5th Gear to Speed Camera Thread - martint123
(I edited the original title to make it clearer what the thread became about. HJ)

It's back

Time - 20:30 - 21:00 (30 minutes long)
When - Monday 21st March on five
Motoring magazine presented by Tiff Needell, Vicki Butler-Henderson, Jason Plato and Jon Bentley. In this first edition of the new series, Vicki learns some Hollywood stunt tricks; Tiff and Jason test-drive the new Porsche Boxster, this week's competition prize, as it goes head-to-head against the BMZ 24; and Jon checks out speed camera detectors.
(New Series, Subtitles, Stereo, Followed by five news at 9)

5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
>Jon checks out speed camera detectors.

Don't they become illegal to buy soon?
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Truckosaurus
>Jon checks out speed camera detectors.
Don't they become illegal to buy soon?


There's no laws drafted as yet, I get the feeling The Powers That Be just threatened to ban them to disuade people from buying them. The GPS based ones would be impossible to legislate against as they don't detect anything, just inform you of your location and what else might be in the vicinity.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
>The Powers That Be just threatened to ban them

What about the ones that 'detect' the mobile sites?
I'm sure that someone will claim that any warning of Plod generating revenue is unfair and try to ban them.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Nothing wrong with detecting a site now is there. After all, if it's an accident blackspot, then I want to know!
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5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
IIRC one of the Police areas in the North said they would prosecute anyone they suspected of using one of the radar jammer thingies.
Again, I thought they had been/were about to become illegal.

It's going to be interesting what 5th Gear has to say.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Radar jammers are illegal and quite rightly so in my opinion. Knowing which roads are dangerous enough to require speed checks is a whole other matter.
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5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - NowWheels
Knowing which roads are dangerous enough to require speed checks is
a whole other matter.


All roads require speed checks: unless destricted roads are re-introduced, drivers need to check that their own speed does not exceed the limit. [/pedant]

Of course, if these devices were simply to alert drivers of dangerous roads, they would also warn of accident blackspots which don't have cameras. Do any of them actually do that?
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Ex-Moderator
Are you saying that some accident blackspots don't have cameras ?? That's a shock - surely questions should be asked ??

Still, at least until that is done the camera locators will help you be pre-warned about as many blackspots as possible and certainyl give you more warning of an accident blackspot than you might otherwise get.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Gotta agree with him there.
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - NowWheels
Are you saying that some accident blackspots don't have cameras ??


Of course they don't. The criteria for installing cameras are quite narrow, and I can think of several blackspots which don't meet the criteria.
Still, at least until that is done the camera locators will
help you be pre-warned about as many blackspots as possible and
certainyl give you more warning of an accident blackspot than you
might otherwise get.


Not necessarily. If the data only warns about monitored blackspots, then it assists those who want to exceed legal speeds by allowing them to observe the limits only where they are being enforced.

If drivers were serious about obeying the limits, they would have devices which warned them when they exceeded the limits. These selective gadgets are just devices to evade detection.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Assuming anything above the limit is dangerous.

>>Not necessarily. If the data only warns about monitored blackspots, then it assists those who want to exceed legal speeds by allowing them to observe the limits only where they are being enforced.<,

That's a side effect. What if I want to be EXTRA careful at blackspots?

But I don't want to talk about it - partly because,

1) This is about 5th Gear
2) We're going to get moderated which inevitably will lead to
3) This get's deleted which almost certainly will
4) Annoy me, along with everone else (rightly so) and those people who may miss 5th Gear because this thread got deleted
5) No-one cares anymore. I'm not going to convince you that some speeding is ok, just as you aren't going to convince me that 31mph will kill me.

Enough.
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - NowWheels
I'm not going to convince you that some speeding is ok, just as
you aren't going to convince me that 31mph will kill me.


Thanks for confirming that these things are about faciliating speeding.

As you say, enough.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
*Opens mouth to speak*

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Damn and blast!
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - trancer
"These selective gadgets are just devices to evade detection."

You say that like its a bad thing.

Seriously though, my PDA based blackspot detector can also be configured to warn me whenever I exceed a set speedlimit, but I don't have that function enabled as it would be annoying to hear it go off every time I am driving.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - NowWheels
my PDA based blackspot detector can also be configured
to warn me whenever I exceed a set speedlimit, but I
don't have that function enabled as it would be annoying to
hear it go off every time I am driving.


