I left mine on by accident once too, the copper pulled me over but also let me off being first offence. Gateshead at the time.
Needless to say I dam make sure that its not happening anytime again.
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If I see a car coming towards me with foglights on in clear conditions I put mine on to let the driver know that I am "cool" as well! (I turn them off as soon as the car has passed.)
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There is the other side of course. Had be 'spoken to' instead of reported/FPN then only him would have been aware of the offence.
By the action taken and it spreads the word - YOU ALL KNOW it is likely you will be done.
Cheaper and less incovenient to all than having a media campaign or road check.
Legislation is made by our Masters and YOU employ Plod to enforce. If you don't like the law don't blame Plod......
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Lets not forget - we have no idea how the bloke reacted to being stopped. The cop could have just give him a warning and he could have gone off on a tangent saying pretty much what's been said here and so, the cop's decided to ticket him.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that he broke the law and got fined 30 quid. Hardly enough to get upset about and I'll bet he doesn't "leave" his fogs on again.
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Obviously a very quiet day for the local TV. The amount of non stories on these programmes gets worse. Our local paper has recently had two full page stories with a big photo of some numpty holding a letter from his insurance company. The story being that his insurance renewal has doubled in a year and it's all because of where he lives (rather than the insurance company trying to claw back some of the discount they applied to get him to sign up!). Both articles then go on to say the individual featured has shopped around and found insurance at the same or less than they paid the previous year - so what's the problem?
In this case good on the police. We are constantly told driving standards and knowledge of the laws is getting worse and when someone is fined there is uproar. Similar story the other week about a lost motorist who stopped on the hard shoulder to ask a traffic officer directions and was fined - her defence 'I don't drive on motorways and didn't know the way. I didn't know it was an offence to stop on the hard shoulder in a non emergency'.
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Lets not forget - we have no idea how the bloke reacted to being stopped. The cop could have just give him a warning and he could have gone off on a tangent saying pretty much what's been said here and so, the cop's decided to ticket him. Lets not lose sight of the fact that he broke the law and got fined 30 quid. Hardly enough to get upset about and I'll bet he doesn't "leave" his fogs on again.
In my original post I did wonder if there was more to this story - e.g. the guy showed some 'attitude' and hence(understandably) got his ticket.
If that was not the case then I don't blame him for being upset, especially as his record of 40 years 'undetected crime' had gone.
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Attitude test.
I could easily talk my way out that offence. And not by "do you realise I have been driving for 40 years, probably before you were born" I can picture the puffed up indignant rage from here.
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Attitude test. I could easily talk my way out that offence. And not by "do you realise I have been driving for 40 years, probably before you were born" I can picture the puffed up indignant rage from here.
TVM, I suspect you are probably right. Except that the quote would probably have started with "Now look here sonny, ..."
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Trouble is... the laws in this country are like religion. Outdated, self-contradictory and blatantly rubbish in many cases. They go back to times when the rulers (monarch or parliament) had their own agendas and they never got repealed. For example:
It is illegal to eat a mince pie on Christmas day.
It is illegal for a Welsh person to be within the city walls of Chester after sunset.
It is illegal to impersonate a Chelsea pensioner.
It is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman as long as it's done with a bow and arrow from York city walls.
It is perfectly legal to relieve oneself against the wheel of a Hackney carriage.
Theoretically, you can still be arrested and have a day in the stocks for eating a mince pie after your Christmas dinner. It's only selective policing that stops this happening. Someone needs to have a good sort out of all the laws in this country and work out which still apply.
Agree with the fog light issue though. You can't miss it if your fog lights are on. That big orange light next to the speedo should be a good clue. And why is it always fronts and never rears?
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The only one I would repeal is the mince pie jobbie. The rest should all be enforced.
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Possibly goign slightly off-topic, but there's more to these laws than you'd think.
and they never got repealed. For example: It is illegal to eat a mince pie on Christmas day.
This isn't quite true. This was made illegal during the interregnum (when we had no King) by Cromwell. Now the laws made during that time were never signed off by the monarch, and therefore are not laws. When the interregnum ended, a decision had to be made as to what to do about the laws during those 20 years. They couldn't ratify them, to do so would confirm that laws can be passed without the King, and therefore lessen the 'divine right'. But they couldn't deny them, some had already had major consequences. So they just pretended they had never happened. If you look in the statute books, there's a 20 year gap. So, the law has never been repealed, but officially it never existed.
