Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - graham sherlock
I thought that I was up on the news, but this weekend what's happened to the price of petrol. Nothing on the news, nothing new in Nigeria, or did Uncle Gordon do a dirty in the budget that I missed? Is it just screw the motorist time?

Yours more then fed-up.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Stuartli
It's been creeping up in our area for several weeks now.
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Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Roberson
Same here. Seemed to have stabilised at 87.9ppl for months, but last week when I filled up, it was 89.9ppl. I would have thought it might have gone down a penny or two by now, what with winter on its way out (well, when prices rise in winter, this is generally the excuse "its winter and demand rises...")
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Pugugly {P}
US have increaed interest rates, consequently the pund v. dollar rate has changed. Perhaps that today's Telegraph carries a story of a limited nuclear strike on Iran may be a factor.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - bikemade3
Always wandered how you could have a limited nuclear strike, if you're on the receiving end then it's going to be pretty catistrophic whether it's limited or not. Back to fuel cost Diesel 96.9ppl, Unleaded 92.9 in Somerset.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - defender
there will be lots of things like fuel price increase not making the news at the moment under the cover of bird flu taking all the headlines
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - David Horn
Diesel 98.9 in Devon.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - madf
As usual,the price is being driven by the price of crude oil. It fell from a peak of >$70 per barrel in summer 2005 to a low of around $58 ish and is now back over $66.

Better get used to it. The $100 barrel is maybe only a year away - although if the US does bomb Iran you can expect $150 and an oil boycott as the Middle East erupts...imo of course..
madf
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - SjB {P}
Texaco super unleaded has been 99.9 for a while now here in Aylesbury, as it was when I filled up the V70 today.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Statistical outlier
SE London (Bromley) it's 92.9 unleaded and 95.9 diesel. I got caught short and had to buy a few litres at 102.9 at Oxford South services a couple of weeks ago!!
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Screwloose

Firstly; fuel always goes up in the spring and down in the autumn. People use their cars more in warmer weather and will happily pay more. It's a supply and demand thing. Just watch if you don't believe me.

The oft-quoted spot prices of marker crudes have absolutely no relevance at all to the cost of forecourt fuels. They are merely for a single barge-load of that specified crude, in a specified port, on a specified date, sometime in the future.

Refinery managers don't buy their crude in single bargeloads at spec prices; [one bargeload would feed a big refinery for about 90 seconds.] Satellite tracking of supertankers means that they know exactly where every ton of their next five months feedstock is at any given moment. That crude was bought on long-term contract at government level about two years before; the crude being refined today cost much the same as it did when petrol was 68p. [Where did you think those record-breaking oil-company profits suddenly came from?]

We've been drip-fed this hackneyed old "spot-market" fable for so long that everyone now falls for it. [What was it that Goebbels said?] So the next time some BBC bimbette stands in front of a pump and does a breathless piece-to-camera about the instant petrol rises being caused by spot prices on the New York market last night; just ask yourself, is it - almost unbelievable - journalistic gullibility: or outright corruption?
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - local yokel
Spot prices do have bearing, though, as it's the spot price that is the value of the supertanker's load as it discharges and goes into the refinery.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Round The Bend
I've often observed that the fuel companies put a few extra pence on the price following the budget. So if the budget puts the price up by 2p then they add another 2p and hide behind the Chancellor. This time round the duty increase was "frozen" but they still sneaked the price up.
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Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - L'escargot
BP 95 RON unleaded 90.9p/litre in Lincoln on Saturday.
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Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Roly93
I've often observed that the fuel companies put a few extra
pence on the price following the budget. So if the budget
puts the price up by 2p then they add another 2p
and hide behind the Chancellor. This time round the duty increase
was "frozen" but they still sneaked the price up.
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Probably true, as well as the traditional sneak increase prior to major public holidays ie Easter.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Screwloose
Spot prices do have bearing, though, as it's the spot
price that is the value of the supertanker's load as it
discharges and goes into the refinery.



Another oil-company spin-based myth. When you're buying 100 million barrels a month, you don't pay anywhere near the same rate as a single bargeload. The Saudi oil ministry doesn't deliver it's product; the oil majors bought that cargo of oil when it was still two years off coming out of the ground.

Oil bought today - in a 5-star suite in Riyadh KSA - will be for collection at Ras Tannurah on a set date sometime in 2008/9. Certainly, the level of the spot market will affect those negotiations; but it doesn't set the price.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Collos25
I thought that I was up on the news, but this
weekend what's happened to the price of petrol. Nothing on the
news, nothing new in Nigeria, or did Uncle Gordon do a
dirty in the budget that I missed? Is it just screw
the motorist time?
Yours more then fed-up.


Actually the Nigerian fields are closed down and all non essential staff removed while negotiations take place with the local rebels.This is supposed to be solve the problem once and forall,don't hold your breath.
Oil prices will continue to rise because demand is there ,they have not converted all pumps to read above a £1 per litre for nothing.The laws of economics more demand less product= higher prices.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Thommo
Sorry Screw but you are either a green propagandist or have swallowed green propaganda as you know nothing about the sale of crude oil.

The idea that you can have bought crude in the ground at set prices two years ago for deliver today at that price is absurd.

