I take back my previous comment about the "Azure" run out model. I've just done a quick search on Ebay and found one that bid all the way to £5,100!, much more than the various Cosworths and XR4is. See link :
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...1
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I take back my previous comment about the "Azure" run out model. I've just done a quick search on Ebay and found one that bid all the way to £5,100!, much more than the various Cosworths and XR4is. See link :
Always look at the Bids, jumped from £176 to 5 grand
warlord305 (private) Not a registered user £5,000.00 04-Dec-04 10:30:36 GMT
classicsgreencat ( 64) £176.00 04-Dec-04 10:30:05 GMT
Then 5100 another not reg'd user. So would say theres something very wrong there hehe
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Just to mention Cosworths or sierra..in whatever shape are only worth what the buyer thinks its worth..Their mistake if not worth anything..would suggest Cosworth cost plenty to keep running A/ok.always was.IS..I dont see 12k being a still running engine..It is a hard revving engine that fords cannot replicate.or couldn`t??
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the "performance" engines that cosworth used were based on what is now a near 40 year old design in the pinto (albeit different in a fair few ways it's stil the same basic casting, just that everything has been looked at in more detail) and another which is not that much younger in the cologne (for the 24V version fitted to the granada)
and while the XR and RS cars in the beginning were there to stand out form the crowd, the later XR4x4's and cosworths were meant to be sleepers, the ultimate Q cars of their day
the other thing that ford got right and vauxhall (their main competitors at the time) was their 4wd system. forget audi for the moment. the sierra had a little bit of give in their drivetrain to accomodate lots of things like tyre wear and going round corners, all based on the fact that they sent drive to the front wheels when the rears started to slip, where as the vauxhall had a gearbox that sent power to the rears when the fronts started to slip but couldn't cope with you putting on a new tyre with 3 old ones because the box would go bang. being mechanicaly and electronicly driven rather than having a viscous system in it meant it was the downfall of their "4wd turbo" versions of the caliver and calibra's
which is also why you can pick them up for peanuts now while the cosowrth still ratins it's price tag, have a look in any mag and you will see the good ones going for good money
a bad cossie will be hard to shift unless you are looking for a car to break, in which case you will find that the specialist breakers will have snapped it up long before hand
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I do hope we get some punters along in a minute looking for answers about Sierras, goodness knwos they'll find some information here.
Its such a good idea that I might see if I can get HJ to be rude about a couple more cars to see if we can get threads for them going as well.
Mark.
p.s. you *do* know that was a joke, right ?
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Its such a good idea that I might see if I can get HJ to be rude about a couple more cars to see if we can get threads for them going as well. Mark. p.s. you *do* know that was a joke, right ?
PMSL, just wait till the Mk1 Fiesta/Mk3/4 Escort boys find there Car by Car Break down Mark and god help you when the RS Turbo boys read "RS 1600 Turbo" there hit the roof, not much love lost between a Escort S1 Turbo owner and a RS1600i owner hehe
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Strange as my local breakers. Wont touch em..good or bad..reliability was the biggest prob with them.To be Honest dont really care whether you got a bargain or not..I do not for one minute think you have a runner at 12500 miles. on that age??
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everyone needs to be there for 8.30 who are running on the rollers
the rest of you can pop along as and when throughout the day to see what all the fuss is about :)
i don't know exactly how long the day will last until later on, but as soon as i do, i'll let you know
as for the XR8 question, they only made a limited run of them which is why they fetch good money, one of our members has one but i don't know off the top of the head which one
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>>one of our members has one
Out of interest;
1) how many members do you have ?
2) How many Sierras are there left in the country ?
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Out of interest;
1) how many members do you have ? 2) How many Sierras are there left in the country ?
I'll have a stab at the number left:
Sierra Total = 219,387
Mk1 Cosworth = 864
Mk2 Cosworth = 4,511
Mk2 2.9 XR4X4 = 4,131
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Now that must be the most accurate stab ever!
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Out of interest; >> 1) how many members do you have ? >> 2) How many Sierras are there left in the country ? >> I'll have a stab at the number left: Sierra Total = 219,387 Mk1 Cosworth = 864 Mk2 Cosworth = 4,511 Mk2 2.9 XR4X4 = 4,131
Charles, what about your personal favorite, the XR4i - how many of those are left, and is your old one still going strong :)
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Mk1's Total = 27,233
XR4i Total = 1,886
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Is there a web based system for finding out how many models of a make are still around ?
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there were a lot more than that number, i can asure you :)
i seem to recall that there were around 11,000 saph's built and close to 6,000 3 doors
as for members, i couldn't say without looking at the list, but the last membership number was (i think) 2,300 but you have to remember that not all the members with numbers have renewed yet
more details when the memebrship numbers get crunched in january
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2) How many Sierras are there left in the country ?
3) How many parts got donated to AC Cobra kit cars?
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Hello
How many mk1 sierra standard models are there left in the country.
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I've started noticing them a bit now since this thread opened. In fact the previous Office cav got sold (via Tesco noticeboard) to a Sierra owner whose car had become to rusty.
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>> 2) How many Sierras are there left in the country ? 3) How many parts got donated to AC Cobra kit cars?
2) Can't be that many - my ex-pat father, who is hopelessly out of date with used car values, asked me a few months ago to "look out for a late-model Sierra for about £1500". I'm still kicking myself for telling him they had all gone to the great srapyard in the sky, instead of making a few quid for myself!