It is illegal to impersonate a Chelsea pensioner.
Apparently, this is because people kept stealing the hospitals bedsheets.
It is perfectly legal to relieve oneself against the wheel of a Hackney carriage.
I'm not sure that one is totally true either. It is illegal for a cabbie to leave his hackney carriage untended, and therefore it was made legal for him to relieve himself on the wheel. I don't think it's legal for just anyone to do it.Incidentally, it has to be a particular wheel, for some reason (can't remember which one).
It was also law that a taxi had to carry a bale of hay, but that was repealed, only a few years ago though.
Can you tell I got a book about this for Christmas? My favourite one was a law passed by James II, who said that all young women walking in public must have their breasts exposed to the nipple 'in order to prove their virginity'. Hmm... Not so the King can get an eyeful then?
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Agree with the fog light issue though. You can't miss it if your fog lights are on. That big orange light next to the speedo should be a good clue. And why is it always fronts and never rears?
A few weeks before Christmas I was driving up the M1 at 8am so it was pretty much light, but thick fog conditions. I thought the conditions warranted rear fog lights, and plenty of people had them on.
But I was amazed to see a few cars with front fogs on, but no rear fogs! So you could see them coming up behind from 400 yards away, but they'd disappear in front in 150 yards. Whats going on in these peoples heads?
Regardless of our opinions on whether it is a stupid law or not, the fact is that it is the law and I thought the majority of people knew that. So why do people complain when they get a ticket for it?!
I saw a post ages ago on another forum by a traffic cop who said he sometimes hands out 30 such tickets on a night shift, but only if he has time between attending higher priority incidents. If police had the time and the manpower, they would clamp down on it.
People seem to assume that because lots of people are doing it, then it must be okay.
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" but they'd disappear in front in 150 yards. Whats going on in these peoples heads"
Ahh, it was YOU who was breaking the law then, I imagine complying with the Highway Code rule of less than 100 yards was going on in their heads?
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Visibility could have been less than 100 yards. Lights penetrate through the fog - but after 100 yards it may only have been the lights visible.
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Ok then, they'd disappear 95 yards in front! ;o)
Conditions were bad enough for the majority of people to have their rear fogs on.
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About someone got penalised for this. Many fog lights do dazzle, and it is the duty of all drivers to know the law. In my 45 years of driving I have always known that any light lower than about 2 feet from the ground must only be used in fog or falling snow.
The idea of front fog lights was always that they have a low beam and sharp cut-off, so they do not reflect back off the fog or falling snow. They don't actually penetrate the fog any better. So why should it be possible to have both fog and head lights on at the same time, as the headlights will spoil the effect?
How about a few more fixed tickets for illegal window tinting and number plates whilst we are at it? More ways for some idiots to try to look cool, whilst ignoring the law.
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The idea of front fog lights was always that they have a low beam and sharp cut-off, so they do not reflect back off the fog or falling snow. They don't actually penetrate the fog any better. So why should it be possible to have both fog and head lights on at the same time, as the headlights will spoil the effect?
It's not only possible to use headlights at the same time, it's obligatory if I read the Highway Code correctly. I agree with you - I have experienced falling snow/fog where I really want the headlights off, on the basis that I can see better with foglights alone which also permit being seen.
I will say that the projector type headlights on my current car throw less light low and to the side than I am used to, and (shock, horror)at moderate speeds on cruddy roads with poorly defined edges I actually find the foglights helpful - having always regarded the use of foglights in good visibility as heresy I now have a dilemma!
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You can't miss it if your fog lights are on. That big orange light next to the speedo should be a good clue.
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IMO You are an optomist.
I have told other, non chav drivers, when we have been stationary in traffic, that their rear fog lights are on.
Several times there has been frantic searching around the dash but the result has been a shrug of the shoulders, an odd sort of smile and lights still on.
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OK then. I'll rephrase that.
