cctv - Mary Scott
Can council cctv cameras catch you for going through red lights?
cctv - 42 years and counting ...
YES!
cctv - Hamsafar
I don't think so, unless officially approved to do so.
cctv - Mary Scott
I see. Do static cctv cameras, (which vary between pointing at traffic controlled junctions and another area every few hours) have to show any signs that they are officially approved to catch people going through red lights? Also do they have a particular look to them or do they look like ordinary grey cctv cameras? Just trying to settle a friday argument!
cctv - Adam {P}
Before yesterday, I would have said they can't catch you. However, I read on PePiPoo that a bloke is being done for going through one and the evidence of a CCTV camera.

No signs are needed whatsoever.
cctv - Pugugly {P}
Not quite right Adam. All town centre schemes need signs on their periphary with data protection warnings on them. Town centre CCTV systems can be used to capture any offence from litterinr through to homicide. Its not a money making ruse, simple mark 1 eyeball linked to video evidence. Depends how bored the operator was or how stupid/dangerous the offence. I presume that cameras could be set to catch offenders at a site where there are persistnt problems.
cctv - Adam {P}
I do apologise for my vague reply PU - I meant no signs needed with regards to their use for catching red light jumpers.
cctv - Pugugly {P}
Sorry Adam - pedantic mode, but if the data protection signs were missing it could exclude the video evidence.
cctv - Adam {P}
Really? So even if I clearly jumped a red light, if there were no signs whatsoever, I couldn't get done? That sounds like a ridiculous loophole don't you think?
cctv - Pugugly {P}
Look up the word "could" ;-)
cctv - Adam {P}
Sorry - I don't read posts properly!
cctv - Navara Van man
If you do go through red/amber make sure you dont get done by an unmarked car like I did once.
cctv - martint123
If you do go through red/amber make sure you dont get done by an unmarked car like I did once.

Or an HGV going through his green.
cctv - Mary Scott
Did he/she pull you over and charge you or did they just send you a notice of intended prosecution?
cctv - sierraman
If you do go through red/amber make sure you dont
get done by an unmarked car like I did once.

Hard to see how you can avoid this if you have just comitted a traffic offence and been seen by the plod.
cctv - Mary Scott
Does the 14 day NIP rule still apply if you are caught with cctv cameras like other GASTO cameras?
cctv - Adam {P}
I'm guessing someone you know has gone through a red light and they're panicking?
cctv - Mary Scott
Yeh they are!
cctv - Adam {P}
Well to put their mind at rest, it would take a really bored CCTV operator to have been paying attention enough. I've seen a control room and there are literally 10's of small TV's - for somsone to have been paying attention enough to notice a red light and someone's disregard for it is low.

I'd just wait until/if anything happens which, without meaning to get your hopes up, isn't very likely.
cctv - Pugugly {P}
Yes.
cctv - Pugugly {P}
To NIP requirement.
cctv - Bromptonaut
CCTV is certainly being used in London to enforce turn restrictions and catch box junction offenders. Will be rolled out to other parts of the country idc. I've never heard of it bieng used routinely to monitor red light jumpers where no accident occurs, but cctv record might be called for to prove culpability in the evnt of a crash.
NIP rule? - Mary Scott
Does the NIP 14 day rule apply if a car goes through a red traffic light and a police car goes by but doesn't stop the car? Also does it apply if there is a cctv camera up the road from the traffic light junction? Or is there a longer time period to hand out a NIP in these cases?
NIP rule? - turbo11
I believe the NIP 14 day time is a guidance not a rule.You can receive an NIP weeks after the offence as long as it was posted by the issuing force within 14 days.
NIP rule? - Mary Scott
When you say 'weeks after the 14 days' are you referring to it being lost in the post / being delivered to the wrong owner if the registration details havent been updated?
NIP rule? - turbo11
yes.An NIP can get "lost in the post".I received one,more than a month after the offence.Its still valid.they have no expiry.
Post - Mary Scott
Really? Hopefully they are not post-dating them and then blaming it on the post! I suppose all you can go on is the postage stamp as to when it reached the post sorting depot.
NIP rule? - AngryJonny
Regardless of the NIP rule, I can't imagine anyone getting a NIP in either of these circumstances.

CCTV is typically used to monitor traffic flow and although it can be used to keep an eye on lights etc, I can't imagine the coppers sit there trawling through 168 hours of footage per camera per week looking for number plates they can't read.

And if a copper is going to let someone drive through a red light without stopping and breathalysing them, but later issue a NIP, they should be sacked.


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AngryJonny (was E34kid)
NIP rule? - Mary Scott
Just heard that the 14 day rule only applies to GASTO / red traffic light cameras.
NIP rule? - Adam {P}
Mary,

PU answered this in your other thread {Now merged. DD}. The answer is the 14 day rule does apply. (He knows about these things - trust him!)

Assuming the car is registered in your friend's name, wait 17 days. 14 for them to send it out plus 3 days breating/postage time space.

Failing that, you're in the clear.

A cop would pull you over for running a red light.
re - Mary Scott
sorry - just very persistant friend!
re - Adam {P}
Tell them not to panic!!!
re - Dwight Van Driver
Whilst I would tend to agree with Adam above, the offence committed is failing to conform to a Traffic Sign which like speeding requires NOIP to be served on Reg Keeper or driver of the vehicle if known within 14 days not counting the day of the offence. Failure to do so means no proceedings possible for that offence.

Whilst the offence witnessed by Police but offender not stopped does not automatically mean that is the end of the story. If he took the VRM of the offending vehicle and wished to pursue the matter on a paper trail then NOIP would be sent to the Reg keeper of the vehicle together with demand for Keeper to name driver (Offence not to do so). Once driver established then file submitted for service of summons and Court hearing.

However under circumstances explained very, very doubtful a brown envelope will be dropping on the matter within 15 days of offence (14 days an ignoring day of offence).

dvd
NIPs - Pugugly {P}
The law is very much the same as it has been for the last twenty yeas (plus). At the time of the offence the Officer can give you a verbal NIP, in the old days this was sufficient, now more likely to be backed up by a written one. Coppers used to type these up themselves, these dys probably an e-mail whizzed to their admin dept and posted out fro their. A nice little thing I've done in the past is when an Officer claimed to have given a verbal one at the time, I get them to recite it in the box. "You will be reported for the consideration of the question of prosecuting you for the offence of....." I wonder how many cops actually can claim to know that word perfect ?