Game for Friday - guess the cost - PoloGirl
Seeing as it's Friday and Ant and Dec's gameshow marathon finished last weekend... would anyone like to play this game?

For a 1996 1.4 polo, I need an estimate of how much this would cost, parts and labour at an independent garage, not VW:

New shock absorbers
Front wheel bearings (definitely one, possibly two)
Remove/replace small rust patches in one wheel arch, a bit on door sills and two tiny spots on the roof. (This has all appeared in the last six months!)
Four new tyres (continentals, I reckon around £220 at Micheldever?)
Refurbish one badly damaged alloy wheel
Remove dent on passenger door caused by a fence post encounter. The paint is damaged around the dent too.
Realign drivers door so that it locks/unlocks properly every time.
New battery
Replace the bulb behind the speedo so you can see how fast you're going in the dark.

That is everything Polo needs doing to him to make him a happy car. He will turn 100,000 before November is out. I may have fallen in love with a Civic at a bargainous price, and am trying to decide whether to:

1. Bite the bullet and part ex polo as he is.
2. Put Polo right and part ex/sell him (but will I be able to recoup the amount spend on putting him right?),
3. Put Polo right and keep him for another year or so, hoping that after all that money has been spent, he will be ok for the winter and beyond.

Name your price and pick your option!

Game for Friday - guess the cost - mss1tw
4 (?) Sell Polo on eBay and go for the Honda. I don't think you're going to recoup anywhere near the cost of all this work when you come to sell, definately not part ex.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Deryck Tintagel
Mmmm .. paintwork and dents probably £150 done cheaply (?). The alloy could be £70 by the like of Chipsaway. Realistically the car is probably not worth a great deal at 100k miles. The work will almost certainly cost more than the increase in value - what does Parkers Guide say for average and poor condition?

When I last changed I looked at the cost of new sills and exhaust (both needed doing), the cost of a needed service and renewal of basic breadown cover. Total of about £250. I wouldn't get that on the p/x and the car I bought was £1000 less than elsewhere. Nothing to think about really.

If the Civic really is such good value and it is what you want then p/x - it's a lot less hassle than selling privately. If the Civic is a fairly recent model then they are not bad to drive once used to the gear lever sprouting from the dash! The trim is a bit basic for a Japanese car but not bad.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - cheddar
1. Bite the bullet and part ex polo as he is.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Blue {P}
The paintwork is probably going to be the nasty side of £200 I would think, and I haven't got a clue about the rest. Personally at 1996 though, unless you really are going to keep him for a while longer and particularly want him looking nice, I wouldn't bother spending on anything cosmetic.

Seeing as most salesmen will just give Polo a cursary glance before valuing him I wouldn't waste money on tyres or shocks either.

Therfore I choose the part-ex straightaway without doing any work to him option.

Blue
Game for Friday - guess the cost - AN Other
Between £800 and £1000. Perhaps a touch less, depending on where parts are sourced, and how much they want to charge you.

I would wash and polish the car to make it look as good as I could for no money, and then part-ex or private sale it if you still fancy a new one. Otherwise, you might find when it's all shiny and lovely looking, you want to keep it. In which case, just do the essential jobs and keep driving it.

There aren't really any circumstances where spending £800 on this car make any financial sense, but then if you're that attached to it...
Game for Friday - guess the cost - $till $kint
AN Other hits the nail on the head. Get the car clean and head straight for the Honda dealership this weekend. The car is, despite your love for it, an unmitigated disaster and a bit of a nail to boot. Take whatever they offer in p/ex with good grace as your Polo will be straight through the nearest auction before the oil has had a chance to cool.
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Game for Friday - guess the cost - Altea Ego
The rust spots indicate this is probably the start of constant work, and given the body damage repaired (which is never as good as original) I think you will be at this car with a spray gun in various parts evry 6 months or so if you want to keep it looking pristine...

Time for polo to be retired, get rid of him while he still has some value.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - helicopter
I agree with the others PG - P/ex asap after tarting him up - frankly Polo is not worth a lot and you certainly cannot justify spending loadsamoney.

Go out and your Civic this weekend PG -

Rustles sweetie papers - Would you like a virtual Werthers?
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Mapmaker
>Remove dent on passenger door caused by a fence post encounter. The paint is damaged around the dent too.

£500. New door skin required; respray etc.

Chop him in! Or stuff him on eBay.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Hugo {P}
I agree with everyone.

It doesn't matter what you buy, provided it's good value and fits the bill wrt reliability and functionality. Just get rid of that Polo!

H
Game for Friday - guess the cost - PoloGirl
Ok Ok...I know you're right about not spending all that money and just part ex-ing him, but it hurts!

Here's the civic I've seen, if it works: tinyurl.com/bwyo5

(I know I need to check that they're going to put a proper number plate on it, not just leave it without one).