Crude is sold at spot price plus on delivery. There is even a standard oil industry contract for doing so. Standard practise is to put the sale of all your companies crude production out to tender on a six month contract with the bidders bidding spot on delivery plus a differential. There are even standard rules as to how to calculate spot for delivery on days when the markets are closed and therefore a day spot price can not be obtained. The differential is based on the assayed quality of the crude against a marker crude usually Brent plus a premium for how bad you want it.

Suppliers and purchasers can both hedge forward but that is a financial contract between them and a bank nothing to do with production.

Where do people get these ideas?
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - turbo11
Its gone up 3p to 93.9p in one week here
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Red Baron
Three underlying reasons...

Warmongering by the Americans and the British in the Middle East, almost complete shutdown of some nigerian oilfields, and the month of May when the American 'driving season' starts. US 'gasoline' stocks are low.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - local yokel
Worth remembering that a barrel of crude produces a fixed amount of any one type of fuel, and refinery capacity is also fixed. The US has what they call the "summer driving season", which tends to drive up petrol prices and starts about now, just as kerosene/heating oil prices will rise in October time.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - graham sherlock
Thanks for all the enlightening, though depressing, facts & views. As usual, I will continue to cough up & grumble. Now where did I put those razor blades...

Just joking, have you ever tried to take a Mach 3 blade apart?
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - madf
Wearily "sigh"
We had this discussion a few months back..
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=34402&...f

with many of the same comments. The more pig ignorant stated it was a conspiracy, bullying etc...

Someone suggested they bought a book on basic economics. That imo is overkill. All you need to know is:
world demand for oil is increasing
despite literally $billions spent last year on exploration, no new LARGE oilfields were found.
It will get worse until prices means we have a recession and we get demand destruction and the price falls and exploration slows down.. and then it will get MUCH worse..






madf
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Adam {P}
On the plus side, I'm reliably informed that it's steak for lunch.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Gromit {P}
This morning's radio news reports crude oil at $69/barrel and offered two reasons:

1) The US is believed to be making plans for a possible strike against Iran, driving up the value of oil on the futures market.
2) The US summer season, with more people driving on holiday, starts in May, so US refineries are buying more crude to stock up on gasoline.

Its seasonal - remember we had much the same effect last October as demand for heating oil rose facing into the winter?
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - TheOilBurner
Yep - that explains why it's increased from about $60 to $69.

It doesn't explain how it got to $60 from around $25 though does it?

There's always some current event that the media can use to pin the tail on the donkey. War in Iraq, attacks on Saudi/Nigerian infrastructure, hurricanes in the GoM, etc etc.
The truth is, oil is up because the supply demand balance is very close. Nothing more, nothing less. There's variance from current events, but not so much as to cause the high prices that have become the norm.
Is that high price range because we can't pump any more oil than the 83-85m Bbl per day we currently average is or is it because supply is simply lagging behind recent increases in demand?

Time will tell.
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - madf
Supply issue

tinyurl.com/b34qd
madf
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - TheOilBurner
Be careful of your sources madf, that article was based on rumour mongering by Petroluem Intelligence Weekly.

Kuwaiti oil production is not officially in decline:

"The report contained some right information but not the whole picture," Energy Minister Sheikh Ahmad Fahd al-Sabah told reporters before leaving for Vienna to attend an OPEC meeting.

"The information is related to only 31 reservoirs we are currently working on. It does not include reserves in another 74 reservoirs which are not developed," Sheikh Ahmad said.

The minister told a press conference late Monday that Kuwait had discovered new reserves estimated at 10-13 billion barrels of light crude in northern Kuwait.

Source (Scroll to comment 256):
peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

The supply side problem will be an issue one day, but it is still unproven, although IEA statistics are certainly looking like we may have reached a plateau in production. But that doesn't mean that production cannot go up again, just that it hasn't yet. Maybe... ;)
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - madf
>Oilburner
What the above Minister says is typical Opec. Oil reserves figures from Opec are neither clear or transparent. They can and are often exaggerated. Output cannot.

I agree world output may rise... or fall.:-) The IEA (see prior thread - link above) has an abysmal shockingly bad record on price forecasting. According to its forecast from just some 14 months ago , oil should be under $40 and heading down..

I can forecast like that or better using a pin....



madf
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Aardvaak
Sometime ago just before a bank holiday,I was filling up at a large well known chain and asked the attendant why has the price of the petrol increased the reply was "the price always increases just before the bank holiday and sometimes goes down a little a week or two later because more people need to travel at holiday time and also fill up beforehand.

Has anyone else heard this?
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - mare
Has anyone else heard this?


No but it sounds quite plausible!
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - JH
Graham,
what a pity cold fusion turned out to be an illusion. We'd all be putting an occasional drop of distilled water into a header tank, there'd be a small reactor & turbine under the bonnet and the steam engine would rule. Or you could generate electricity if you prefer and use electric motors (why?).

Anyone for a Stanley Steamer?

JH
Petrol up! What's the excuse this time! - Fullchat
And now the winter months are (nearly!) behind us the demand for heating oil will fall. Transfer of profit margins onto petrol/diesel as increase in usage demand the summer?
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