Warning Triangle on Motorway - IanJohnson
Just received the fleet company'e travel in europe pack and it includes an AA Fleet Europe Driver's Guide. It includes the comment that you should "never use a warning triangle on UK motorways"!

I have always worked on the basis that the bang as the snoozing driver hits the triange might wake him up but is use of a warning triangle illegal on the motorway now?
Warning Triangle on Motorway - SjB {P}
The travel pack gives accurate advice, confirmed by the Highway Code.

www.highwaycode.gov.uk/24.htm#248

My assumption is that pedestrians are banned from motorways, and that's exactly what you would have to be to place a triangle behind your vehicle. In the process, you would be exposed to grave risk.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - SjB {P}
Posted too soon.

Wanted to add: Simply get all occupants out of the car through the passenger side, and walk well away from the motorway.

I recall a heated discussion at work once when a colleague said that 'all occupants' should exclude pets, even those on a lead. They should be left in the car. I agreed with him, but a dog loving colleague went in to orbit about cruelty.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - IanJohnson
Thanks for the aqnswer, must re-read the highways code.

If it is because pedestrians are banned how do you walk to the nearest emergency phone?

Ian
Warning Triangle on Motorway - SjB {P}
Thanks for the aqnswer, must re-read the highways code.
If it is because pedestrians are banned how do you walk
to the nearest emergency phone?
Ian


Not straight down the hard shoulder!

But anyway, I believe it's all about risk, and placing a triangle doesn't give enough benefit on a motorway to warrant taking it.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - SjB {P}
On the subject of emergency phones, I read last year about them potentially being phased out because of the cost to maintain and that most people carry cell phones now anyway.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - patently
a dog loving colleague went in to orbit about cruelty.


Better that than the dog escaping the lead and being sent into orbit itself.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - Cliff Pope
Aren't the circumstances in which a red triangle would be most useful likely to be precisely those where it is most dangerous to place it?
Is it safe to walk along a narrow fast single carriageway road with no pavement in order to place the triangle? What precisely are the circumstances in which using a triangle is considered to be safe?
Warning Triangle on Motorway - BazzaBear {P}
Aren't the circumstances in which a red triangle would be most
useful likely to be precisely those where it is most dangerous
to place it?
Is it safe to walk along a narrow fast single carriageway
road with no pavement in order to place the triangle? What
precisely are the circumstances in which using a triangle is considered
to be safe?


I think the point is more the different benefits of placing the triangle, rather than the risks.
On a normal road when you've broken down you are exactly where traffic would normally be travelling, hence the triangle to make them aware. On the motorway you're theoretically not in the route they'd be using anyway, so the triangle would just possibly alarm someone un-necessarily, and the benefit is low enough that the risk of placing it is deemed to great.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - Cliff Pope
I think the point is more the different benefits of placing
the triangle, rather than the risks.
On a normal road when you've broken down you are exactly
where traffic would normally be travelling, hence the triangle to make
them aware. On the motorway you're theoretically not in the route
they'd be using anyway, so the triangle would just possibly alarm
someone un-necessarily, and the benefit is low enough that the risk
of placing it is deemed to great.


Possibly. But the risk of walking back to place the triangle on a motorway is no greater than the risk of walking to the emergency phone (and taking the same diversion into the undergrowth to avoid walking along the actual hard shoulder)
The risk on a fast single carriageway is much greater, because you may well be forced to walk in the road directly in the path of oncoming traffic. Yet no one seems to be saying that you shouldn't use the triangle then either, despite the same or greater risk.
Also don't forget that the risk is borne by the walker with the triangle, but the benefit is mainly to the other driver who is warned against crashing into my (now empty) car. Do I want to take any risks just for someone else's benefit?
Warning Triangle on Motorway - patently
Possibly. But the risk of walking back to place the triangle
on a motorway ...


You could always give the triangle to the dog and send him instead.


;-)
Warning Triangle on Motorway - codefarm
>>>but a dog loving colleague went in to orbit about cruelty<<<

Just shows where pets are concerned common sense goes out the window.

Imagine trying to control some bounding hound while you wait 3 hours for the AA to turn up
Warning Triangle on Motorway - frostbite
"Just shows where pets are concerned common sense goes out the window."

Disagree, the point of leaving your vehicle is a personal safety issue - how many dog owners would want to leave their dog exposed to the danger they have escaped from?
Warning Triangle on Motorway - patently
how many dog owners would want to leave their dog exposed to
the danger they have escaped from?


None, surely. But people understand that they need to sit still on the verge. Dogs don't. Therefore, for the dog the lesser danger is in the vehicle.

So, put the question the other way round. How many owners would want to expose their dog to the danger of running into the traffic on a potentially busy motorway?

Not me*.

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*although I admit it's academic for me. Our dog gets travel sick, so the longest journey she does is to the kennel. :-(
Warning Triangle on Motorway - hillman
We all had to buy warning triangles when I was in Zambia, quite a profitable business it must have been for the supplier. I still have them here in the UK 25 years later.
Before the triangles it was the practice to walk back down the road a 100 yards or so and break branches off the nearest tree. A pile of green, leafy branches lying in the road alerted the following drivers just as well as any number of triangles.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - Altea Ego
"A pile of green, leafy branches lying in the road alerted the following drivers just as well as any number of triangles"


I tried that in December, but a pile of brown crunchy twigs did not seem to have the same impact.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - frostbite
So, put the question the other way round. How many
owners would want to expose their dog to the danger of
running into the traffic on a potentially busy motorway?

