Should i sell on eBay? - Imagos
Ok it's probably been discussed many times before but i'm looking for some fresh input.

A company car is looming around the corner so i need to sell my Mondeo. After weighing up the options i'm considering ebay as the only point of an advertisment.

Could you offer me any advice, antidotes, pitfalls, experiences?

What to do, what not to do, all that sort of thing. I have sold items on eBay before successfully but never a car.

Many thanks.
Should i sell on eBay? - franco
I wouldn't do it just because of the commission. An advert in LOOT or a local paper, on the wall in Sainsburys or one of the other supermarkets. A lot of people complain of tyre kickers as well so you might always get people wasting your time.
Should i sell on eBay? - prm
Sold my vectra on there for a fair price, no problems
Should i sell on eBay? - Adam {P}
Is this the V6 Imagos?

How many miles?
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Should i sell on eBay? - Imagos
yes it is.. 67000 miles
Should i sell on eBay? - smokie
Sold a caravan last week on eBay. It was old, a bit tired and hard to price. So I was extraordinarily honest about it's condition as I knew it would be futile to be otherwise - I didn't want the winner turning up then deciding it wasn't for him.

The auction ended on Sunday afternoon. I had lots of people emailing me for a Buy It Now price, which I didn't want to do.

Only 1 couple came to view, on the Saturday. I knew they were very interested and I wanted to sell to them, my thoughts being that they had seen it, warts and all, so would be a firm sale.

Through Sunday the price crept up, the couple didn't bid, and I was thinking that I wish I'd chosen another way to sell it - I could see it all going horribly wrong. The couple dropped in the winning bid with 20 seconds to go... Within 90 mins they'd come round with cash and it was gone. They were happy, so was I.

I think eBay is a good way to sell, as there are clearly buyers out there. But I think if I were doing it again, I would make sure I had a Buy It Now price to avoid the stress of waiting until end of auction, then successful payment and collection.
Should i sell on eBay? - Hugo {P}
I've sold 2 vehicles on E bay.

The first was a Citroen Xantia, that I got fet up with paying good money to advertise and getting time wasters inc. for my troubles. OK I wasn't hugely chuffed about what it went for but I was very realistic about its value.

I described it as accurately as I could making sure I mentioned "As much as I can think of at the moment" or words to that effect. This was in case I missed a scratch or blemish.

The winning bidder came and picked it up that afternoon. In fact he phoned me before I'd even managed to check what it sold for!

The second was my old van with a deceased diff. I was about ready to scrap this for nothing. I had considered breaking it but I wasn't sure I'd get much interest in the parts (1996 Renault Trafic). I decided to give e bay a wirl. I put it in at £255 starting bid with a Buy it Now for £350. I made it clear in the ad that the remaining tax was not included in the final bid price but could be purchased by separate arrangement.

It went for £290. The chap who won it came the following day, left a deposit and picked it up again a couple of days later. He paid the extra for the remaining tax, only what I could have cashed it in for, which I thought was fair.

Both times I went to every effort to give an accurate, middle of the road view of the item. Both times the people I dealt with were pleasent and honest. Both times the deal went without a hitch.

I used to love selling my old vehicles. I found I could often get more than their market worth by a well worded advert. I still told the truth and answered all the questions accurately. I also liked dealing with potential buyers, who were prepared to pay a reasonable price for the right vehicle, and who did their homework before coming out to view.

If they did their homework, the chances are you'd sell them the car if you described it accurately over the phone and in the ad.

Nowadays I find it a pain. Most (but not all) of the people who come my way to view cars advertised in the paper are just day trippers who don't know what they want, apart from a nice pub lunch overlooking the river, and certainly don't want to pay a reasonable price for it. You could answer all their questions and describe a real corker as mediocre, a lot of them wouldn't know a great car when it hit them. You end up having to put the car in at a givaway price just to get the right people out to see it, and even then you risk attracting more dreamers.

That's why I would defintitely consider using e bay again, or trade in.

Should i sell on eBay? - blue_haddock
i recently sold a rover 100 on ebay that i only expected to fetch a hundred quid or so. In the end it went for nearly £400. The fees involved were no more than a couple of nights in the local paper and it was much less hassle.

In the future any old cars i'm looking to sell will be put on ebay.
Should i sell on eBay? - midlifecrisis
I've bought and sold on e-bay. Where else can you put a huge description with numerous colour photos for the price. It has always been painless and the wifes current Fiesta has been faultless.It's still worth more than the price I paid for it nearly a year later!
Should i sell on eBay? - Roly93
I wouldn't do it just because of the commission. An advert
in LOOT or a local paper, on the wall in Sainsburys
or one of the other supermarkets. A lot of people complain
of tyre kickers as well so you might always get people
wasting your time.