"You shouldn't be able to miss it if your fog lights are on"
If you're unaware that they're on it's a combination of bad car design and a not particularly savvy driver. Both my current car and my previous car have lights in the console that warn that front or rear fogs are on - similar to the main-beam light. You can't miss them. Can't remember about other cars I've had.
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I live near Chester. Thanks for the tip....
On the point of the topic, I wonder if the ASA will now reconsider their decision on the Ford ad that mentioned "cool driving lights"? Or is it too much to expect any sort of joined-up thinking in our sceptred isle?
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You have to admire the chaps honesty of going on TV in front of thousands to admit to breaking the law. Lots of others have accepted the punishment, learnt from their mistakes and got on with life.......
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The fog light on my isuzu used to be placed to the right of the dash and directly out of vision. Due to forgeting on ocasion to cancel it I had the gardage move it when they did the service £20.
As usual the police / goverment making easy picking on the law abiding and licensed motorist.
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Why don't they just make foglights reset to off when the ignition is switched off?
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Why don't they just make foglights reset to off when the ignition is switched off?
Best suggestion so far - but so simple surely there mnust be a good reason why not?
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Why don't they just make foglights reset to off when the ignition is switched off?
Of which Vauxhall have been doing for the last few years now.
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I have to admit using my rear fog light in really bad rain so bad was the spray, mist and rain combination I could only just make out the rear lights of the car in front, I noticed only after I decided to put my rear fogs on that all the other motorists around me followed suit.
but on this case maybe the police saw it as an easy catch, I would like to see penalty points for the offence of having coloured sidelights or headlights.
I know someone who got a FPN for £30 for using the mobile phone and that was before the law was passed.
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As usual the police / goverment making easy picking on the law abiding and licensed motorist.
If he had his fogs in in visibility >100mtrs than he was not law abiding.
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The point being that the driver beikng picked on was driving a redgisterd, taxed and insured car as oposed to the minority that drive around with none of the above aware that the police presence is apalingly low and intrested only in making a fast buck and achieving goverment targets eg the fool that gave me 3 points for driving through a green turning amber light two years ago.
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Seems to me that everyone likes to see plenty of coppers about, 'zero tolerance', cars being stopped - so long as its not them.
I'd like to see the police nail the idiots who are still using cellphones whilst driving. I see this a lot. I guess they don't regard themselves as 'law breakers'...?
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The point is not zero tolerance but putting a stop to unredgisterd drivers. Picking on the ordinary motorist mearly causes friction and alinantes the police leaving them in a poor postion to efectively takle seriouse crime.
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Picking on the ordinary motorist
Yes, but if the ordinary motorist is breaking the law then he is not being 'picked on' by being stopped.
The police aren't there just to catch Jack-the-Lad racing his Nova round the council estate - they are there to police everyone, including middle & upper class folks.
I agree there should be more traffic police though, keeping an eye out for bad driving.
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There are whole series of threads on the backroom devoted to people complaining about the focus on speed cameras and the lack of traffic police. But then when the traffic police do their job, there are complaints that they are "picking on people".
Poor police: damned if they do, damned if they don't.
The point is not zero tolerance but putting a stop to unredgisterd drivers. Picking on the ordinary motorist mearly causes friction and alinantes the police leaving them in a poor postion to efectively takle seriouse crime.
Why exacty is fining motorists who are dazzling other drivers "picking on" them when stoping unregistered drivers isn't? Why is better to be a nuisance on the road than to be unable to afford tax and insurance?
It seems to me that the sort of selective policing which you advocate is just the sort of thing which leads to working-class areas becoming hostile to the police, depriving them of assistance in the areas where it's most needed.
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Why exacty is fining motorists who are dazzling other drivers "picking on" them when stoping unregistered drivers isn't? Why is better to be a nuisance on the road than to be unable to afford tax and insurance? It seems to me that the sort of selective policing which you advocate is just the sort of thing which leads to working-class areas becoming hostile to the police, depriving them of assistance in the areas where it's most needed.
No Wheels,
I am not surprised you managed to see this subject as some kind of social equality issue. With two unnecessary two 60 watt bulbs contributing to the greenhouse effect you missed the chance to play the environmental card as well.
Also I would have thought you just might have understood the difference in severity of offence between driving with fog lights and driving with no tax and insurance. I am not sure of the relevance of not being able to afford tax and insurance, presumably car thieves can't afford to buy the cars they steal either.