What I would like to have is something like that, but with a record of the limits in force on each road. Then it could squeak if I exceeded the limit in force.

It might need a bit more memory than is available in the current generation of PDAs, but it shouldn't require a huge leap in technology.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - trancer
Current PDA based satnavs will do that, but are only as good as the last recorded limit. If the council changes the limit tomorrow morning then you are out of luck...unless you have the blackspot detector activated 8-)
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Thommo
HOLD IT ADSKI!

Laser jammers are THOUGHT to be illegal. Radar detectors were also thought to be illegal until someone took it to court and found they weren't, thats why the law has to be changed to ban them.

OK with janmmers its more likely they are actually illegal but that is a decision for the courts not the police.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Fair point Thommo. I shoudl point out in my post that I used radar/laser as interchangable. I don't even think there is a radar jammer. I assume you'd get slapped with a perverting the course of justice charge if you used a jammer?

I've very nearly bought a detector twice now. lucky I held off.
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5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Altea Ego
Ok situation is

Jammers ARE illegal, always have been always will be, under criminal law and the radio telegraphy act.

Radar detectors were thought to be illegal, they are not currently but will be soon

GPS based devices never were illegal and wont be in the future either.

5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - tyre tread
That should read Wireless & Telegraphy Act (1929 IIRC)

Difference is that detectors are passive whereas Jammers emit radio frequency.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
I have no issue with jammers. It's effectively the same as punching a cop in the when he's staking out a drug den. If you know he's there and don't do anything dodgy then that's something completely different.

I'm happy for jammers to be banned.
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - NowWheels
If you know he's there and don't do anything dodgy
then that's something completely different.


But the warning gadgets are more like saying "pssht! There's a cop hiding in the bushes. Wait until you have passed him before selling that stash".
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
I disagree but I'm not going to say why because....well you know.
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Altea Ego
"Difference is that detectors are passive whereas Jammers emit radio frequency."

If you read the "wireless and telegraphy act" you will find it is an offence to receive *and act upon* signals for which you are not licensed.

That was the basis for which *detectors* used to be banned. However a court case decided that the signals contained no information to act upon, hence the ban was not legal.

It will be next year however.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - henry k
It' back

Thanks for the reminder
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Imagos
If you really want that porsche. No i'm not giving answer!

www.five.tv/accessibility/competitions/fifthgear/
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Everyone knows it's Southend on Sea!

I never knew they were so cheap though. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, 32 grand for a Porsche ain't too bad is it?
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5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - BobbyG
Adam, you not got any studying to do????? You're on full throttle just now with the posts! :)
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
Of course I've got studying to do Bobby. I'm jut...not doing it! That's what Uni's all about!

Plus the facts all my mates are on holiday so I'm stuck here!

10 points for a nice motoring link though!
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Adam
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Big Bad Dave
Well I was sound asleep on the sofa until the first ad break and I wish I?d slept through the whole program. What a load of rubbish. Much as I enjoy watching Vicki BH rolling around on the floor, she?d have to be naked for me to sit through that tripe again. I?ve jumped on Routemasters going faster than that.

Thanks but I?ll get my motoring kicks with American Hotrod on Home and Leisure. That?s a motoring program worth staying awake for.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Dynamic Dave
American Hotrod on Home and Leisure. That?s a motoring program worth staying awake for.


I also like watching that. Shame about Blue Beer though.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Altea Ego
I?ve jumped on Routemasters

And off.

Ah the good old Routemaster.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - cheddar
Was it any good, can't miss University Challenge myself!
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Adam {P}
I'll be honest Cheddar, I don't think it was that good. The Radar detector article was short but I suppose a bit of good information. I missed the second half intentionally.
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5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Altea Ego
errrr It was rubbish. Tiffiny Needle and Jason Plankton hooning about a race track doing leary oversteer and claiming they were trying to beat each other, and VBH pretending to get run over and jumping (jumping? was that jumping) at 10 mph from one car to another

The sat nav article was short but accurate (IMO)

All in all a waste of 30 minutes. Should have watched our corrie
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - AndrewMarc
i have been thinking about getting a tom tom type thing and found the info on 5th gear interesting about the free info but wondered if the info was any good and can i just get a cheap system as not bothered about the sat nav mainly the camera detector.