Generally the commission even on quite an expensive car is only a couple of quid more than the autotrader, and when you consider how much better you can describe the car with pictures etc I'd say it is worth it. I sold a car for nearly 13K with no problems.
Should i sell on eBay? - Cyd
I see no reason why you should not. As said above, where else can you write an essay about your car and put up a whole album of pics for the money. Ebay is simply an advertising medium - a good one IMO.

I would defo recommend you download Turbo Lister and use this to write your advert. This is a programme that allows you to write and layout your ads OFFLINE before uploading them to ebay when ready. Remember that unless you schedule your ad it will start to run immediately you upload. Run your listing for 10 days and start it 7pm on a Thursday. Include a 'buy it now' price.

Use bullet points to lay out your advert along with reasonable size text - this makes it much easier to read and scan (but don't make the text huge so there's only 3 words per line as viewers will have to scroll down a massive long page to read it!!). Long paragraphs of small text are a huge put off. Use arial font. Make sure the header area gives a quick concise synopsis of what the car is.

Make sure to include a good description with as many keywords as possible. 'Mondeo V6' just won't cover it - try 'MONDEO 2.5l 2500 V6 Ghia T&T 00W VGC lo miles'. You get 55 characters for the description - use them.

Include a phone number for questions and make sure you can be available for viewings (I'd recommend a mobile number rather than your home land line).

Select gallery photo. Make sure your photos are bright and easy to pick out detail. Use fill in flash and if necessary use photo editor to brighten them up. Make sure the bit you're photoing is well zoomed in. Nothing worse on eBay than dark, out of focus pics where you cannot see what you're buying. Smudge out the registration except the year marker.

Check, double check and triple check your spelling and grammar.

Have a look at other ads on ebay first to see for yourself which ads attract you and how they are laid out. Avoid unnecessary verbiage (eg 'the cat sat on the mat' style)

I'd recommend opening a PayPal account so you can accept a deposit quickly. Include some T+Cs - eg must be collected within 7 days. Buyer to make contact and pay deposit within 3 days. Buyer must bring photo ID for V5C exchange.

I sold my wifes Metro recently - you could search for item 4560967507 if you want to look at it as a starter for ten.
Should i sell on eBay? - madf
Further to Cyd's excellent comments, I would add on T&Cs
make sure you exclude all those with less than 5 positive feedback.
exclude all overseas bids.

Otherwise you get the (few) muppets who register a new ID, win your auction and have NO intention of paying: or the Western Union scam.

(and if you read the above and have no idea what I'm talking about do a search and find out. You'll be prime picking for a con. Intelligent precautions avoid that. So take them)


madf


Should i sell on eBay? - Stuartli
Whilst supporting madf's sensible comments, it's worth remembering that even ordinary newspaper advertisements bring in their share of scam merchants or companies stating they have "clients waiting" or offering to sell your vehicle for you (for a fee of course and almost certainly not to be trusted).

If you feel up to it, have a go! Nothing to lose and everything to gain it would seem.

I was going to mention that a forum member recently described a successful car sale on e-Bay, but blue_haddock has already referred to his post in question above.
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Should i sell on eBay? - nick
I'd say go for it. I've sold a couple of cars and bought a couple on eBay. Nothing too much to add to the above good advice. Be honest with the condition; show pics of any known faults; answer queries promptly and show the q&as on the ad. I like to have a low start price which tends to get people interested, if you can take a punt and have the nerve set no reserve - the chance of a bargain gets more people bidding. I've done this twice and both times ended up with more than I expected for the car. Plus you are sure the car will be out of you hair in 10 days time. Make sure the auction ends on a weekend evening - more punters at home and bidding.
Good luck and let us know what happens if you do it.
Should i sell on eBay? - CJay{P}
Sorry to hijack the post, but do the majority of you think that putting in a Buy it Now price positively influence the buyer?
Should i sell on eBay? - nick
Tends to put me off a bit. It also gives away what you think the item is worth. If you have set a reserve, most will assume it is at or near the BIN price and maybe not bid. Most people love the thought of a bargain and once bidding, may well get carried away thus giving you a good return. I've seen several items sell for more than they could be bought new.
Should i sell on eBay? - Stuartli
I'm fully behind nick on this one. Most of the stuff I've bought on e-Bay have been computer related and as a buyer I prefer the Buy Now! approach as it usually costs less...:-)

There have been several occasions where I've been outbid for an item in the closing seconds and been delighted as it would have cost me far more than it was worth if I had "won".

