Aprila, I have been considering buying a TT albeit a RHD.
Could I ask you why you're not a fan? Also is changing the cambelt any more difficult on the 1.8 TT than say the PSA diesel on a 406 / Citroen BX?
If I were to buy one, I would expect the driving experience to be quite good, but as I have not got around to test driving one yet, I don't know.
Reggie
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Sorry "Aprilia".
Reggie
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This is what I want to buy. I still have the Lexus but if I get a TT my husband will get the Lexus.
I don't think I'll go for it
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Aprila, I have been considering buying a TT albeit a RHD. Could I ask you why you're not a fan? Also is changing the cambelt any more difficult on the 1.8 TT than say the PSA diesel on a 406 / Citroen BX? If I were to buy one, I would expect the driving experience to be quite good, but as I have not got around to test driving one yet, I don't know. Reggie
I'm not very keen on them for several reasons. I don't particularly like the styling - its a bit too 'gross' for me (I accept that as a personal predjudice though!). I don't much like sitting in the car either. If the trim is a dark colour then it feels like being inside a cave - there is a big thick side pillar which makes the interior rather gloomy and really inhibits side vision. Too much metal, not enough glass. You have to check sideways very carefully before changing lane, for example.
The cars are a bit difficult to work on - certainly more so than the 406/BX that you mention. They are not very reliable (it is not just the coils, I have seen them with faulty clutches and a variety of engine management problems). The instrument panel electronics commonly go AWOL. BBA-Reman will rebuild them for you, but its not cheap!
As a newish/low-mileage proposition they are not bad, but I wouldn't want an older/high-mileage one.
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Aprilia, I have had a 206 CC which had a thick front pillar, and have sat in an Alfa GT which also didn't have very good all round vision so I know what you mean about poor side vision at junctions.
What does worry me is the cost of spares if a TT goes wrong, so if I do persue this one, it would have to be great fun to drive to compensate.
Thanks for your reply.
Reggie
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I'm not very keen on them for several reasons. I don't particularly like the styling - its a bit too 'gross' for me
He he! Me and mine (as opposed to "you and yours") call them the Audi TarT for exactly this reason!
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Aprilia,
I'll have to disagree with you on this one, I love the look of this one. my love affair ended though, when I got to drive it. Rock hard ride, poor front and rear visability, teddable thing to park in a tight space!
I have only ever had two customers with these, and neither of them kept them longer than a year, and cited the same as I have.
Regards Tony.
(Ps Do you post on BBA as well?)
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"teddable" where did that come from! Sorry, should have been terrable!
It's my poor, errrr, voice recodnition software. Honest!
Regards Tony
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Well, styling is a personal thing. I don't like the look of them. I agree that the ride is rather hard.
I have not posted on the BBA board as yet, but did look at it about a week ago.
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For the same price you could get a 12month/2yr old Hyundai Coupe with 3/4yrs warranty left - personally I think it's a better looking car too (although I'm biased I own one).
Not the choice to make though if you're "badge conscious" - definitely a suprise package though, I hadn't considered one until my girlfriend suggested we take a test drive, made my mind up immediately afterwards. Audi TT bit too common now & IMHO doesn't justify it's high price tag, certainly doesn't seem to be the most reliable Audi either - Top Gear survey results etc have been disappointing !!
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The problem with the Hyundai is its power output is poor for the capacity (171 bhp is not that good for a 2.7 V6, which would probably be the only engine a potential TT owner would consider, as the 2 litre 136 bhp is even more underpowered!.) It will probably be more reliable than the TT, is definately rarer, but IMO is not as good looking or desirable, and come sale time will have depreciated much more!
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Have to agree on the performance, I have the 2.0SE & it's certainly no "ball of fire" - on the other hand it's no slouch either, personally find it pretty good for everday driving (35mpg too).
Image wise, then obviously Audi will get the "image" vote.
Depreciation however I don't think in real terms the Audi will leave anymore cash in your pocket than the Coupe - certainly take a lot more out of it to start with !! A 9 month old 2.0SE will cost you 12K & have 4yrs 3 month warranty - certainly take some beating when wanting "value for money".