As anyone who has lived abroad for any length of time will testify, British police have earned a well deserved reputation for policing with fairness and common sense. It is precisely because it is so unlike the police to issue a ticket in those circumstances that the BBC covered the story. One the face of things, it seems to be petty and an unnecessary 'own goal'.
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No Wheels, I am not surprised you managed to see this subject as some kind of social equality issue. With two unnecessary two 60 watt bulbs contributing to the greenhouse effect you missed the chance to play the environmental card as well.
That's a bit unfair. I agree that its a small offence, but an offence nonetheless. Also the police may use the offence to pull over the driver and take a look at his documents and the condition of his vehicle. People who are happy enough (or careless enough) to commit a minor offence are often prepared to commit more major offences. And, of course, there is probably a bit more to this story (e.g. the driver kicked-off with the copper concerned).
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While I am a little nervous about mentioning the word 'pedestrian' on these pages, I am one for the time being, and I trundle my way down a very quiet, unlit lane each night at around six in the evening, with my torch picking out the path and letting people know where I am. Usually I can see perfectly well by moonlight, but I wave the torch beam across the path when a car approaches.
Even though I wear a bright red coat, even though I have little reflective thingies on my arms, and I have a torch, and I am on the path with a two foot verge seperating me from the road, some drivers still feel the need to mash every light switch in their car, lighting the path up like a forensic investigation and causing me to flail around like something out of Night of the Living Dead. I appreciate their desire not to squish me like a bug, but every time one of the fog-light-main-beamers sweep by I am effectively blind for the next minute and have to stop for fear of careering into the road, down a pothole, into a tree, etc.
This guy should have been fined, purely to make him remember not to dazzle everything in his path. It's only thirty quid, which I consider to be a token fine to aide his memory.
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Also I would have thought you just might have understood the difference in severity of offence between driving with fog lights and driving with no tax and insurance. I am not sure of the relevance of not being able to afford tax and insurance, presumably car thieves can't afford to buy the cars they steal either.
Of course they are issues of different severity, which is why they attract different penalties -- up to several thousand pounds for tax&insurance, but only a £30 penalty for the foglights.
But why should a driver who dazzles others be regarded as a good egg who shouldn't be prosecuted or fined, in the name of good relations, when the same people want no mercy shown to unregistered drivers?
Heavy fines or a crushed car for someone with an unregistered car may mean economic devastation for the owner. People on low incomes often need a car to get work, specially as work becomes more flexible and is less likely to be close to home, and sometimes the sums simply don't add up. An unregistered car is a serious offence, and needs to be punished, but when people in difficult circumstances are pushed towards that offence, it's going to badly undermine their confidence in the law if they feel they are being singled out as the police go all soft on the menaces caused by other drivers.
Switching off fog lights doesn't mean not topping up the electricity meter, and it doesn't mean doing without food, but it is important for safety. Don't disadvantaged people also have a right to know that the offences to which they are tempted are not being singled out?
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But why should a driver who dazzles others be regarded as a good egg who shouldn't be prosecuted or fined,
"Dazzle others?" "Important for safety?"
It was broad daylight and he had on fog lights that are mounted low and designed to illuminate just in front of the car.
Come on No Wheels you can do better.
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"Dazzle others?" "Important for safety?" It was broad daylight and he had on fog lights that are mounted low and designed to illuminate just in front of the car.
So driving with foglights on is only a problem at night, is it?
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God just realised for the first time since being here that I'm agreeing with No Wheels.
Foglights even in daylight dazzle if its been raining as they reflect off the road, mask other road users you can't produce lots of watts of light; such as pedestrians, cyclists & moped/scooter type things. I had a range rover the other week with Xenons & foglights 2ft off my bumper whilst in the porsche & I was dazzled in duk light levels.
Also if this muppet does it in daylight I bet my life that he does it at night.
Tough he got a £30 fine either as others have said take it like a man, not demonstarte your ignorance & stupidity to others by going public. Although a few more nicked would be a good idea.
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It is precisely because it is so unlike the police to issue a ticket in those circumstances that the BBC covered the story. One the face of things, it seems to be petty and an unnecessary 'own goal'.