Also a favourite trick by sellers is to get mates to "bid" for items and artificially push the price up.
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Should i sell on eBay? - Cyd
I agree on keeping the start price low(ish), but I believe a BIN is excellent. I buy stuff using BIN all the time. Don't forget that if someone bids then the BIN disappears and it reverts to a normal auction. What the BIN does is give someone who is serious about buying your type of car the opportunity to do so at an agreed price without having to get into a bidding war. Especially good for those out there who can't be at their computers all the time to monitor the end of the auction or really do need to buy a car quickly.

State in your ad that anyone with less than 5 positive feedback should email you first before bidding. If they do, then demand a £100 deposit off them to allow them to bid. Send them a Paypal invoice for the £100. If they bid without paying it, cancel their bid. This gives those people who have genuinely joined eBay only recently (or specially to buy a car) the opportunity to bid. The deposit can be refunded if they lose and they have the electronic transfer 'documents' as proof and a safety cushion.

This is where I think eBay really scores - you just don't get this kind of interaction with your potential customers with the traditional advert. By noting the number of hits on the ad and looking at how many people are 'watching' you are also not drawn into taking the risk of letting it go to the first person who waves cash under your nose either.

DO NOT be tempted to end the auction early for someone who mails you an offer. Tell them to bid. DO NOT allow any bids from anyone with a net negative feedback (set this in 'my preferences').

I couldn't possibly condone shill bidding. Though it can be very effective, alledgedly.
Should i sell on eBay? - Imagos
Thank you all for taking time to reply, some very interesting points.

Yes i'm going to give it a go and when i do my listing i'll carefully read your valued comments for ideas. i agree with the point that you simply don't get such a detailed ad anywhere else. I'm still a bit perplexed over the buy it now feature though. Not sure if a good idea or not. After reading the pro's i'd say yes i'll use it, then reading the con's no i wont!! The potential scammers out there is a bit worrying too, I have already been contacted by a someone in Nigeria about another listing asking me to send $400. I reported him to eBay.

Mods.. when i list my car is is ok to link it here so you can see it to see what you think or is that a no no?
Should i sell on eBay? - Adam {P}
You could stick it in the Classifieds too Imagos.
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Should i sell on eBay? - cdbr
What is shill bidding?
Should i sell on eBay? - artful dodger {P}
Shill bidding is where either you or your friends bid on an item to make it look as though there are a number of parties interested in bidding. Once the item has reached a high price the schill bidders stop and an ususpected bidder has paid over the odds for the item.

There was a case in America when an abstract painting was listed for $5.00 and sold for over $90,000. The vendor was a lawyer and along with his friends (a doctor and a dentist) they kept raising the price with numerous bidding handles. After the auction ended the buyer questioned the value of the painting to only find it was a worthless piece of art. Ebay investigated and found the scam and promptly banned the three conspirators for life.

Ebay's help page on this is:
pages.ebay.co.uk/help/policies/seller-shill-biddin...l
Should i sell on eBay? - CJay{P}
Tends to put me off a bit. It also gives away
what you think the item is worth. If you have set
a reserve, most will assume it is at or near the
BIN price and maybe not bid. Most people love the thought
of a bargain and once bidding, may well get carried away
thus giving you a good return. I've seen several items sell
for more than they could be bought new.


Surely this scenario does not occur when selling cars?
Should i sell on eBay? - Stuartli
Don't forget that if someone bids then the BIN disappears and it reverts to a normal auction. >>


Perhaps it may be because I use a different area of e-Bay, but the Buy It Now! opportunity still remains even when bids have been placed.

In fact it's often amusing to see people bid almost right up to the BIN figure, presumably forgetting about p and p having to be added, and paying more for an item than it would have cost in their local shops.
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Should i sell on eBay? - blue_haddock
tinyurl.com/bvoh7

This is the metro that i sold - tatty and pretty much without MOT and it still went for a tidy sum.
Should i sell on eBay? - madf
Buy it Now disappears only where the auction is an auction. if you have no choice but to BIN then that's all you get.

Having dealt on ebay for a number of years, I agree that BIN option is great for the buyer who wants something NOW> and cannot wait. So it's worth having. I often buy like that for URGENT items. Having to wait for an auction to end ( I snipe so not a problem as far as computer access is concerend as it's remopte) can be unacceptable for a keen buyer.

