Rear Wiper on Saloons - Round The Bend
I know this may have been covered before, but why are rear wipers always specified on estates and hatches but never on saloons? I can think of many occasions when I could have done with such a wiper on my Passat.
Is the rear wiper omitted for aesthetic or cost reasons or is there some science?


Rear Wiper on Saloons - Garethj
You only tend to need a rear wiper when the rear screen is near vertical like on an estate or hatchback. The aerodynamics around the rear of a saloon or coupe usually means that it clears well just by driving it
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Round The Bend
Yes - but it does n't!
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Robert J.
Funnily enough, the bloke who lives across the road from me has just bought a Honda saloon (Accord ??). He is very pleased with it, except for the lack of rear wiper. To get around the problem he applies some stuff he got from Halfords that causes the water to bead up and drop off and claims it works very well. I'll try and get the name of it if you are intereted (or can anyone else remind me please ?)
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Dynamic Dave
I'll try and get the name of it if you are intereted (or can anyone else remind me please ?)


Rain-x ??
Rear Wiper on Saloons - GrahamF1
Gareth has it spot on.

If you think about it, the sloping rear window of a saloon has airflow rushing across it whilst the car is in motion - this should clear any droplets of water.

The near-vertical window of an estate or hatchback is generally shielded from airflow fairly well by the rest of the car, hence a wiper is necessary to clear droplets of water.

I used to have a Rover 214, which although it was a hatchback had a shallow-sloping rear window much like a saloon (it had a rear wiper). I noticed that when driving at speed while rain fell the wiper was unnecessary, but when stopped in traffic the water built up and the wiper became necessary.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Vin {P}
"The near-vertical window of an estate or hatchback"

Pardon?

Estate window near-vertical, I agree. For this you often get a wiper.

Hatchback window, near-horizontal. For this you often/always get a wiper.

Saloon window. Somewhere between the two. No wiper.

I think it's a look thing. I've seen saloons with wipers and they look a bit odd. I reckon that's all there is to it.

V
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Garethj
"The near-vertical window of an estate or hatchback"
Pardon?

I said "THE NEAR-VERTICAL WIN..." ;-)

It's down to the aerodynamics, most saloons don't need one when they're moving, most estates or hatchbacks do.

For those with very long memories, the tiny tail fins on the back of the Austin A40 Farina were supposed to add turbulance to clear the rear window instead of a rear wiper! I think they should have added a clockwork one to match the indicators though...
Rear Wiper on Saloons - GrahamF1
Hatchback rear window, near-horizontal?!!!

So Golfs, Focuses (Focii?), A2s and Fiestas all have a near-horizontal rear window do they?

Hmmmmm
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Garethj
Hatchback rear window, near-horizontal?!!!

Porsche 928? :-)
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Vin {P}
"So Golfs, Focuses (Focii?), A2s and Fiestas all have a near-horizontal rear window do they?"

No, but Mondeos, Mazda 626s, Cavaliers, et al do, much nearer the horizontal than my Omega saloon. All of these are cars I've owned and all of them need a rear wiper as much as each other. Note my lack of sarcastic tone; makes discussions much nicer.

So, what we have are some hatchbacks with long, sloping rear windows with wipers, some hatchbacks and estates with vertical windows with wipers, and in between we have saloons which somehow have them omitted.

If instead of ridiculing, you gave some thought to what I was saying, you might agree that there's some inconsistency here. Either that or the suggestion is that somewhere between long sloping hatches and vertical windows is some odd area where wipers are no longer needed. Possible, but unlikely.

V
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Dynamic Dave
why are rear wipers always specified on estates and hatches but never on saloons?


Some saloons have/had them, the old Ford Orion being one.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - henry k
Some saloons have/had them, the old Ford Orion being one.

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Early Mondeos and IIRC early Honda Preludes also had them.
I guess it spoils the line but have they asked the customer what they want? Of course, but that would be an extra, Sir, at £xxx.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - cheddar
Rear wipers were an option when the 406 was first launched.

Flat back hatches, i.e. Fiesta, and estates, i.e Mondeo, need a rear wiper because the airflow across the top of the car departs from the car above the rear window thus leaving the rear window exposed to the vortices of wet and dirty air that fill the whole left by that car as it moves forward. On the other hand with notch back hatches (i.e Mondeo 5dr) and saloons the airflow over the top of the car departs from the car below the rear window, the edge of the boot lid thus leaving the n.o. plate etc only exposed to the vortices of wet and dirty air that fill the whole left by that car as it moves forward.

Therefore, for instance, a Mondeo saloon has almost as much use for a rear wiper as the hatch (the only difference bing the slightly steeper window on the saloon), it seems to be nothing more than tradition that specifies wipers on hatches and not saloons.


Regards.

Regards.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - WipeOut
I wish my Volvo S60 Saloon had a rear wiper.

Yes aerodynamics clear the rear window but only at speeds in excess of 60mph. During the busy city rushhour there isn't much chance of attaining those sort of speeds, unless I want to star in some traffic cops tv programme!

WipeOut



Rear Wiper on Saloons - Big Bad Dave
I rarely reverse into parking spaces at 60mph. This aerodynamic theory is nonsense.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - blue_haddock
I once had an arguement with a Jaguar salesman after i said the X type would be better with a rear wash wipe - he swore blind that no saloon had been fitted with one.