As a second point why do people get run over - because they dont look and listen. I speed but I do it from a safe 2 second distance I slowdown for corners and I assess the conditions and time ie middle of night. Why do you think there arent cameras on every bridge on this countries - its because if people didnt speed this country would come to a stand still (slower speed means more time on road and more congestion)
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Big Bad Dave
"Shame about Blue Beer though"

Yeah the Rat Rod stand off was really gripping TV but Blue Bear was asking for it. I would have sacked him long before Boydd did. I keep hoping he?s gonna come back then I remember it?s not a soap.

It all seems to be falling apart at the moment, Duane has gone nuts and could do with a good kicking and Charlie from the Bodyshop is going to defect to the competition.

You don?t have to be interested in Hot Rods either because most of the program is about the working relationship of the guys. It?s nice to see some real metal-work crafting though and even some carpentry on that horrible "1942 woodie" they?re doing at the moment. It?s the final episode tomorrow at 10. I wonder if they?ll make it to the show in Hawaii.

5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Dynamic Dave
Blue Bear was asking for it. I would have sacked him long before Boydd did.


Although he was disrespectful toward Boyd, I did feel he had some valid points. It was his car and he wanted to build it in his particular style, but Boyd insisted he went along with boxing the frame rails. Ok, it was a safety related issue as far as Boyd was concerned, but he wouldn't listen to Blue Bear's (is it Bear or Beer?) suggestions at all. Basically because Boyd had been building hotrods for 40 yrs, he wanted it done his way, and his way only. I thought that was what the Rat Rod challenge was all about - young guys versus the old guys. I'm glad Mike's car beat Boyd's car in the looks department at the end though.
I keep hoping he?s gonna come back then I remember it?s not a soap.


Perhaps BB was re-incarnated as the Possum that got into the workshop? Have to admit, the beards looked familiar ;o)
Duane has gone nuts and could do with a good kicking


Definately got the "short guy" chip on the shoulder.
and Charlie from the Bodyshop


I know he's married, but there's definately something camp about Charlie.

I just love the attitude of the Roy, the sheet metal worker. Comes to work for 3 days & spends most of it asleep. Shame Dwayne sacked Roy's recent female helper for not phoning in to ask for the day off. She was quite nice, and added a touch of glamour to the workshop.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Dynamic Dave
Blue Bear's (is it Bear or Beer?)


Or is it actually Blue Beard?

Maybe a prank using engineers blue earned him the nickname?
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Big Bad Dave
Roy?s great isn?t he? He was certainly far more pleasant when he had his little helper. That?s when Dwayne (or Duane) really started to get up my nose after firing the hot chick. I can?t believe he actually dragged her around the offices to try and prove that she hadn?t phoned in sick. Pretty girls should always be given the benefit of the doubt, everybody knows that.

But Blue Whatsisname was being paid to build his own car, parts and all and just the smallest squeak of appreciation or even a thankyou might have saved his job. And the young versus old was fantastic, apprentices eventually become the old masters (a bit like Star Wars) but if you were Boyd, would you want it to happen so publicly?

Actually the reason I got hooked on this program was Mike. I couldn?t stop staring at his mouth, what?s with those lips that never move when he speaks? Has in been in an accident or did the wind change one day. He only ever has one expression - slack-jawed bewilderment.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Dynamic Dave
Actually the reason I got hooked on this program was Mike.
I couldn?t stop staring at his mouth, what?s with those lips
that never move when he speaks?


It was mentioned in one of the episodes - the Aluminium car for the photoshoot out on the salt flats. He mentioned something about being a passenger in a car that Boyd was driving the last time they were out there and breaking his jaw and also paralysing part of his face, in the process.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - Altea Ego
"wondered if the info was any good"

In a word, its ok but not as good as the commercial databases.

The Origin B2 (as demod on the prog) is the bees knees, I know several users who have nothing but praise for the accuracy, completeness, and currency of the Origin Database.


Its comes with sta nav info output plug, so it could be fed into a PDA running Tom Tom.


So if you want Camera locator only then get one of the commercial jobbies, if you want SAt Nav as well get a PDA with tom tom and download the free (slightly iffy) camera database.
5th gear back tonight 21/3/05 - daveyjp
Have to agree, the programme was a complete waste of time. Top Gear should be back soon!