Depreciation on the 2.0SE is very good whilst the Audi TT seems to be beginning to depreciate a little more quickly now
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Admit though if I was prepared to spend £20K on a car I would have gone for the Mazda RX8
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audi is by far a better looking car than the hyundai.
thats not badge conscious just truthful!!!
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audi is by far a better looking car than the hyundai. thats not badge conscious just truthful!!!
No, its a matter of opinion. I prefer the style of the Hyundai over the TT. I think the TT is very much 'love it or hate it'. The TT with its low-set driving position, high waistline and gloomy interior doesn't appeal to me from either the outside or inside. My wife , on the other hand, does like the appearance of them......
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"audi is by far a better looking car than the hyundai.
thats not badge conscious just truthful!!!"
-- not my view, think the Hyundai has a more "proportioned" look, better than both though IMHO are the Nissan 350Z & Mazda RX8, unfortunately both costing more than I was prepared to pay.
Just for the record too the Hyundai Coupe now outsells both the Audi TT & Toyota Celica - probably due to the "value for money"/looks/warranty balance.
Don't get me wrong think the TT's a nice car, just think it's not worth the high price when taking into consideration all the pro's & con's - bit like the new Mini, nice car silly money
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Just for the record too the Hyundai Coupe now outsells both the Audi TT & Toyota Celica - probably due to the "value for money"/looks/warranty balance.
more like the bog standard tt being out of most peoples price range so they settle for something else?
must be me but i think the shape of the 350z is a tt replica(very nice)
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Well, the TT is within my price range but I think I still prefer the styling of the Hyundai (or the Celica come to that).
The RX-8 - now that *is* a nicely styled car!
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Not fussed on the new Celica, give me the 5th generation (pop up light model) or 6th that replaced it anyday!
Whats your thoughts on wankel engines Aprilia, reckon Mazda are mad in persevering with them?
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I was under the impression that Audi was a well engineered car - what happened to the "Vorn sprurn durch technik" thingy? Is it just the TT.
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I was under the impression that Audi was a well engineered car - what happened to the "Vorn sprurn durch technik" thingy? Is it just the TT.
I think it is generally well engineered, but it does have a couple of little 'foibles' like the waterpump problem and the instrument pack. The snag is, being an Audi, its a dear job to fix them. Plus the styling means poor access to the engine - which means expense because repair jobs take longer.
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Whats your thoughts on wankel engines Aprilia, reckon Mazda are mad in persevering with them?
Many years ago I actually owned an early Mazda rotary (a 1974 RX-3 Coupe). Not a bad car, although I did rebuild the engine twice...
Due to advances in reciprocating engine technology the wankel's advantages of smoothness and compactness are not as great as they used to be. Try a Mitsubishi 6A12 V6 MIVEC engine for example - 200bhp, red-lined at 8500rpm and smooth as a wankel, with better economy.
The big snag with the wankel is its poor surface:volume ratio which manifests itself as poorer thermal efficiency (too much heat loss during combustion) and large crevice volume (due to long and thin combustion chamber) which leads to poor emissions.
Basically I think that as reciprocating engines continue to improve the wankel will remain just a curiosity.
Having said all that, they seem reliable enough and I'd probably go for an RX-8 if I was in the market for that kind of a car. I'd test drive a Z-car too though, just to make sure!
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I know people can get incredible performance out of the 12B and 13 B rotary engines, with sub 6 second 0-60 times for what is effectively a supermini engine capacity! There was one guy who built a tri-rotor 13B, could get over 210 mph.
Going back to what you said about the TT's instruments being troublesome, the car that Sarah is interested in says something about dashboard lights playing up!
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Yes, and I think we are refering to this sort of repair bill at a main dealer, taken from HJs Car-by-Car " Dashpods seem to fail regularly on older cars and cost £900 to replace".
Reggie
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Yes, and I think we are refering to this sort of repair bill at a main dealer, taken from HJs Car-by-Car " Dashpods seem to fail regularly on older cars and cost £900 to replace". Reggie
You don't have to go to a main dealer for this. BBA-Reman will rebuild your own instrument pack for a much lower price - you obviously have to remove it, send it away for a few days, and then reinstall it.
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Should have been'terrible';).
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