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I think that it may be something to do with the setting alignment and glare. Headlights are very carefully set to illuminate the road, but not to dazzle. I think that there is a regulation that they must be above a certain height to enable the headlamp to be angled downwards. Foglights are very near to the ground and shine horizontally. It isn't possible to adjust them. There is no point to them anyhow, when do we get a real fog nowadays?
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Fog lights are the equivalent of sticking two fingers up at everyone that the car passes by and that is what gets my personal goat.
It does seem amazing to me that people appear to be saying 'look at me - I'm breaking the law'. Why give the Police an invitation to stop you?
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I wonder if they get the hint when my fogs go on, shortly followed by high beam...
They never seem to get me back either. They must be asleep at the wheel.
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I think most these numpties don't understand that they're breaking teh law - they just think they're looking "cool".
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Doh - I wish there was an edit button!
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I don't know why the mods don't put the most common typos into the swear filter. It would save a lot of edit button posts...
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I think most of these numpties don't understand that they're breaking the law - they just think they're looking "cool".
In my view, that's exactly why you shouldn't flash them. You're just showing them that they've achieved what they wanted - to be noticed.
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I think the manufacturers should make fog lights reset to off when the ignition is switched off,
You mean like Vauxhall, Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, and countless other manufacturers already do? (well ok, some actually self cancel when the headlight switch is turned off, but it's the same thing) All the futile foglight brigade do is to press the relevant buttons to switch the fogs back on again.
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I have this strange feeling of deja vu. i think there are 1007 posts on "fog lights" and 400 odd on "sporty lights in a forum search.
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so do i. spospe has 14 posts in 45 months, all but one where he has made one contribution and then gone quiet.
see www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=11...8
Foglights - SPOSPE Sat 8 Mar 03 21:20
What do readers of this board think about** the pfd who are so fashionable that they have to drive around with their foglights on at night, especially when it is not even slightly foggy?
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The more people on here witter on about such insignificant trivia as fog lamps, the more I want to use them.
So If you see car with fog lamps on its YOUR fault.
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Thank you all for your contributions and I notice that the majority agree with me that it is the aspect of blatent law-breaking that is so annoying.
It is a sad fact of these discussions that some people cannot stick to the subject and wander off into irrelevance and so I personally intend to end my input here, before we all loose sight of the original subject.
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>>so I personally intend to end my input here
So, we'll see you in about 18 months time in a thread that you will start about fog lights then. And it will be deja vu all over again.
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What's behind the growing number of heavy lorries having their appearance spoiled by two rows of big spotlights - usually 4 lights at bumper level and six on the roof?
Just because the alternator is capable of supplying the power it doesn't mean........!!!!
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Just suppose the driver of such a truck is mildly irritated and wishes to reprove the little old lady getting in his way in a Micra.
He can draw up to ten feet behind, turn on all 12 banks of floods and spots and operate both the ship's foghorns mounted on his roof by pulling on a bit of string.
Timid drivers subjected to reproof of this type have been known to disappear off the face of the earth along with their cars.
So stop carping about a couple of measly foglights.
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"He can draw up to ten feet behind, turn on all 12 banks of floods and spots and operate both the ship's foghorns mounted on his roof by pulling on a bit of string."
A youth of my aquaintance had a Mini with a similar set of four spotlights across the grill. I can't imagine that his generator could feed them all, though.
Those spots and foglights are the motoring equivalent of blokes standing in the bar with rings in their eyebrows and studs in their tongues, thinking they look tough.
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I'm going to throw my hat into the ring and give a different perspective on these issues. I drive every day without fail and i've always maintained that it isnt worth worrying or complaining about trivial issues like this:
- If i see someone with foglights on, i don't care. I don't spend my time counting how many lights cars have on, i prefer to watch the road and pavement for important hazards. Why complain and get annoyed? You'll probably never see that person again, and if you do, they aren't going to give a damn what you think.
- If i see someone driving 35mph in a 30 zone, i don't care. This doesn't bother me in the slightest. If they're in front of me, then they'll be gone and out of my life within a few seconds and if they're behind me, they have to slow to my speed anyway (they're welcome to overtake if i bother them that much).