>>

I was assuming that they would be sure to be carrying a lead.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - Altea Ego
Dogs have leads and collars. Motorways have fence posts. dog+lead/collar+fancepost=safety.

However

The recovery service usually WILL NOT recover pets. so it has ot be left in the car to be recovered.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - hillman
>>I tried that in December, but a pile of brown crunchy twigs did not seem to have the same impact.

Renault Family, the leaves do not drop in Zambia, some turn bronze/gold, others stay green. Best climate in the world. It rains between November and March. From April to September it is dry and sunny, with the very occasional shower about August.
Warning Triangle on Motorway - barney100

'We need to get out of the car dear, it's dangerous and we must get away from the immediate area, Rover will be fine.' I invite you to write swmb's response.

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Andrea Hutchings

I was picked up with my son by the AA - had a hi vis and warning triangle on hard shoulder - we were both behind the barrier and the triangle was about 3 feet from the car - on hard shoulder. Never at any point did the AA man tell me I should not use my triangle on the motorway - neither did the operator when I rang them to pick me up. I was working on the premise of 's***, I've broken down on the motorway with my 17 yr old son, ' TF we have food - and some sort of protection from the motorway fiends !'

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Avant

I'm not quite sure why you've resurrected a 14-year-old thread. Do you need advice or are you answering a question?

Warning Triangle on Motorway - focussed

On the subject of not using warning triangles on uk motorways,

The recommendation not to use them is because there have been some instances where the triangle can be sucked or blown into the moving traffic by hgv's passing in no1 lane - resulting in flying triangles amongst high speed motorway traffic.

Warning Triangle on Motorway - gordonbennet

I'm not quite sure why you've resurrected a 14-year-old thread. Do you need advice or are you answering a question?

Probably be copied and pasted shortly with some dubious spam links within.

Going back to warning triangles, as Focussed says most triangles would be too light to stay put on the road, better would be to invest a few quid in one of the strobe/ flashing beacons we discussed a few months ago, plonked on the roof of the car a heck of lot better for warning others than a triangle...though triangles still have their place if you are on an ordinary road after a bend for example.

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Bilboman

It seems that years of research have proven that the advantages of warning triangles in most cases are outweighed by the disadvantages of using them:
* As they are so little used in the UK, a driver seeing one may not react instinctively (i.e. maintain speed, stay within lane, no sudden changes in direction, watch out for hazard some way ahead).
* Placing one correctly (45 metres behind the breakdown - ideally 45 metres beyond a bend in the road which would mask the broken down vehicle) is in itself dangerous.
* A triangle is easily blown away, knocked over or flattened.
* However, the intelligent fitment of a warning triangle inside the bootlid of most German cars is probably the best, as it reinforces the usually understood impression of "boot open = broken down car" with no added risk to the driver
Triangles seem to be on the way out in Spain, as the recently introduced roof-mounted magnetic beacons, which replace the need for a triangle on a motorway, are selling well and enable a driver to place one on the roof from within the car.
At the moment, a Spanish registered car has to have two triangles on board, and a driver is expected to place one 50 metres behind the car on a motorway/dual carriageway, with all its associated risks, and also one 50 metres ahead of the car on the same side of an undivided road. In practice, most drivers place one or both triangles right behind the car, serving no useful purpose.

Edited by Bilboman on 29/12/2019 at 12:48

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Brit_in_Germany

Also, if the warning triangle is placed 45 m behind the car the chances of it being retrieved when the car is being towed are close to nill.

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Terry W

Old threads should be permanantly closed after (say) 6 months inactivity to avoid this sort of nonsense after 15 years. Just a thought!!

Warning Triangle on Motorway - Bromptonaut

Warning triangles are a Continental thing that never really caught on in UK. IIRC both my Skodas came with one. I think a Simca 1500 estate my Father had in 1966-69 was first time I ever saw one.

IMHO they've limited utility nowadays as all cars have decent 12volt electrics and hazards. Still carry mine as it might be helpful in an incident on a minor road but I'd not use it on a hard shoulder for reasons of (a) risk deploying it and (b) GB's point that they're quite likely to be tossed around by lorry slipstream or even just wind and do some damage.

Incidentally I've travelled today from Wrexham to Northampton via A483>A5>M54>M6>M1. A mix of single and dual carriageway A roads and conventional motorway, smart motorway and 'dynamic hard shoulder'

Moderate to heavy traffic with some variable speed limit in use ob sections of the M6. Saw precisely 2 breakdowns. both on hard shoulder.

Warning Triangle on Motorway - focussed

Apart for the original purpose of warning of a broken-down vehicle they get used in the french countryside quite a lot for warning of grass verge mowing or hedge or tree cutting next to the road around the next blind bend etc, and are very effective - it's about the only thing that slows french drivers down and switches their hazard perception on.

 

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