Hi,
I've recently been informed that i'm through to the final assessment centre for PSA Peugoet Citroen's Graduate Operations Management Scheme.
This would mean working in the Ryton fatcory, Coventry.
I understand that Ryton is under threat as a long term production site for Peugoet, as the new 207 will soon be out, and whilst there will be an overlap with the 206 (made at Ryton) obviously the 206 will be phased out eventually.
Does anyone know of any concrete plans to move production at Ryton onto a new product?
I don't really fancy getting a job which will see me a) unemployed or b) have to move abroad to keep my job in a couple of years time, however the job itself is a good'un, and i'd take it if it wasn't for the insecurity issues.
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The Ryton plant has been making different cars there since Rootes Group owned it!
When I visited on a University trip they were making 405s, when I went there 3 years ago they were happily churning out 206s.
Unfortunately the motor industry in the UK isn't a safe haven (not many industries are here) so any job will be a risk. Basically you could turn up at any job and find yourself collecting a P45 a month after your welcome pack. However I think Peugeot have a good training program and some of their equipment is fantastic.
Gareth
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"they were making 405s, when I went there 3 years ago they were happily churning out 206s"
.. and in between they made the Mk.I 306, until production of the Mk.2 moved to France to make room for the 206. Nothing is certain, but I guess the investment at Ryton is large enough for it to have a reasonable future. As others have said, try to make yourself versatile and employable.
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These days you cant use job security as one of your criteria. Unless you are in the civil service, no one has Job security these days.
So weigh up all the other pro's and cons. Actually I think the chance to complete your training in France would be great and look good on the CV!
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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Better than that, get a job in the french civil service!
Agree job security is a thing of the past, my uncle spent 40 years in the same company. One of the reasons I have my own business is so I'm in control of my life rather than someone else.
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......and become fluent in another language and culture. (unless you already are of course.)
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Car manufacturing is global. This means you could end up working in France, Eastern Europe, India, China or wherever, according to political or financial decisions, if you remain in any manufacturing industry.
Germany is shedding jobs at an alarming rate.
My advice is to go for it.
Try and obtain current industry magazines/info
eg www.autonews.com
Google: "peugeot strategy" - and watch the spelling !
Re: the future of Ryton - you will find this out at interview, as European Works Councils will have been involved.
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These days you cant use job security as one of your criteria. Unless you are in the civil service, no one has Job security these days.
Quite a lot of civil servants have either been made redundant, or otherwise got rid of in the last couple of years. Local offices for various departments have closed down or merged and pockets of people, perhaps 20-50 at a time, have been quietly made redundant. Job centre staff are on strike at the moment over this - 30,000 jobs to go, and the union reckons 15,000 have gone in the last 2 yrs.
Sometime new jobs have been created, but they're generally in call centres - how long before your tax is being dealt with by someone in India?
And before anyone says they don't care - bear in mind that people in India don't buy UK goods or services.
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>> These days you cant use job security as one of your >> criteria. Unless you are in the civil service, no one has >> Job security these days. >> Quite a lot of civil servants have either been made redundant, or otherwise got rid of in the last couple of years.
Concur with that, our first batch of redundancys (voluntary) are gone end of March this year, and redundancy programme runs untill 2008. Funnily enough we still have the same amount of work to do, the in tray just gets bigger. Even worse,it's nigh on certain that other departments who presently work at Donnington,Telford, Andover and St Ives in Cambs are being relocated to a site in Bristol.
Fair enough point, about moving Civil Servents out of london, but, the percieved cost savings for moving our departments to Bristol will take years to come to fruition ( if ever).
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Hi
On your application form just get one thing right 'Peugoet' is in fact spelt Peugeot. {Topmost post now amended, for anyone using the forum search in the future. DD}
Lots of graduates start at Ryton and then move on from there. Don't forget there's the Coventry head office (Aldermoor House), the parts distribution centre in Tile Hill for Peugeot, Citroen and Motaquip parts and 4 regional offices around the UK. Therefore there's plenty of opportunity move around.
Good luck.
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Was Charles {P} but someone c o p i e d my name with spaces.
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I started working for a UK motor company and now earn my most of my money in Germany.
Take my advice, join PSA and wangle every opportunity you can to get training in France. Learn French (and German, if poss.). At graduate level you will pick up twice the salary in Europe and enjoy a better working environment (this is my experience as an engineer - may be different in other job funtions of course).
If you are in engineering then don't, on any account, join UK public sector. Jobs are NOT secure and pay is rubbish. I can't see the much vaunted pension schemes lasting much longer either.
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If you are in engineering then don't, on any account, join UK public sector. Jobs are NOT secure and pay is rubbish. I can't see the much vaunted pension schemes lasting much longer either.
As an add to that, sort your own pension out, start it as soon as you can and don't depend on occupational ones as your sole pension route. IMHO, and not intended to be patronising.
Back to OP. An opportunity in a multi-national like Peugeot would be great, and who knows where it could take you, career or location wise. Go for it!
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I have often heard that Ryton is for the chop.
If you never want to work outside the UK, then don't do it.
Other "indigenous" manufacturers like Toyota in Burnaston (!) would be a better long-term bet.
And whatever else you do, do NOT commit yourself to any kind of pension, presuming you are under 40, except perhaps an occupational one. They are not portable in terms of contributions even between EU member states!
I speak from experience...
pat
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Thanks for your replies.
I've got other jobs i'm in the running for too, all UK mass manufacture (Cadbury and Unilever), so i guess you're right in saying that i can't be too confident on long term job security anywhere.
I'll have to see which, if any jobs i get offered first anyway
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If possible take the job at Cadbury. (Or Cabdury as you?d probably spell it). My mam worked at McVities in Manchester and she used to bring home chocolate that had been poured into plastic vending machine cups. Used to set rock hard. Mmm. And huge boxes of wonky penguins that had failed quality control because the tops weren?t properly aligned with the bottoms. What more do you want in a career?
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caramel?
\"a little man in a big world/\"
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I think on a longer term basis there are going to be no more new factories in Western Europe (I've read that commentators think the Valenciennes Toyota factory was the last one) so you are looking at probably having to work in Eastern Europe, Africa or Asia (which might be interesting). There are also the consulting engineering firms (ricardo et al) and or the specialists aimed at the Formula 1/Specialist builders eg Rolls Royce/Bentley that might have some further potential...
Just remain flexible and think very much at looking after no 1 ie ur skills, knowledge and contacts...most firms will show u no loyalty so remember to grab whatever insights/secondments/training u can get wherever u may be...and best of luck.
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