I have often wished I used it when the price ends up >10% above the BIN price.

I also agree that adverts MUST close on Saturday or Sundays nights 6 to 10pm. I buy on adverst that close midweeek from 10am to 4pm as prices are MUCH cheaper.

Remember, many buyers are not sophisticated and just bid and bid if theyWANT something. Subtlety? Commercial guile? Most weekend buyers have none of that.
I spent months selling items commercially on ebay. Usage statistics say weeknd selling is best and mid week buying is best.

Time spent on preparing an ad... layout, words, pictures and descriptions .. is worth £££s. And a high start price is a NONO.

Classic example of a very poor ad: tinyurl.com/bqekj (failed to sell 3 times and start price reduced each time...

And a much better one:tinyurl.com/b9zvl









madf


Should i sell on eBay? - drbe
"Exclude all those with less than 5 positive feedbacks"

So how does a new boy get started?
Should i sell on eBay? - AlastairW
So how does a new boy get started?

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Buy small items suchas CDs at first. You feedback will soon build up to the level you need.
Should i sell on eBay? - Welliesorter
>> So how does a new boy get started?
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Buy small items suchas CDs at first. You feedback will
soon build up to the level you need.


But isn't that also how the dodgy characters build up their positive feedback?
Should i sell on eBay? - local yokel
Are you guys talking a cross-purposes? As a seller, you want your buyers to have good feedback, so if selling, exclude (or ask to speak to) those who have less than your threshold. (as an aside I did just this, and spoke to a guy who was bidding, he lost, but I then sold him £600 invoice value/£220 profit on some kit I then bought in, and sold him direct)

As a buyer, you'd be happiest buying from a seller with lots of +ve feedback, of course.

I bought a car via eBay only last week. Not bad, but the seller hadn't put in a full (ie warts and all description). He'd listed one obvious dent, but omitted the heater fan problem (15 mins to fix), and that the sunroof only tilts (no big deal on a banger) However, for £360, long MOT, some Tax, an immaculate interior and good exterior, I wasn't too miffed.

My advice - if in doubt, describe it to the full, using pictures where possible. If the buyer turns up and rejects it on a point you've covered, then tough. If they reject on a valid pont that you've missed, then it's down to you.
Should i sell on eBay? - $till $kint
What do you lot think of "This xxxx is advertised elsewhere and I reserve the right to withdraw if it gets sold etc....."
Should i sell on eBay? - nick
It wouldn't bother me as I'd only bid at the last minute anyway. I think eBay rules don't allow an item to be withdrawn once a bid has been placed except in some exceptional circumstances. How they would police that is another matter.
Should i sell on eBay? - $till $kint
You can't withdraw in the last 12 hours. You can withdraw any time up that that point if the item is no longer available, so if you advertise elsewhere and get good money for it you can pull it if the last 12 hours haven't started ticking. eBay policy allows this.
Should i sell on eBay? - CJay{P}
You can't withdraw in the last 12 hours. You can
withdraw any time up that that point if the item is
no longer available, so if you advertise elsewhere and get good
money for it you can pull it if the last 12
hours haven't started ticking. eBay policy allows this.


You CAN withdraw within the last 12 hours, PROVIDED it has not met the reserve.

Should i sell on eBay? - Cyd
Stuartli,
If you have an auction with a BIN, then the BIN dissappears after the first bid. If you have a reserve price on the auction also, then the BIN will only dissappear when the reserve has been exceeded.

Personally I find the 'advertised elsewhere' comments a put off and would not include this in my ads. Basically this comment is telling anyone who bids that no matter how serious they are or how reasonable their bid is, they might not get it because you might sell it to the first person who waves cash under your nose. So what's the point in bidding then?

Imagos,
I'm happy to help review your ad, but remember I'm not claiming any expertise. Contact me via my eBay pseudonym cyclone_cyd and we can arrange for you to send me your Turbo Lister ad to look at.
Should i sell on eBay? - Roly93
Sorry to hijack the post, but do the majority of you
think that putting in a Buy it Now price positively influence
the buyer?

I'd say on something as expensive as a car, a buy it now price isn't realy a good thing. The reason being that if it is low enough to attract an immediate bidder it is too low, and if it is too high no-one will bid. However in an auction situation, provided you have set your reserve at a 'minimum' acceptable level, you may realise more if a couple of people are interested.
 

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