There is nothing extraordinary about getting a ticket for misuse of front fog lights. Ive just been on another website to find the "30 tickets per shift" post I mentioned yesterday, but couldnt find it. Instead I found one by a different traffic cop who says he's issued 22 so far this month.
So this bloke is not being unfairly victimised; he's just one of many.
Its possible he could have got away with a written warning, but he presumably did something to make the copper decide on the fine instead. He didnt get any points, its only a £30 fine, he should pay it like everybody else who gets a ticket has to; learn from his mistake, and not go moaning to the BBC.
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The thing is, if he has his fog lights on during the day, chances are they're on at night, too. If there's water on the road, then the lights reflect straight into the eyes of oncoming drivers.
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bout time the plod stopped it......its become fashionable to use side lights and fog lights only
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I say leave them on.....nothing like a moving traffic offence to be able to give an instant roadside breath test ;-)....and with the new powers to seize an car driven by an uninsured driver.....who shall we stop today???
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Why fine the guy? A warning would have suficed. Why the inclination to punish other than to raise revenue.
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Why fine the guy? A warning would have suficed. Why the inclination to punish other than to raise revenue.
£30 as a stealth tax!!! Cost nearly that to collect it.
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Then why fine and not just give the guy a warning
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Nw, how is the isue of fineing a driver for using foglights class related? lol
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Nw, how is the isue of fineing a driver for using foglights class related? lol
It's not. But someone earlier in the thread was advocating letting ppl off for this sort of offence, and only chasing the unreg cars -- which tends to mean that it's only poor people who get hauled in.
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Why fine the guy? A warning would have suficed. Why the inclination to punish other than to raise revenue.
I think you'll find that the £30 fine doesn't even go part way into paying for plod's time taken when he gets back to the station and has to complete the paperwork.
Yes, plod could have just issued a warning, but a fine is a more guaranteed way of making sure the driver will think twice about leaving the fog lights on again.
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Unbelievably I saw a bus being driven by someone using a mobile,it wasn.t in service and the guy was wearing an oily hi-viz vest.Have emailed the 'primary'bus co.but they do not seem interested.
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I'd like to see the police nail the idiots who are still using cellphones whilst driving. I see this a lot. I guess they don't regard themselves as 'law breakers'...?
Unbelievably I saw a bus being driven by someone using a mobile,have emailed the 'primary'bus co.but they do not seem to be interested.
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"Agree with the fog light issue though. You can't miss it if your fog lights are on. That big orange light next to the speedo should be a good clue. And why is it always fronts and never rears?"
Wrong!!
There are no lights on the dash of my Subaru or the Honda CR-V we had to tell you the front fogs are on. The light is in the switch and the switch is so well hidden that you cannot tell at a quick glance if the lights are on. Hence, it is only at night could you tell if the lights are on, by seeing the beam.
The rear fogs warning lilght is always on the dash as they are compulsory in Europe. Not front fogs.
BTW, having used fogs recently and for good reason, I can tell you that they are a waste of time, The beam is to short to be any use excpet possibly in an area with not street lights for three miles, and no decent kerb or other warning of the road edge. They are actually very useful on a dark night without fog, to give better detail of the road surface right in front of you.
I can see no reason why they should be used as Volvo DRLs are.
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Well said Espada. As i stated earlier the switch in the isuzu is out of the drivers line of sight, being tucked next to the steering colum.
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Wrong!!
You're half right. I was half wrong. Just checked my Galant and although the rear-fog light indicator is orange, the front fog indicator is green, not orange. My bad.
Lucky me, I appear to have chosen a car that might save me 30 quid at some point over the next few years.
Of course, there is so much thick fog these days that visibility is down to less than 100m very often. Were it not for the light on my dashboard I'd completely forget that I'd been doing 10mph through soup and neglect to switch them off.
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so it is ok to drive a car and be unaware of its controls???
i can tell what is happening in my car.....so are u saying that "at a quick glance" you would miss the oil light or the coolant warning light??
i say again,,these "front foggers" are just trying to show us that they have these lights....