I pointed out that the 306 Sedan i was in at the time had one as did the Orion/Escort Saloon.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Civic8
Correct me if wrong.Dont recall the orion having rear wiper??.Escort yes..Orion being booted version of escort!
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Steve
Rear Wiper on Saloons - David Horn
It's not so much when you're driving that you need one, it's first thing in the morning when you need to reverse out your drive and the window is covered in ice / snow / water / dead leaves etc.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - BazzaBear {P}
I may be looking at this too simply here, but for the majority of saloons, isn't the reason for no wiper just that there's nowhere to put the pivot and motor for it? The piece of the car you would usually use moves because it's the boot lid.
I realise that this isn't the case all the time, but maybe this is what started the habit of not specifying rear wipers for saloons?
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Imagos
You see the odd '93-'96 Mondeo Ghia saloon with one too but very rarely now.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - frazerjp
The early Fiat Tempras had them & the mk 4 Ford orions (90-92) did before they were called 'Escort saloons'.
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Its not what you drive, its how you drive it! :-)
Rear Wiper on Saloons - henry k
Correct me if wrong.Dont recall the orion having rear wiper??.Escort yes..Orion
being booted version of escort!
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Try the red K reg Orion in
tinyurl.com/4bc7y
unless it is a reflection.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - frazerjp
Its definetly a rear wiper on the back there henry!
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Its not what you drive, its how you drive it! :-)
Rear Wiper on Saloons - SjB {P}
SWMBO's 306 Sedan has a rar wiper, too.
Most useful when needing to reverse the car after it has been parked in heavy rain. Aerodynamics then have nothing to do with this sensible piece of equipment!
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Altea Ego
Wipers on rear screens are there to get DIRT off the window and it is all a matter of aerodynamics not the slope of the window.

Estates and hatchbacks get them becuase the screen is near the rear of the car. A low pressure area builds up behind a car and sucks the mud and dirt into the area and deposits it on the rear of the car and screen. Hence a wiper is there to CLEAN the dirt and provide visibility where there would be none after a short time.

Saloons have the low pressure area some way behind the rear screen and hence dont need them
Rear Wiper on Saloons - cheddar
Hi RF,

Saloons have the low pressure area below the lip of the boot lid (see my post above) however so do hatch backs such as a Mondeo and they have wipers.

Therefore no logical reason why saloons do not have wipers.


Regards.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Dynamic Dave
Correct me if wrong.Dont recall the orion having rear wiper?


After some googling, x10.autoturg.ee/auto24/560/1574031.jpg

Rear Wiper on Saloons - Imagos
See if you can find piccy of a Mondeo with one, I couldn't.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - PhilW
"Wipers on rear screens are there to get DIRT off the window"
Neither my old BXs or my Xantias ever got dirt on the back window when driving yet all had rear wipers. In fact, I seem to remember some old advertising blurb for the BX which said that the rear was designed so that dirt was not dragged up to rear window. Wipers still very useful on wet dark mornings when reversing though.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - henry k
See if you can find piccy of a Mondeo with one,
I couldn't.

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Not the best views but see
www.fordmondeo.org/ubbthreads/attachments/462885-2...G
or
tinyurl.com/45nq9
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Civic8
I dont recall english version of Orion having rear wipe.Is what I should have said..
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Steve
Rear Wiper on Saloons - PhilW
"See if you can find piccy of a Mondeo with one, I couldn't"

Ha!!:)
www.suneil.net/Mondeo%20Taillights.JPG
www.atuningc.com/imgs/Leribay03/MVC-008F.JPG

Not exactly standard though!!
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Imagos
no no no!!! I meant a saloon.. 9/10 for effort though!
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Dynamic Dave
I dont recall english version of Orion having rear wipe.Is what I should have said..


Steve,

They did, it's just that when I googled I only found that foreign example. Someone further up the thread found an example of the autotrader website, albeit a smaller picture.

I can remember pulling up at the lights behind an Orion one day and thinking "how odd, that saloon has a rear wiper. Not seen one of those on a saloon before". I don't *think* it was a Ford standard fitment thoughout the range though - more than likely an optional extra.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - henry k
>> I dont recall english version of Orion having rear wipe.Is
what I should have said..
Steve,
They did, it's just that when I googled I only found
that foreign example. Someone further up the thread found an example
of the autotrader website, albeit a smaller picture.
I can remember pulling up at the lights behind an Orion
one day and thinking "how odd, that saloon has a rear
wiper. Not seen one of those on a saloon before". I
don't *think* it was a Ford standard fitment thoughout the range
though - more than likely an optional extra.

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OK then try this. A better clearer photo of a British one
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...1
Rear Wiper on Saloons - blue_haddock
It was only on the top spec version of the very late Orion but at the end of it's life it was rebadged as escort saloon
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Mondaywoe
My C5 hatchback (2001 build)doesn't have a wiper, yet from about 2003 Citroen seem to have started fitting them. The story goes that Cit wanted to make the C5 look like a 'booted' car, apparently to appeal to a more upmarket clientele so dispensed with a rear wiper.

In normal driving it's not a problem but if you are parked nose first into a car park and want to reverse out in pouring rain it's not much fun! I've tried Rainex - wasn't especially impressed.

Graeme
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Ben79
Graeme,

From 2003 the wiper was an option on the VTR model, from 2005 option on all models.

I don't miss my wiper. Rain-X does the trick.
Rear Wiper on Saloons - Civic8
>>Rain-X does the trick.

Not found it any good on rear screen..Front/side windows works a treat.Must be the aerodynamics of your car
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Steve
Rear Wiper on Saloons - keo-the-dog
my next door neighbour had an orion with rear wiper and it was only a gl, cant remember the year of reg think it was a D looked strange though especially after local yobbos bent it...cheers...keo.