The Golf has more power and probably smoother aerodynamics, so will achieve a higher top speed. However, the Pug has a lot less weight so will accelerate faster to a given point and then tail off.
Its a bit like a bike. 0-60 in 4 secs for a modest engine, but top speed probably not a lot different to the Golf.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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And some decent Suspension.
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Even if you get your Golf chipped to 190bhp you can still be beaten by a 106 - there is one in one of the pug clubs running a 260bhp supercharged one that from the outside looks pretty much standard!
You could also get beaten by 205 GTI's too - quite a few of these have been converted to 1.9 16v engines from the 405 Mi16. With mods these often see 200bhp and are very very rapid.
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You'll probably develop an acute phobia of Skoda Octavia vRS's then.
Better suspension, bigger boot, better equipment, faster engine, but built on the same platform - and cheaper.
To be honest though, making a real performance car out of a Mk IV GTi would prepare you well for a career in selling petfood - they're both flogging a dead horse.
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Fair point, but one's still a Skoda! I hope that doesn't start some sort of barage of hate comments, I know the Skoda is a great car etc etc as is the Leon Cupra etc etc same 'A' platform, but at the end of the day it's image can't compete with the Golf - Skodas aren't for image concious 25 year olds. You can't rock up to a funky hotel in a Skoda or a Seat but the Golf GTI fits in........ (braces for an onslught of VW bashing)
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Harsh but True comment on the Golf.
Just goes to show the Golf GTI badge will always sell no matter what the competition.
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200bhp golf GTi for £20k or a Skoda Octavia VRs 180bhp for about £12500?
Bit of a no brainer for me - Octavia everytime and spend some of the savings to nicely tweak the octavia up to about 250 - 275 bhp
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200bhp golf GTi for £20k or a Skoda Octavia VRs 180bhp for about £12500?
Bit of a no brainer for me - Octavia everytime and spend the savings... on a sportsbike that'll whoop everything this side of an SLR and which is narrow and agile enough to actually use much of that performance, much of the time.
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Badging nowadays ain't a problem.
Everyone knows Skoda are owned by VAG and share most parts,
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Oh and if you fancy seeing some of these hot pugs in action and have no plans for 10th July check out www.pugfest.co.uk
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I had one of the last 1300cc 106 Rallyes (before the 1600s came in) and I think it had about 110bhp. As it weighed about as much as a peanut its acceleration and handling were very good though, and one day I did manage to get it to 130mph according to the speedo.
One of the best handling fwd cars I've ever driven, right up there with the Alfasud Sprint
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I had one of the last 1300cc 106 Rallyes (before the 1600s came in) and I think it had about 110bhp. As it weighed about as much as a peanut its acceleration and handling were very good though, and one day I did manage to get it to 130mph according to the speedo.
Ah yes the rallye! the 1300's were the series 1 and the 1600's are the series two - both are light and nippy as standard but drop the GTI lump into the front and you've created a little monster!
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I preferred the 1300, it's revvy nature suited the rest of the car. The Rallye was also lighter then the GTi wasn't it?
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Yes the rallye was lighter than the GTi - no electric windows, central locking, leather seats, thinner carpet, less sound deadening etc.
A few years ago either clarkson or topgear did a handling test and the 106 GTi came 2nd overall - all that beat it was a ferrari of some kind. Pretty impressive i'd say.
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This is hardly suprising. The Mk4 Golf GTi is a heavy, regular rep-mobile hatchback with a GTI badge on the back. It is nothing more than a trim level and 150bhp doesn't go very far in a car like this.
You got trounced by a PROPER GTi.
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A few years ago either clarkson or topgear did a handling test and the 106 GTi came 2nd overall -
Yes, a very impressive little car - I recall a brake test a few years ago where the 106GTi only came second to a then new 996, for shortest braking distance from 60-0.
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Fair point, but one's still a Skoda! I hope that doesn't start some sort of barage of hate comments, I know the Skoda is a great car etc etc as is the Leon Cupra etc etc same 'A' platform, but at the end of the day it's image can't compete with the Golf - Skodas aren't for image concious 25 year olds. You can't rock up to a funky hotel in a Skoda or a Seat but the Golf GTI fits in........ (braces for an onslught of VW bashing)
You seem to be stuck in an image timewarp, somewhere in the late '80s I think when the Golf GTi was good.
