The first person they will stop will probably be an 80 old shouting rubbish at Jack Straw. This country is rapidly turning into a police state where no one has any privacy whatsoever. With council tax inspectors being allowed into your home there is nowhere anyone, law abiding or otherwise has any privacy. This is totally wrong.
Sadly the majority of the population are too thick to realise what is going on around them and believe the clap trap that it won't affect them anyway.
As most of the terrorists have been using public transport how is this actuallly going to help if people on foot can just blow things up?
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This is worrying. Very worrying.
Yes we can all come out with the argument "But if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?"
The problem is simply this. Lets say I'm a really nasty person who goes round having people murdered. I have a gangster empire spanning the entire country. Am I going to register and tax my cars legitimately?
No.
Lets say I'm a law abiding person (or rather for the majority) and I have 9 points. My licence is vital to me but this kind of monitoring is a step too far. Am I likely to ensure I register my new car as quick as possible?
No.
Could the wrong people be arrested?
Yes.
I hope to God it works on a different system that the Met Police were working on a few months ago. Needless to say, what good is holding information for 2 years on when a terrorist has blown up somewhere?
I bet you any money that this time next year they'll either have implemented (unlikely) or be actively seeking to implement some sort of nationwide average speed system.
Let's be honest, for this system to work, we need everyone using legitimate plates. What a load of rubbish.
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I encountered the latest hi-tech system last night,stopped at a police check,after a check of the tax disc I was asked the searching question'are you a legit driver?'On answering'yes'I was allowed to procede-foolproof.
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It will not work..
"Figures he released to MPs, based on 32 million readings, showed that more than 20 per cent of identifications on the Police National Computer were wrong and the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency's database proved to be only 40 per cent accurate"
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005...l
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It's at about 98% accuracy now according to the manufacturer.
The most worrying thing is that the sensors are already in place disguised as smart signs, various types of enforcement cameras and CCTV, these are now networked into a single system controlled by software which will become continuously more sophisticated. A 'Matrix' if you will.
In a few years time, fuel could be priced out of reach of most of us, food in short supply and expensive, wholescale electoral fraud as seen in Birmingham and Peterborough rolled out nationally, and there won't be anything anyone can do about it, so much as grumble and the intollerant perpetrator be arrested for a 'hate crime', ANPR already checks the status of 32 attributes.
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"In a few years time, fuel could be priced out of reach of most of us, food in short supply and expensive, wholescale electoral fraud as seen in Birmingham and Peterborough rolled out nationally, and there won't be anything anyone can do about it, so much as grumble and the intollerant perpetrator be arrested for a 'hate crime', ANPR already checks the status of 32 attributes."
Better get on the phone to your elected representatives, then, to get something done about it!
What's that you say? They are all in favour of mass surveillance? Oh, dear.
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Funny old world ain't it.
Question "Why should I have my movements monitored even though I am an innocent and law abiding person?"
Question "What are you police doing about my crime then?"
These questions are often asked by the same person. People want something done when they have been wronged in some way, but then recoil at perceived intrusion.
I know that I have been monitored in some way, whether by CCTV, ANPR, cross data matching of databases by commercial organisations. Has it affected me in any way? Not as far as I know. I lead a blameless life and reap the rewards of it.
It is really all about checks and balances. There is a way to mitigate the risk of unnecessary & collateral intrusion into your life by magnifying the benefits to society as a whole.
The criminal knows no moral or ethical boundaries and has made excellent use of the new electronic age. They don't even need to meet each other to conspire to commit offences with the internet, chat rooms and anonymous mobile communications freely available to them. Criminals obtain mobile phones on pay as you go basis and swap them around with each other to try to remain anonymous, use internet cafes with hotmail email accounts use "pool cars".
One thing the criminal needs to do, despite the electronic age, is to move around, move goods around, move cash around, spend it, live a bit or a lot. That is exactly where the surveillance comes in. Despite all their moves and shakes, that is where they make their mistakes, that is where there is a chance for them to make that error that puts them away.
