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hey what can you say there scots .... from a fellow scot...cheers...keo
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Good heavens: common sense prevails in a motoring issue. It must be spring.
I scraped the NW corner of the London zone a couple of years ago. I was fined. My inclination to go to central London -- by any means of transport -- was severely reduced by that experience, and I think I've been just once since, in contrast with previous habits. That's not the whole story, but it is a significant part of it, and I'm only 25 miles to the north.
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My mother was half-Scottish so I can understand exactly why the referendum was lost (apart from two fingers up to power hungry bureaucrats)...:-)
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Congestion charging economics as published by politicians are produced by morons for morons imo.
The sums assume they are going to cut congestion only a little - typically 10-20% - and economics done accorsingly. When they are wildly successful with 30% cuts the economics fall apart.
£2 per car : raise £760 million - presumably after all running costs - over 5 years say?
Work it out..remember the profit on the £2 is likely to be 40p at best. Need an awful lot of cars to raise £760 million net of costs...(economic illiteracy - typical of the Scots.see new Parliament building ..)
Same as London.
The Local Council muppets here (Staffs Moorlands) did the same with car parking charges on the grounds of recovering all their car parking losses. The resulting losses are now higher and the number of people shopping locally has fallen. What a surprise..
We voted against but the muppets knew best..
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I was watching a discussion on this on the BBC at around 8:30 a.m. today and was puzzled where the traffic was. Especially as they were stood in what was proposed to be the inner charging zone. And I am not talking about free flowing traffic, it was non-existent!
A vote for common sense no doubt. I just pray we will be allowed the same vote when it is Manchester's turn. There has already been rumblings that it could be coming.
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I am an Edinburgh residentand I voted against. No idea where your non-existent traffic was at 08:30, most main roads are clogged then, but there are numerous roadworks on in the centre so traffic may have been blocked.
The bumpf that came with the forms told us that once the money was in from the tolls it would be spent on improved public transport, bus ways, trams etc. What business woud try to get away with increasing prices so that in the future you will get better service. If Sainsbury's raised prices to improve the store we go and shop at Tesco's or ASDA.
Anyone know why public transport planners like trams so much? If they want to use electric vehicles to reduce local pollution why not use trolley buses no need then to dig up the road to lay rails, no rail tracks in the middle of the road which are lethal for bikes. Manchester had them years ago.
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>>Manchester had them years ago.>>
Manchester's Metro trams system is superb and although large sections are on major roadways, others are provided on special motorway flyovers or on normal railway track sections.
There's also the important benefit that the trams usually have a clear, fast route ahead, whereas trolly buses would be held up in traffic.
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Much of the Blackpool-Fleetwood tram system is also run over dedicated sections, thus keeping the trams and traffic well apart.
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But in Edinburgh they want to run the trams down the streets! They will still get caught in the traffic.
My memories of the Manchester trolley buses date from about the 1960's. I know and have used the newer Metro, it blocks up the city centre roads and during construction the roads were blocked for ages.
Mark
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>>>I was watching a discussion on this on the BBC at around 8:30 >>>a.m. today and was puzzled where the traffic was. Especially >>>as they were stood in what was proposed to be the inner >>>charging zone. And I am not talking about free flowing >>>traffic, it was non-existent!
Reporter wasn't standing in Downing Street was he?! ;-)
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It really is just a matter of time before all major cities have CC.
The various City Godfathers will have learnt the lesson of Edinburgh and will simply impose the scheme.
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