerating in the last 30. Global warming theories may be wrong, but hey, there's a clue in there somewhere around the word "theories."
The following comment from the end of the article sums it up really:
"There simply is no such thing as climate control. The climate controls us, not the other way around.
Persons believing contrary to this statement inflate man's importance to climate out of all proportion, or, more likely, have a sinister agenda that specifically targets the USA."
Sheesh.
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It's now less than two weeks (apparently - I'll believe it when I see it) until my new car arrives, complete with air con. I can't wait...but I know from then on it will be too wet and cold to need it as the weather is due to break tonight!
Have to say air con is the thing I'm looking forward to the most about the new car. I am notorious for getting into the other half's Accord and turning the air on on my side right down...heaven!
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The temperature of this planet has been swinging from extreme to extreme for millions of years so I won't be losing any sleep over where I happen to be in the cycle.
What does bother me is that I can't get the air-con of the old Honda re-charged any more because they say I'm contributing to global warming. It still works but it isn't as cold as it used to be. Does anyone have any ideas on what I can do?
The Prelude is not a problem, it has 134a gas or whatever it is, but I just like driving the old lady and having the sunroof open isn't an option here at the moment, esp as my hair is waving goodbye...
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Hmmm, I've never had Aircon in a car either, I've been in aircon cars though and it is very pleasant when the weather is like it currently is. It's not something I'd really want in a car though as I like things simple, preferably with the least number of gadgets and gizmos, other than for the reason that there is less to go wrong. I'm more than happy to just have the windows open, even when I've driven across Spain.
In fact I left the daily driver at home today and came to work in the Panda, the twin rubber sunroofs and the windows open. 40 feels like 60, 60 feels like 80, you get the picture. Great Fun.
Citivanvin
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We have just finished a 20 day Hertz hire of a Fiat Punto 1.2 Grande while on holiday in the South of England. Cracking wee car and boy were we delighted to find an aircon button on a Group B car. Did 48 mpg and was nice to drive. Was really glad of the aircon on the M25 hiatus yesterday and arrived fresh and stress free. Mind you my brother had an early Mark 4 Golf for 3 years. When selling it the salesman asked if it had aircon. "No" he said wistfully but when the salesman returned from a test drive he called my brother over and pointed out a previously ignored snowflake button...
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Aircon. helps sell any car at this time of year if its working.
Really dont do much for me though, most air con plays up sooner or later and is expensive to sort and/or detracts from car if its not working correct.
For the 3 weeks of the year when its ideal I am happy to go without for 49 weeks of less hassled/expensive motoring.
But you pays your money and takes your choice!
No replies needed telling me that I'm right or wrong; it';s just my observation!
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>>>> No replies needed telling me that I'm right or wrong; it';sjust my observation!
You're still wrong....................fantastic in the winter too.........but if you don't know then you don't know...........simple.
vbr......................................md
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>>>> What does bother me is that I can't get the air-conof the old Honda re-charged any more because they say I'm contributing to global warming. It still works but it isn't as cold as it used to be. Does anyone have any ideas on what I can do?
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I am in north Devon and have a good guy on a/c. Maybe he can assist . Top man, no bull and fairly priced.
vbr.................md.
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Thanks Dalglish, now I have seen it all officially typed up on the Internet, well, it all looks genuine to me like the government typed it and stuff,. I believe it now. I believe it!
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Thanks Dalglish, now I have seen it all officially typed up on the Internet, well, it all looks genuine to me like the government typed it and stuff,. I believe it now. I believe it!
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ashok - sorry if i made you peek out of the sand. do get back in to the cool place. there are no lions out there. you are quite safe. if ostriches weere to unlearn their behaviour, it would upset the food-chain. as darwin'sjunk science said, we need all kinds.
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ps to ashok:
you never provided any evidence for your claim:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=42...3
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"ps to ashok:
you never provided any evidence for your claim:"
Boy, do you bear grudges...
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can you think of anything you'd rather have on your car? ........ (other >> than a drop down roof) Surely a drop down roof is the worse thing to have in the (very) hot weather?
To me, now in my dotage, there is nothing more absurd than a car, in this weather, with the hood down. I've owned at least four soft-top cars in my younger, more foolish days, but I would not put a soft-top down and have the relentless midday sun bearing down on my physiognomy.
All cars that I buy now have an electric sunroof with interior sunshade and Air conditioning - a marvellous combination that some people do not seem to understand the necessity for these two!
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I have aircon and cloth seats.
Best combination for hot and cold weather.
Wearing shorts when car has been sitting in sun for houre - and leather seats - is VERY painful (been there done that in South Africa).
As far as climate warming, yes the climate does fluctuate over the millenia. But CO2 levels are at record highs and accelerating. FACT (based on 100 years of recordings and analysis of ice and tree samples over millenia.
London was once the end of the glaciers where all the spoil was dumped hence London clay. Then they all melted and filled in the Channel which was previously dry land.
Lots of Americans are very gullible and believe all sorts of rubbish. ~###
As do readers of the Sun and the Daily Sport :-)
### no need to quote them on here imo:-)
I've had aircon in Mercedes,Fiesta, Audi and Yaris in past 15 years. Nothing has ever gone wrong except Audi condenser (under warranty) and neve had to regas anything..
Of course if you drive a French car with airco, that might be different due to the joys of French electrics after a few years:-)
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The subject of this message is wrong, today is is hottest July day on record, beating the previous record set in 1911.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5193486.stm
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Just wondering if I'm the only Omega owning backroomer without aircon? 35C on the display all the way from Farnborough to Southampton yesterday was no fun at all. :-((
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The subject of this message is wrong, today is is hottest July day on record, beating the previous record set in 1911.>>
Very good - but I started the thread at the start of yesterday!!!
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All cars that I buy now have an electric sunroof with interior sunshade and Air conditioning - a marvellous combination that some people do not seem to understand the necessity for these two!
That's my preference as well. Aircon to reduce the temperature and sunroof tilted to increase the airflow through the car.
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L'escargot.
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