You bought your car solely on perceived image and ignored the advice people gave on other marques. Now you are realising that the Golf GTi you bought is neither fast or a good drive. Now you'll be left with nothing to brag about but your belief that your image is better at the local golf club. You'll need this reassurance as all the Cupra's, vRS's, Pug 106 GTi's et al accelerate away from you. We probably all paid significantly less for our improved performance aswell.
But you've got a better keyfob, probably with the flippy-out key which is nice.
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You seem to be stuck in an image timewarp, somewhere in the late '80s I think when the Golf GTi was good.
That's a bit unfair!
My early 80s Golf GTi was very nice too
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Er.... no. For me, the GTI is a great car and far more to brag about than a Skoda or Seat which for me have little refinement, image or class, something partially attributed to their lower cost entry point - whether they are faster or not. I'll repeat my point again, that if you went anywhere fashionable in a Golf GTI it would fit in fine - may or may not be important to you of course depending on your lifestyle - Maybe you'd prefer to have a faster car with an uncool image, that's fine -- but think about this would you really regret buying your quality Skoda if some 17 year-old in a modified Cavalier worth 2k burned you off at the lights? Of course not, because your car personifies the values that are important to you!
The fact remains that the 106 is a tiny, uncomfortable, unrefined car for teenagers, that would offer little protection in an accident, looks cheap etc etc etc - if it had a rocket attached to the back and could do 180MPH would it be a better car than the Golf? Not in my opinion for the reason given above, even though it may be brillient fun to drive. No regrets on the Golf. And the flip out key is very nice!!!!!!!
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With respect, your Golf is a Volkswagen. This, directly translated, means 'Peoples Car'. Hardly the last word in prestige. The only people who think Mk4 Golf GTi's are prestigious, flash cars are other Mk4 Golf GTi owners. True car enthusiasts would appreciate a Seat Leon Cupra R far more than yet another badge engineered Golf GTi.
I'd prefer a faster car with a cool image, not a has been hatch driven by people with a superiority complex. If I want a prestige car with a posh badge I'll proper a buy prestige car, thanks.
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So a direct translation of the brand name now equates to the ongoing values personified by a company even decades after? Absolutely ridiculous comment. Companies change, look at Audi.
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No, just an amusing aside to the rest of my post. Which I note you ignored, probably 8< snip 8< - personal comments removed. DD
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I'm a teeny bit confused.
The Seat Leon and Skoda Octavia are the same as VW Golfs. Same platform, same engines, same switchgear, even the same door mirrors. They have more power, different badges and are built outside of Germany (but hey, some Golfs are built in South Africa). The Octavia has a bigger boot, and they cost less.
Little refinement? Same car remember, unless they use different springs or something.
Little image or class? Ah, that vanity thing. Perhaps that's in the eye of the beholder. My eye is on my wallet, which is why an Octavia VRS in black would be my preference over a Golf GTI because it brings more to the party. Same car, bigger boot and 180bhp over 150.
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>>>I'm left feeling pretty insecure about it now I can tell you - I'm thinking of getting it chipped to 190bhp - I didn't spend all that cash on a quality motor to have some spotty teenager whop my ass!
PM - this will scare you even more in a way!!
When i had my Pug 205 1.1 i had a MkIII Golf GTI beside me with four peeps inside, the muppet driver i dont think wasnt as experienced in driving these cars (me neither).
When the lights changed green i flew off, where as the Golf went 'clonk' & stalled!! He never caught up with me going down the A404! i was goin flat out!!!
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Am I missing something here or does the 0-60 time of your car affect how good a person you are or how attractive you are to women/men/sheep etc...what a joke.......
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Watch you're not too helpful now.
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>>Am I missing something here or does the 0-60 time of your car affect how good a person you are or how attractive you are to women/men/sheep etc...what a joke.......
Miller - are you trying to patronise me here or what? ;-)
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Am I missing something here or does the 0-60 time of your car affect how good a person you are or how attractive you are to women/men/sheep etc...what a joke.......
Yeah, I wonder what would happen if some people just enjoy the sensation of fast acceleration?
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Am I missing something here or does the 0-60 time of your car affect how good a person you are or how attractive you are to women/men/sheep etc...what a joke.......
I don't worry about being attractive to men or sheep but I suppose there is no accounting for taste...
madf
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