3) Oh, is that where they all went, then?
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dojj. they made rover 828 turbo similar weight.to correct twin turbo.If I remember correctly rover 828 was faster than cosworth..rare to find anywhere..cosworth in all respects has past its sell by date..IIRC xr8 failed on block failure.ie twisted.please correct if wrong..>>
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Hello.
Must have missed my post.
How many mk1 standard models are left.
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Three years ago son No.2 left behind a '92 1.8 Sapphire (125K miles) when he went to work abroad. I gave him £500 whilst deciding what to do with it. (I've got an MX5 and a SAAB 900). When I checked in the price guide it worked out he should have given me the car and £200. The thing has only misbehaved once - when the progression jet got blocked - I blew it clean with my footpump and was underway in 40 minutes. It's now passed 170K and every MoT with no retests. The only non-wearing part I've replaced was the thermostat. It's not as nice to drive as the Cortina 1600E I wish I still had but apart from that it owes me nothing. Last year son No.1 saw an '89 Sapphire similar to mine on eBay. It was advertised as in showroom condition with less than 9K on the clock. It still had the dealer's floor protectors in the passenger footwells. It was also Diamondbrited and Zeibarted, with 4 new Pirellis fitted as the owner was worried about the age of the originals! Amazingly there were no other bidders - too good to be true? It wasn't. We took the chance, bearing mind HJ's advice about under-used cars. However the 9K was evenly spread over its 14 years all obviously in the dry! Since then it has done another 15K with not a thing going wrong. It almost seems a shame to use it, but son No.1 is almost as fastidious as the previous owner - oil change every 4000 miles. Oh yes - it cost £1750.
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They do seem to wear well. I was behind a k plater today which I happen to know was a locally used unmarked Police car in the early 90s. It looked as tidy as anything esle on the road.
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No one been back to give you some rolling road figures from Saturday then.
My Standard Engined XR4i 4x4 2.8 made 165BHP and knocked out 173lbs/ft torque, no bad for a 21yr old motor.
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Hello.
Just thought i would wake this thread up.
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You still see a few Sierras here and there, but like the Mk2 Cavalier or the Mk3 Escort, they have disappeared from our roads in great numbers over the last five years or so.
It's a shame because I basically grew up in the back seat of a Sierra (not literally you understand, so please don't report my parents to the NSPCC) as my dad had 3 in a row as company cars. The first arrived on August 1, 1983 when I was six, the first A-plate car in our street. Diamond white 1600L as I recall. The thing did something like 150,000 miles in 3 years and was horrendously unreliable in the first couple of months - carb problems I think that left us stranded several times in Cornwall while we were on holiday. Mind you, overall my dad liked it, but possibly only because it replaced an Austin Princess 1700 with vinyl seats and no power steering (the Sierra had it licked in every respect save for interior space).
Then that was replaced by an 86C 1600L in red, the facelift model with a sunroof and a radio cassette - this was heady stuff in those days. As it had 4 speakers you got Ford's great little 'joystick' to control speaker fade...whatever happened to that? I thought it was an ingenious little contraption. Then a promotion about six months later got him an 85C 1800GL, mmm velour seats and a nice little black plastic panel between the taillights, but that was about it over the L model apart from a 5-speed gearbox. Us kids didn't appreciate the extra economy as in those days BP were doing a token scheme for every gallon of 4 star that could be exchanged for Corgi Juniors models. More economy meant less toy cars. Not fair.
Each one of these cars did in excess of 100,000 miles driven hard, and apart from the first one's engine problems and the GL refusing to start on the day my old man left his job in '88 (it had to be towed to the office behind my mum's Lada Riva - the indignity of it all) they weren't bad cars at all, for the time. We then got a last-of-the-line (summer of '88) Cavalier Mk2 1.8iGL which seemed like a revelation in comparison, performance, handling and engine refinement-wise. Less space in it though. Then of course six months later the Mk3 Cav came out and all the reps dumped their Sierras like hot potatoes in favour of white Cavalier 2.0i GLs.
One postscript to the story is that in '96 my dad somehow acquired another Sierra as a company car (long story), a 40k-from-new 91H 2.0LX with the twincam engine. As I now had a licence I drove this specimen on many occassions and it didn't seem like a bad old workhorse at all, except for engine refinement (regardless of what they did to the Pinto engine it always sounded like a bag of spanners), extreme interior heat in the summer (due to the glass area) and an alarming propensity to aquaplane. Still, in two years it went from 40k to 110k without needing a new clutch or exhaust, it seemed pretty fast to me (but what did I know then, I was driving a 1400cc Volvo 340) and had a sweet gearchange. Oh, and it would regularly get 40mpg thanks to long stints on the M3 and that tall 5th gear.
They say you always have a soft spot for the cars your parents had, so one day (before they've all gone for good) I'll be looking on eBay for a Mk1, preferably a pre-facelift 1600L (although a 2.3 Ghia wouldn't go amiss, I like fake wood). I know it will be horrible to drive by modern standards but I'll still enjoy it.
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any sierra enthusiasts, have you seen the Mk1 2.0i GLS for sale on Ebay at the moment
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...W
I remember seeing one of these as a child about 10 years ago, and never since.
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