"my car is of a higher spec than yours"
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"im a boy look at me"
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I commute along dark country lanes including some fast T junctions, when a driver behind has front fogs on it dazzles in the mirrors and can be very distracting. I would like to see more fines to make the general public more aware of the law, i.e no fogs unless visibility less than 100m
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I commute along dark country lanes including some fast T junctions, when a driver behind has front fogs on it dazzles in the mirrors and can be very distracting. I would like to see more fines to make the general public more aware of the law, i.e no fogs unless visibility less than 100m
That's my situation - lots of driving on dark lanes. I regularly go over a couple of humped-back bridges and when the 4x4 green welly types come barging over with every light on, it doesn't half blind you. I also notice an increasing tendancy for these characters not to dip their lights either - which is really bad manners in my book. They also come right up behind with fogs on - its like something off 'Close Encounters'
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If its to be said that people should not be discriminated because of their ethnicity,gender marital status,age etc. Then should that group be positivly discriminated against or given favourable treatment?? Is 60 old these days? The suggestion maybe is that the victim hear is some poor old frail defenceless man whose been victimised. He hasn't even reached retirement age yet.
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The law's the law, and I'm not defending or advocating foglights in good visibility, but I have to say that very few of the built in ones on modern cars dazzle at all, and I have far more of a problem with badly adjusted headlights.
In terms of inconsiderate road behaviour foglightitis has nothing on tailgating - about which nothing is done as far as I can tell - and from this point on I resolve not to get excited about it, at all.
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If your dazled by other drivers simply flash them or put on your main beams too.
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...or slow down until they are no longer a problem to you.
Flashing or main beams doesn't really help much. You might...er...dazzle them and cause an accident.
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If your dazled by other drivers simply flash them or put on your main beams too.
You won't get any prizes for giving that answer in your driving test
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BTW, having used fogs recently and for good reason, I can tell you that they are a waste of time, The beam is to short to be any use excpet possibly in an area with not street lights for three miles, and no decent kerb or other warning of the road edge. They are actually very useful on a dark night without fog, to give better detail of the road surface right in front of you.
I'd say this is entirely the wrong way around.
You're right, foglights hardly shine any distance ahead of you, they're designed for terrible conditions, where you should probably be doing a snails pace - and if you are, then that small distance is enough for you to manoeuvre appropriately.
On the other hand, on a dark, non-foggy night, they still shine a tiny distance ahead of you, but you'll likely be doing at least 40mph, in which case the distance they light up is utterly useless, you can't possibly react in that distance anyway.
I've heard the arguments about them 'lighting up the road-side' before, but I disagree with it. They might make you feel more safe, because you can see their light beam spreading out to the side, but they don't light far enough ahead to be of any practical benefit.
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BB: if they do help, and assuming those who find that fogs light up the road far enough ahead to be useful @ 40 are not imaging things, they must be incorrectly aimed and/or using over-powerful bulbs. Fogs on my car project light just a few feet ahead. Only useful in proper fog, and I've never used them in 3 years from new, except to try their effect.
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BB: if they do help, and assuming those who find that fogs light up the road far enough ahead to be useful @ 40 are not imaging things, they must be incorrectly aimed and/or using over-powerful bulbs. Fogs on my car project light just a few feet ahead. Only useful in proper fog, and I've never used them in 3 years from new, except to try their effect.
Exactly. If they're actually providing help in normal dark conditions, over and above what your dipped beam is doing, then they're clearly mis-aimed, and are probably causing glare and dazzle to other road users.
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The rear fogs warning lilght is always on the dash as they are compulsory in Europe. Not front fogs.
Not the case - the only obligation is to have a light showing that the rear fogs are on, it doesn't have to be on the dash. The light on my Audi is on the light switch and can't be seen from the drivers seat anyway! You can't leave any fogs on once the dipped beam are turned off though as you have to push the switch in to turn off the foglights before you can turn the dipped beam off.
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>>>> The rear fogs warning lilght is always on the dash asthey are compulsory in Europe. Not front fogs.<<
Not wanting to get embroilled in the fog light debate, I must touch on what HenryK has already said. The fog lights on my Focus are part of the light swtich which is nestled down by the ignition. Warning lights illuminate, but only on this switch.
My Fiesta (a lot older) was a different story and had massive buttons for the fog lights which lit up when they were on. I'm sure some people would still "forget" that they were on though!
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