- If someone tailgates me, i still don't care. I will drive around as i normally do. If they tailgate me, they run the risk of rear-ending me. If this happens, i'll look forward to taking their money, if not then who cares?
- If someone fails to stop for me at a zebra crossing, i don't care. I've got eyes, i'm very capable of seeing and thinking. If it looks like a car won't/can't stop then i just DON'T step out, very simple.
I value my health far to much to go around worrying about all these trivial issues. Complaining makes no difference, so i don't bother. I live a very happy life and i point-blank refuse to get myself annoyed over these issues.
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You've lost me. How is adopting "I don't care" about others a different perspective to boneheads who put on foglights with an "I don't care" attitude?
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They used to annoy me, but I've now conditioned myself into seeing them as amusing. Occasionally if an approaching car has sidelights and foglights on, just for devilment I turn my headlights off and my foglights on until they have gone past.
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They used to annoy me, but I've now conditioned myself into seeing them as amusing. Occasionally if an approaching car has sidelights and foglights on, just for devilment I turn my headlights off and my foglights on until they have gone past.
You're such a tinker.
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So now they think you're copying them because they're 'so cool'?
I'll stick with my retina scarring (Hopefully) full beam treatment.
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At last - the correct foglight attitude.
BUt unfortunately not taken to the ultimate conclusion.
If you *really* dont care you wouldnt post on here about it ;)
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Simple solutions that work for me:
Coming towards you? Put full beam on.
Behind you (assuming not so close that you can't even see the fogs on the Saxo)? Put rear fog lights on.
The real solution is for the police to stop and prosecute these idiots, but they are too busy diguised as trees holding speed guns ten yards into restricted speed zones.
Fog lights for fashion and tail gating must be the two most unpunished crimes on our roads and what will the Police do?
Correct answer.
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Behind you (assuming not so close that you can't even see the fogs on the Saxo)? Put rear fog lights on.
I normally just slam my brakes on for the piece of glass/child/emerging car that just always seems to appear when people tailgate me, fogs or not.
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Oh dear Fog Light = Crime....... Yes hang them all after all there are no worse crimes going unpunished are there.
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Zero Tolerance - it works.
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>>Simple solutions that work for me:
One that works for me would be not to worry about since;
a) who cares ?
b) life is really, really too short for such silly worries
And "Foglights for Fashion" is one of the two most unpunished crimes on our roads ??? Oh please.
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As some commentator said the other day "We live in a police state but with no policemen!"
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Symbolic's philosophy is spot on-drive defensively and look after yourself.
It is most satisfying to apply the practises Symbolic advises to BMW drivers, 99.999% of whom are complete prats.
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Should be banned completely - if fog is bad enough to need them, you're either going too fast, or you shouldn't be driving.
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Msst1w, I also go for the occassional dab of the brakes, but if they do actually go in the back of you there is a very big chance in Croydon that (a) they are uninsured (b) they knife you (c) they shoot you, possibly all three which is a bind.
I must say though that when I win £20 mil on the lottery, apart from putting a supercharged V10 into a Proton Impian I will certainly buy a small fleet of reasonably priced cars and spend a morning or evening a week collecting rear shunts from Chavs, laughing and sending their insurer (one in two chance) the bill. Great fun.
Agree with the BMW driver comments as well. £30,000 for a car with no indicators? Pah!
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" .... BMW drivers, 99.999% of whom are complete prats"
Bit of a sweeping statement, Salty, and one to which many could well take exception, particcularly bearing in mind that your 0.001% presumably has to cater for the many responsible BMW drivers who read and/or post on this site.
Jack
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You should be glad that these people are using their foglights in this manner.
It provides a useful warning that the driver is an idiot and that extra care should be taken as they approach. It's like many other indicators of poor driving ability, a contribution to the road safety of the advanced driver.
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Especially the ones with after-market lamps, that seem bright enough to outshine the dipped main lamps. I've seen several of these things locally. Squared off, hanging on wobbly brackets, resembling "security" lamps. Specially designed to bring light pollution to the roads. Where are the police, when these nits are self advertising their nittiness?
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