Someone on here must know what this is
tinyurl.com/86wzj
Phil I
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Looks like something Citroen would have made.
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Right hand drive though - could well be british.
Looks rear-engined to me. Elements of Spitfire in there too.
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Datsun 240Z rear lights? Correct me if I am wrong...
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The square rear-plate suggests "Japanese" as well - but the panel gaps suggest "home made"
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It looks Skoda(ish) at the back end.
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I saw it in the paper on Sat, it rung a bell with me I reckon it is Czech or Russian though not sure of the manufacturer, perhaps a Tatra, IIRC they have air cooled V8's.
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Yeah - drove me mad as I knoew I'd sen it before, but don't know where. Its a rear hotch potch of different cars isn't it!
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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Front end says mid 70s era Lotus to me.
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I thought it was a hotch-potch. The lower rear looks like a TR6 and the side windows look like they are from a Capri. The upper rear panels look as though they might be from a Skoda Estelle.
No idea where the front came from, buy it's ugly.
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Front end looks like a Matra Djet, IIRC. Must dig out my old Observers book. The headlamps are too close together to be legal after a certain age so that may help to date it.
What did the tax disc say? Presumably Sir John knows that.
I think the rear end has been butchered later, spoiler, vinyl, to give a more modern appearance.
Maybe a Frank Costin project- he was very keen on aerodynamic vehicles.
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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And it appears to be rear engined from the air intakes and vents.
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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Anyone tried putting the reg. into the DVLA query page?
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Yup, the Tatras are rear engined.
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Yes I thought the side windows looked like a Capri. I would guess its a home made one-off. I saw some old copies of Hot Car magazine from the early '70's, and they featured lots of similar abominations in a section called "Readers Specials" or something like that. I ought to dig out some photos, some of them were hilarous!
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Look like Ford wheels to me so I'll go with a 'custom' Capri.
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Its a mongrel.
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Front end looks like an old Lotus Elan and the back looks like a 70's Marcos.
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www.rootes-chrysler.co.uk/car-history/history-matr...l
Matra 530 has an almost identical front end.I wonder if the vinyl roof covers a botched rear end repair/customisation?
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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probably a custom job from the late seventies with bits of everything nailed on.Happy days :)personally i think the owner did the right thing to dump it in the woods because as from next year and the end of life directive hows he going to get rid of it??
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But not a Ford back axle-nut on the end-last ford to use that was E93A.
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It looks rear engined but it's not a Tatra, even a prototype.
It does look like a Datsun 240 or 260 from the rear, even to the doors.
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I've seen it before too. I have a sneaky feeling it must have appeared in classic cars mag at some point. Possibly in a what on earth is this section though :-)
teabelly
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The overall shape reminds me of a Bond or the hardtop Triumph Spitfire - GT6 wasn't it?
But it's not those clearly. So what rear engined car could have been transformed in such a way?
Skoda Estelle and predecessors?
VW Beetle?
Renault 8?
Simca 1000?
Hillman Imp?
the top bit, espeically the windows look everthing of a Mk1 Capri, but the size of the top bit in relation to the rest means that this is a small car. The front looks like it's supposed to be a first time round Lotus Elan. The bootlid certainly looks like it's off a Skoda Estelle, so maybe it's a Skoda after all. The whole thing looks very seventies.
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Front bumper and grin very Dyna Panhard looking. Obviously rear-engined but bootlid isn't Skoda. That doesn't mean it isn't a Skoda underneath though. The steel wheels could easily be Czech, they don't look British. If the thing, obviously a one-off special judging by slightly naff chrome detailing on the side, is Skoda based, then the whole front, dashboard, steering wheel etc have been lowered. Most unlikely to be Tatra based though judging by lightweight wheels and running gear as well as RHD, but you never know. Other possibilities for basic chassis could be French (Renault or Simca) or Italian (Fiat/Lancia) all of which made rear-engined cars in the 60s and 70s. Perfectly possible though that it is indeed a mongrel constructed from the ground up out of assorted bits. Wonder how it goes (or went)?