To prevent the determined and professional criminal staying 3 steps ahead of the law (which is what he/she effectively is at present) the government & forces of law and order may need to push at the envelope of what was considered indecently intrusive. Dixon of Dock Green is merely a memory (and a misty eyed fantasy)If you want that, then we ain't going to get anywhere at all. It has its place in the community, but there has to be a modern tool or basket of tools to counter the menace of the modern criminal, to keep up with him. The upright bicycle with fat sweaty cop mopping his brow just won't cut the mustard.
There are choices to be made, and in all fairness, the people have the right to vote out any government which introduces schemes thought to be too intrusive. I wouldn't seek to deny anyone that choice, but you really....... and I mean really! need to be fully aware of just how much further ahead the criminal is, in using the stuff that you may not want the law to access.
More and more people are affected by crime, and not just by being mugged or burgled or having their car stolen or broken into. You can sit at home all day and everyday and still be affected by crime by having your id stolen and your account raided. Why should the criminal have all the modern tools? Why didn't we fight the second world war with 1st world war tanks?
Why do we bother to upgrade our defences in the armed forces? To try to keep up with or stay ahead of the enemy!
Our choice isn't it?
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Sigh, someones been sucking the cathode ray teet.
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I've given this a liitle thought. The manufacturer would say that the system is 98% efficient, wouldn't he. Whilst it depends on humans it will always tend to go wrong sometime. Example 1. The London road pricing scheme was reported regularly to be issuing wrong claims, do any of our Big Smoke BRs keep up to date with that.
Example 2. CCTV and crime. One news report had it that someone observed the CCTVs in the middle of one of our big cities all following a pretty girl walking down the street. Then there was the lady who successfully sued the local authority for having a CCTV aimed at her bedroom window. What crime were they committing?
If my number plate was cloned and the clone used in commission of a crime, would I be able to prove that it wasn't me ?
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I've given this a liitle thought. The manufacturer would say that the system is 98% efficient, wouldn't he. Whilst it depends on humans it will always tend to go wrong sometime. Example 1. The London road pricing scheme was reported regularly to be issuing wrong claims, do any of our Big Smoke BRs keep up to date with that. Example 2. CCTV and crime. One news report had it that someone observed the CCTVs in the middle of one of our big cities all following a pretty girl walking down the street. Then there was the lady who successfully sued the local authority for having a CCTV aimed at her bedroom window. What crime were they committing? If my number plate was cloned and the clone used in commission of a crime, would I be able to prove that it wasn't me ?
Hasn't it occurred to anybody how odd it is, that these important issues are being debated in the Backroom, but not, as far as I know, in Parliament?
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"There are choices to be made, and in all fairness, the people have the right to vote out any government which introduces schemes thought to be too intrusive."
If only this were true. It certainly isn't while we have this ridiculous electoral system. Let us not forget that we often have Governments in power that the majority didn't vote for.
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One point if I was a criminal I would be keeping to the back roads away from any CCTV - I know locally in Devon they had a scheam which monitored all motors entering and leaving the town of Torquay.
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I have read that the network installed by Traffic Master (camera type devices on blue poles) have had ANPR capabilities for some years, these have been in place on motorways since the late 90's and on most A roads for the last 4 or five years. Apparently upon installation they were legally able to record the last three letters of any number plate and various authorities have used them to trial number plate recognition systems.
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"There are choices to be made, and in all fairness, the people have the right to vote out any government which introduces schemes thought to be too intrusive." If only this were true. It certainly isn't while we have this ridiculous electoral system. Let us not forget that we often have Governments in power that the majority didn't vote for.
It's not just the electoral system, is it. You need politicians whose views differ, for a start! Name one politician from any party who's spoken out against this.
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>>Name one politician from any party who's spoken out against this.>>
Who'd be the one who brings down the golden goose of a moderately easy job, excellent pay, expenses that can comfortably be double or more that of the salary and a pension beyond the dreams of the vast majority of the electorate?
As already pointed out, this country becomes more totalitarian every month and few seem to care the slightest jot.
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By the way.
The word "Politics" describes the process well.
"Poli" (from Latin) means Many and "tics" represents blood-sucking pests.
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