I have to say, I've just been to the Honda dealership in Basingstoke and the bloke went out of his way to tell me about the car, and even took me for a test drive, despite me telling him I'd already seen one I liked in Derby. He couldn't get close to that price for a similar car, and seemed to imply it was too good to be true, but he was really helpful. You don't get that service at VW!



Game for Friday - guess the cost - quizman
Don't spend any money on the Polo.

The Honda looks nice, I was always told that they were for old people.

Get one in Derby, all the best people come from here.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - PhilW
NW,
"it hurts"
You sound just like my daughter! She loved her first car (Renault5) and her second (old style Clio diesel), had pet names for them (Clive 5, Leo Clio!!), shed tears when she sold them, wanted them to go to good homes etc, but lets be honest, the Polo is probably a bit of a shed, will cost you a fortune in repairs and is, after all, a lump of metal which has served its purpose and does it compare to that Civic??
Get the Civic - and in a week you will love it as much as you did the Polo - with all its added advantages with regard to safety, performance, comfort and, dare I say it, style!
Do it
Phil
Game for Friday - guess the cost - PhilW
Sorry forgot to chose the option - trade in now!!
Phil
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Avant
I'd love to tell you what you want to hear, but I have to agree with the others - Polo must go before you fall out of love with him, and fall out you will if other things go wrong.

I'm no expert but the estimate of up to £1,000 doesn't sound far out - and as Polo is a 9-year-old centenarian (!) the difference in what you'd get for him restored compared with unrestored isn't going to be that much.

Maybe have a professional valet done and make him look as good as you can, and compare PX with prices of similar Polos in Autotrader.

I agree - the black 3-door Honda looks nice and could be a logical successor to Polo, although the price is so low it could be snapped up any moment. Didn't you have a thread some time ago when you were thinking about a Fabia VRS? There might be some of those about nearer home.

Good luck!
Game for Friday - guess the cost - PoloGirl
I'm going to keep Polo for another few months. You will all think I'm wrong/mad/stupid but let me explain. (I'm about to wax lyrical about my car, so scroll on by if you dont want to read it :) )

Many of you have referred to Polo as 'a shed'. This is just not the case. Show me a nine year old Citroen Saxo or a Ford Fiesta with 100k on it that would start first time in freezing weather, run smoothly, have had nothing mechanical go seriously wrong on it and all the electrics and everything still work (I was wrong about the bulb on the dash it seems, it is working after all!)

The dent and the rust are just cosmetic for now. I'm going to put four new tyres on it this week as we noticed today that they were in more urgent need of replacement, and I'll pop him into VW Rescue in Wolverhampton next time I'm up there and they can give him the once over. Now we have a driveway to look after him on he can get regularly waxed so hopefully that will slow down the rust a bit.

My job isn't secure and I wont know which way it's going to go until at least January. I'm also still carrying a bit of debt built up during university. While there is nothing seriously mechanically wrong with Polo, I feel I'm better off paying off those debts and saving than blowing it on a newer car simply because of a panic over him turning 100,000. A bit of money spent on tyres and other minor work between now and February is different to getting committed to a loan for a newer car and realising in February that things aren't going to plan and I can't afford it.

Finally - water appeared in the footwell today. We spent a very happy morning with the Haynes manual taking the pollen filter out and clearing eight years of leaf compost out of the drainage hole to make everything run smoothly. Had that been a newer car, I wouldn't have dared take it apart, and would have had to pay extortionate garage charges just to clear some compost. Truth is, I like messing about with cars, and while I can still do the minor things on Polo like changing the brakes and wheel bearings, I enjoy it.

So Polo is saved... for now. :)
Game for Friday - guess the cost - mss1tw
Finally - water appeared in the footwell today. We spent a
very happy morning with the Haynes manual taking the pollen filter
out and clearing eight years of leaf compost out of the
drainage hole to make everything run smoothly. Had that been a
newer car, I wouldn't have dared take it apart, and would
have had to pay extortionate garage charges just to clear some
compost. Truth is, I like messing about with cars, and while
I can still do the minor things on Polo like changing
the brakes and wheel bearings, I enjoy it.


That's the great thing about older cars.

Maybe as long as you're realistic about what you may have to spend you should keep him till he literally falls apart? It seems you're very satisfied with him despite the faults, so once these are fixed you'll be twice as happy I imagine!
Game for Friday - guess the cost - mss1tw
Whoops, pressed the Post button too soon. >:-(

I was going to add some 'head vs heart' stuff, but what the hell, I've got vary sentimental towards various bikes and cars I've owned, so I'm not going to talk you out of it for purely fiscal reasons.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - adverse camber
Given what you say, that sounds a sensible choice to me. You wont get much as p/ex and holdingoff a couple year wont make a difference, and the cost of buying another car....

I would check ebay for a replacement alloy - you should be able to get one cheaper than the refurn cost for something that age.

Try local specialists or mobile mechanics for the shocks and wheel bearings, shouldnt be too expensive.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - barchettaman
There's a lot of sense in your last post Pologirl. I reckon it'd be worth keeping it going for another year, paying off as much of your debt as possible, before 'investing' in a depreciating asset (nice as the Civic looked).