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Here's an obscure car quiz question for you: which 1980s car copied (and this was readily admitted by the designer) the rear window design of the Panhard 24CT?
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Here's an obscure car quiz question for you: which 1980s car copied (and this was readily admitted by the designer) the rear window design of the Panhard 24CT?
Jaguar XJS V12.
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No, good try! : ) (How patronising was that?!)
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Can I ask a mystery car question?
My folks had an Italian sports car in the mid 70s. I think it was a Lancia and was a 2+2 with a "fast back". The thing I remember about it was a switch on the dash which opened the hatch back a few inches (what was the point of that?)
It came from a rather flash uncle who liked his cars so may have been imported but it was definitely RHD
Any clues?
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No it was rounder and much more a sports car than that - I seem to recall it had quite oval headlights.
It also had a rather groovy paint job with a broad cream racing stripe from back to front contrasting rather nicely with the chocolate body work. Plus it had an 8 track stereo.
Describing it now it sounds like a parody of a 70s car but to my 10 year old eyes it was a vision of loveliness (and it might well be now)
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Think it must have been a Fulvia with body by Zagato - looks not to everyone's taste but as I recall it did have the trick hatchback.
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Here's an obscure car quiz question for you: which 1980s car copied (and this was readily admitted by the designer) the rear window design of the Panhard 24CT?
Austin Montego?
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: ) I like this. No, but very imaginative! A bit more exotic than a Montego, but not anything too exotic...
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This is doing my head in!
I've spent far too much time on this but assuming it's a car that was first sold in the 80's, we can eliminate things like the Renault 9, 25 and Feugo with their wraparound screens. Add Peugeot 309 to that list. It seems to be the same pitch as a Sierra, but i'm sure that's not it.
Definitely not a car with big C pillers, so not Cavalier, Astra, Peugeot 205 or Golf. Nova and Polo too upright, Renault 5 had very flat glass in the rear hatch.
Having found a photo of the Panhard (a model one at that!), all i can think of is that the rear glass looks German somehow, so i'll guess Audi 80 or BMW 3 series (1982 onwards). Audi 80. There. Done.
Was i right?
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Slim rear pillars, screen does not look very unusual.
BMW CSL springs to mind.
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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Here's a pic of the car in question:
i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/59/58/5a_1_b.JPG
The roof bodywork being separated from the rest of the body by dark pillars is reminiscent of the mk2 Rover 200 or the 88-93 Corolla 5-door.
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Getting warmer!!!! Keep trying....
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Is the 80s car a Subaru XT? I know someone has said the SVX but the XT has the wraparound rear...
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Slim rear pillars, screen does not look very unusual. BMW CSL springs to mind. -- I wasna fu but just had plenty.
I agree GWS, having got it wrong first time after mixing up (and perhaps misremembering) my late Panhard memories.
Would it be offensive to ask for a translation of your handle?
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GWS translation has been revealed before.
Basically a term of abuse my old Scottish granny used in the 1950's. Silly Little Nauseating person roughly.
Not that the description applies entirely nowadays. I'm a bit larger anyway.
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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A complete mystery this time!
Although side windows look Ford Capri-ish, comparison with real thing shows they are not - flat glass instead of gently curved on Capri.
Upper part of rear wing-line and wheel arch looks identical to Triumph Stag.
Could the Chrome bits be off 1960's luxury coach?
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I think you'll find that this is the new Nissan Primera.
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IanS
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Right country. Oooh clue....
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Must have been a Lexus Roarer
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Sounds more fun than a Soarer, but no. Not Prelude either!
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Honda Prelude?
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Right, off home now. If anyone can find out by tomorrow then I'll send them a pint.
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After the Japanese (or is it Geordieland) clue Subaru SVX is the closest I can recall. But still think the BMW CSL is the closest. Interesting.
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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it's not a Subaru SVX as that was a '90s effort that had "windows within windows".
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Was it a film prop for UFO ?
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Right, another go.
