A summing up of an old argument!

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Tue 27 Dec 2005 09:36
A summing up of an old argument! - Tomo
I just found this on another site.

FWD IS JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE
4WD IS JUST CHEATING (But good in snow)
RWD IS JUST SO MUCH FUN (But not in snow)
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 09:40
A summing up of an old argument! - storme
agreed :) :)
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 10:03
A summing up of an old argument! - Pugugly {P}
What can I say ?
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 10:08
A summing up of an old argument! - Altea Ego
Utter pish

RWD is for people who want to look as if they can drive dramtically, but cant really.

If you get a FWD drive car to appear just as dramatic ( in snow or elsewhere) then Thats Drivin!

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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 10:17
A summing up of an old argument! - Pugugly {P}
"then That's Drivin'!"

For the nanosecond before the whole plot exits through the nearest wall.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 10:19
A summing up of an old argument! - Altea Ego
For you ham fisted rwd Drivers, yes that true.
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TourVanMan TM < Ex RF >
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:12
A summing up of an old argument! - mss1tw
Couldn't give two, erm, figs what wheels are driven, you can still have fun in anything if you know what you're doing...and you're not paying for any repairs. ;o)
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:13
A summing up of an old argument! - bell boy
best thing ever invented for the vast majority of todays drivers was common fwd yes sure if we still had only rwd then they would all have to learn to handle it(many didn"t look in any cemetery) but i remember having some very near frightening experiances with rwd which i did recover from but they would never have happened with fwd.
Oh and the roads were quieter in those days.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:26
A summing up of an old argument! - sierraman
Have you been taken over by the spirit of kevls?;)
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:27
A summing up of an old argument! - sierraman
Oh,and front wheels for steering,rear for driving.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:37
A summing up of an old argument! - malcolmg
This thread brings back memories for me, Mid 70s West Mids traffic, Morris Marina 1.8tc. Early 80s West Mercia, BMW 528i. Both rear wheel drive, but were they different cars. Marina frightening, unless stationary. BMW boring when stationary. The 70s I think was the start of the death of mass British car manufacture, just as the motorcycles were in the 60s. Another memory. About 1975 we had a Triumph m/c on test. Blew bulbs every shift and vibrated awfully. Sent it back, when it returned, thicker rubbers on handlebars. Still rubbish. Then had a fleet of Norton interpol, front disc brake, great until it rained, then put front brake on, nothing until water was off the disc, then nearly over the handlebars. Then BMW boxer twin, lovely bike, except very poor turning circle. oh those were the days.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 11:43
A summing up of an old argument! - Pugugly {P}
Yes the Marina was a bad RWD, I remember nearly crashing my mother's 1.8 soon after I passed my test - could have put a man off RWD for ever ! Early big engined 3s could be dodgy in the wrong hands......current BMWs are not as brutal.

Mind you its the Landie today !
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 21:49
A summing up of an old argument! - Bill Payer
This thread brings back memories for me, Mid 70s West Mids
traffic, Morris Marina 1.8tc. Early 80s West Mercia, BMW 528i. Both
rear wheel drive, but were they different cars. Marina frightening, unless
stationary.

I vividly remember Liverpool Police bought a whole load of Marina 1.8TC's and then got shut of them after 6 mths as they were considered dangerous.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 17:23
A summing up of an old argument! - JH
Tomo,
Hmm, before I leap in and agree, the rear wheel drive cars I had all had tyres and suspension which were primitive by today's standards (and it's not THAT long ago) so you could have fun at low speeds and if it went wrong you weren't going to kill yourself. The lesser powered Capris were particularly incompetent and you could drift them nicely. I switched from a Capri to an XR3i, vastly more power, much more rubber but could I get round those roundabouts on the way into work any faster(middle of the night, called out)? No way. Understeer. It strikes me that with today's tyres and suspension, you'd have to be going pretty fast to achieve the same effect in a modern rwd car.

James Hunt and his A35 spring to mind.

I think I'll abstain.
John
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 18:41
A summing up of an old argument! - keo-the-dog
I just found this on another site.
FWD IS JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE
4WD IS JUST CHEATING (But good in snow)
RWD IS JUST SO MUCH FUN (But not in snow)

Utter Pish
all good in the right hands
FWD good fun all round (great for J turns)
4WD cheating? yes maybe but good fun if you know how to drive them.
RWD great fun in snow and great fun in all other weather, so long as you got enough power to actually make it interesting
...cheers...keo.
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Tue 27 Dec 2005 22:18
A summing up of an old argument! - Sofa Spud
Presumably FWD has become almost universal in the small/medium car sector because it gives better handling and it allows better utilisation of space.

A good driver should be able to handle any sort of car on a public highway without drama.

I expect it was once said that electric self-starters, independent suspension and synchromesh gears were for people who can't drive!

Cheers, Sofa Spud
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Wed 28 Dec 2005 07:24
A summing up of an old argument! - cumfray1
Good thing being on nightshift when its been snowing. Finish shift, start up my RWD Omega, snow on the ground, very large EMPTY car park. I've never stayed behind at work for so long in a long time :-)

P.S. Omegas do lovely donuts
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Wed 28 Dec 2005 10:17
A summing up of an old argument! - peterb
I seem to remember Jeremy Clarkson summarising it something like this.

FWD. Problem: lose front end in slippery corner. Remedy: try to slow down in order to overcome understeer and pray. Result: drive forwards into tree.

RWD. Problem: lose back end in slippery corner. Remedy: apply opposite lock and pray. Result: drive backwards into tree.

Hence RWD is better as you don't see the tree before you hit it....
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Wed 28 Dec 2005 10:55
A summing up of an old argument! - doug_r1
I don't know why everyone has a downer on the old Marina, we had two, both 1.8, and apart from the front wing dipping alarmingly on corners they were no problem, once dipped the car went round corners fine. I passed my test in a 1.8 Marina estate with no drama. I also got my first speeding ticket from a clown in a citrus yellow Marina TC, any police officer that overtakes on the brow of a hill, and then on a zebra crossing, to catch a learner going a bit over the limit is a clown in my book.
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Wed 28 Dec 2005 18:24
A summing up of an old argument! - Pugugly {P}
Top Gear last night ?

BMW 133 v. VW V6.

VW had to make it a 4wd to get anywhere near the same control.
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Thu 29 Dec 2005 22:59
A summing up of an old argument! - kithmo
FWD better for a getaway car, it's more difficult to perform the PIT manouvre on a FWD car (I guess it only applies to the USA though).
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Fri 30 Dec 2005 12:44
A summing up of an old argument! - IanJohnson
Drove from Lichfield to Swindon in snow March before last(Moreton - Stow - Burford). Saw six cars in ditches - every one a BMW.

Does this mean that RWD is useless in snow - no (no transits/Omegas/Jags/Mercs/HGVs in the ditches)

Does it mean that the average BMW driver is more likely to lose control of his car in snow - IMHO Yes.

I had no problems in my "days old" FWD Accord, and I was not hanging around.
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Fri 30 Dec 2005 13:49
A summing up of an old argument! - madf
Are BMWs any good in snow?
Silly question.

This forum has the answer....

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=37...7


Yippee, snow - Pugugly {P} Fri 30 Dec 05 13:27

RWD drive stays safely at home ! Land Rover has no difficulty in .5cm of snow.

madf
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Fri 30 Dec 2005 13:51
A summing up of an old argument! - Pugugly {P}
Ah - but if I had a FWD that would stay at home as well to protect my no claims from the ice skating public.
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