I am anticipating a nasty bill today when I pick up the Barchie - new shocks,discs, pads, dent removal, window realignment and a bit of the exhaust too. Managed to source most of the parts on eBay which saved a wee bit, and the local garage seemed happy to fit them, but I fear the bill will still be pretty punchy. Still, it'll be worth it (I hope) to restore the B back to its former glory...
Game for Friday - guess the cost - $till $kint
::hangs head in despair::

It is a shed.........

But I can understand why you would want to wring a few more months out of it. Just be sensible with what you spend. Tyres? Having been in the infamous polo I know your driving style and you won't be needing some brand-name tyres. A budget brand will be perfectly acceptable and a massive improvement on your worn tyres.

ebay or a breakers yard for your alloy. Try silverlake (near Southampton) and Trents (Poole). Both will courier the part if you don't fancy the drive. And you may want to source the wheel before you change the tyres :o)

Ignore the rust. Seriously, just ignore it.

The door lock/alignment is simplicity itself. First, work out where your problem lies. Stand back from the car and have a willing accomplice slowly close the door. You are looking to see if the door lifts or drops once engaged on the lock pin on the b-pillar. Once you've worked out what's happening, open the door and look at the pin the door lock engages with. There should be two or possibly three allen bolts or torque key bolts that hold the pin plate in place. Get some tippex and mark the current position of the plate on the pillar (4 short lines, one across each edge onto the pillar paintwork. Now loosen the bolts a fraction and move the plate a couple of mm in the direction it needs to go to stop the door lifting or dropping when shut. Repeat until your lock engages properly.

And keep paying off that debt!

Regards as ever,

Backroom Dad. ;o)
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Game for Friday - guess the cost - AN Other
Ah... So we're into Bangernomics now. This does make some financial sense, i would say, and probably just as much as buying a much newer Honda. $$ is exactly right in approach, although I think I'd avoid budget tyres - never found them to grip particularly well or make a car any nicer to drive - and a good coat of wax on top and underneath - different kinds, obviously - will help to slow the rust down for very little money.

You've actually chosen the route I'd probably take, but then I hate depreciation, and as you've found, most jobs on cars this age aren't hard if you're prepared to have a go. I also think you've got a lot of sense not hocking yourself up any further, particularly if the job isn't neccessarily set in stone!
Game for Friday - guess the cost - $till $kint
Budget tyres may not grip as well as a nice set of Goodyear Eagle F1s, but they grip better than any branded tyre that's worn to the limit...... PG has a very steady driving style and isn't prone to tyre-squealing launches from the traffic lights so I figure a tyre that's 80% as good as the best is plenty good enough.
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Game for Friday - guess the cost - cheddar
All seems to make sense just avoid budget tyres, you don't have to pay a fortune, for Polo size tyres Firestones (F390 or F490 IIRC) are first class in wet/dry grip, perhaps don't last quite as well as Michelins though are nearly half the price.

By the way what happened re the CAT D Golf?
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Mapmaker
Ah well, if you're going Bangernomic, then do so. I'd go for some second hand tyres - but don't stint on having the wheels balanced. [cue rant from well off types about second hand tyres. They're not that dangerous otherwise people wouldn't be able to get insurance policies to run businesses that sell them. And you wouldn't ever drive a second hand car until you'd changed the tyres.] You can probably get a FULL SET of NEW (second hand) wheels with decent tyres off eBay for a few tenners - to save your wrecked alloy.

If you can change your wheel bearings yourself, then again, off eBay, £5 a corner.

Why not buy a written off Polo off eBay? Hundred quid. solves your tyes; wheels; wheel bearings and the exhaust you're going to have to replace. Then you can break up what's left and put it on eBay... Make money out of Polo!
Game for Friday - guess the cost - Altea Ego
"Why not buy a written off Polo off eBay"

Errr No, that level of bangernomics requires a garage


PG's plan will work if carried out. I suspect however she is too attached to him and will lavish money on him.



Game for Friday - guess the cost - expat
>>I suspect however she is too attached to him and will lavish money on him.

But that still won't come to as much as one year's depreciation on a newer car.

Secondhand tyres - been there, done that, won't do it again. They weren't that much cheaper than budget new ones by the time you had paid for the fitting. They kept failing and having to be replaced. Go for the cheapest decent brand. Not Lucky Dragon but Hankook or Kumho or cheapo Dunlops.

Rust - spray inside the panels with Waxoyl. It won't fix the rust but it will slow it right down without bursting your budget.
Game for Friday - guess the cost - PhilW
Given the points you've added in your latest post (student debt etc) you have probably made the right decision!! When my old Cit BX diesel passed 100k it needed new tyres on the back and since it had done 100k on the original Michelins (honest) I bought budget tyres at about £30 each (Miches were about £60). For my driving style they were perfectly OK and lasted until I sold it at 140k - they were Barum or something.
Phil