Japanese eh? Curveball this one. Mazda MX5, but the hardtop.
I think that the Panhard looks great BTW
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Looks like something Bristol would have made in collaboration with Citroen and Lawrence Llewelyn-Bowen.
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Something designed by Lemon Jefferson.
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"Something designed by Lemon Jefferson"
With backing by Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles??
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Phil
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Again I say it is Czech or Russian, perhaps a Tatra, rear mounted air cooled V8.
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Well I am back on now, no-one's got it yet... can't stay on all day but I will check sporadically!
Clue for anyone who remembers their old car ads is: sand.
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Side reflectors suggest Jap or Yank.Rear hubs with nuts could be Renault R8/10/11.
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Shall I tell you the Panhard 24CT window copy then?
Shall I?
Shall I?
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Yes, fer chrissakes!
It's better be good though.
Last ditch guess - Toyota Celica
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E34 kid... you da man.
1986 Toyota Celica.
Respect...
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Really?
I can't see it on the hatch:
www.alltombilen.com/imagescars/test(5).jpg
But I suppose the sedan is similar:
www.mylocal.com/us/up/45764Classifieds164.jpg
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Shall I tell you the Panhard 24CT window copy then?
I can only think of hatchbacks. Porsche 924? Pug 309? Renault 25?
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>> Shall I tell you the Panhard 24CT window copy then? >> I can only think of hatchbacks. Porsche 924? Pug 309? Renault 25?
OOps, too late!
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I'd have to say a 1986 Toyota Celica.
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Yeah! Knew it all along but StevieD seemed to be having so much fun ..........
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Ho ho! I was though... I like random obscure facts.
i18.ebayimg.com/ 03/i/05/1b/10/fc_2.JPG
This should link to a rear 3/4 shot of a Celica, but probably won't as I have NO idea how to insert such things on here.
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Are we saying that its an '86 Celica,because its not,or are we saying its based on an '86 Celica because i dont think so.
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Sorry Mr Lucas: two different questions have been going on in this discussion. Apologies for leading everyone off the trail.
First question was what on earth is that odd picture at the beginning of this thread: no-one actually knew and it appears to be a hybrid/kit-car.
My question, after someone mentioned Panhards, was "what 80s car has a rear window design based on the Panhard 24CT?" Answer to THAT is Toyota Celica.
Hope that explains.
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Definintely not based on an '86 Celica, I'm sure of that.
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See above!
I am going to get my coat.....
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I am going to get my coat.....
Flak jacket perhaps!
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In answer to the first question, it's obviously an early prototype for the 89-94 Mazda 323F hatch.
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I've compared the pictures of a Solido Panhard C24T with those of the Toyota Celicia. Not identical to me.Pangard has lots of chrome and Toyota has black bits and extractor vent.
So what is the characteristic that makes it design piracy?
Lots of cars surely had thin/disguised C pillars.
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Hiya. I take my answer from a 1986 edition of "Car" mag, where they tested the then-new Celica. They reported that the designer of said car cited the Panhard as inspiration for rear window design. I think, IMHO, that if you look at a side profile of both cars together, the resemblance IS striking.
It isn't just the thin pillars, it's the shape and sweep of the glasshouse as well.
IMHO. : )
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Re: the mystery car. I had no ideas in my post above but a tiny bell is ringing now!
In the early 1970's Hot Car magazine ran a competition for people to design a kit-car based on Ford Anglia components. The prizewinning design was actually built, and I'm just wondering if this was it. A shot in the dark but it's about the right era.
Cheers, SS
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but he said it originally had a VW engine.
JH
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Well, I didn't guess it:
tinyurl.com/dyclo
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You could tell it was a one-off just by looking at it. What surprises me is that it's made of steel. Must weigh a bit. Also said by Sir John Whitmore to be rust free. From the pic construction is very solid with welded tubes, square I think but could be wrong there. An ugly brute but someone's baby now. I hope they get the space-age dash going.
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..."Roman, his youngest son, had been responsible for the original sketches while in his early teens..."
That explains the styling then!
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