What's in this product then and how does it work?
How come it's not been subjected to the usual jeers of "Snake Oil !!!!"
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Injector cleaner, cetane booster and lubricant.
It doesn't claim to overcome friction, rewire your ECU or play with the dog. It simply cleans your injectors, increases combustibility of the diesel and lubricates your fuel system (pump etc). Small but noticable improvement when used.
Probably why no snake-oil concerns.
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I have tried this stuff, but stopped after a few tankfuls when i realised it wasn't doing anything.
I personally believe all these additives are snake oil, and any benefit is purely psychological or coincidence.
Not too sure why HJ recommends this stuff as oppose to other additives,they all contain very similar stuff.HJ seems to advise using millers products quite alot though.
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Well it's a lot cheaper than STP diesel injector cleaner for a start.....
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My uncle, a diesel mechanic for the last 30+ years, always adds a healthy dose (about half a litre) of ATF to the tanks of his petrol and diesel cars. He claims that it lubricates the injectors and fuel pump. I can't speak for Millers, but a few of those fuel additives actual do look like ATF and I wouldn't be suprised if it was actually ATF, but in a different bottle and a higher price.
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One sniff of Millers will tell you it sure isn't ATF. It's like the worst smelling diesel pump on the forecourt, only MUCH more acrid and concentrated.
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Alot of the other additives on the shelves are kerosene based, with a few "secret" ingredients. No reason to think millers is any different.
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I dosed Lola the Laguna with this for the 4 tank fulls of Diesel prior to the 18k miles service. Plus a degree of spirited driving and Italian tune up immediately prior to the service
Thought process was that with the oil being changed some of the merde being cleaned out would end up in the old oil being changed.
Cant say I noticed a sparkling difference, but it mde me feel better and I dont spose its done it any harm.
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And don't forget one of the best things you can do to a diesel it give it a good 'Italian Tune-up'. Make sure the engine is warmed up and in good health, correct oil level etc.
Particularly good before an MoT...
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I used a whole bottle in my Pasat TDI, 100ps, and can not say any improvement was noted in performance or economy.
BP Ultimate diesel seems to give a perceived performance improvement, when you want it, but has not shown any benefit re fuel consumption
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I wasna fu but just had plenty.
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Probably not necessary with BP Ultimate diesel, but very helpful with any diesel low in cetane, lubricant or detergent. More at www.millersoils.co.uk HJ
Hi HJ,
Though you rated Shell/Texaco above BP Ultimate?
Regards.
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I have asked about Millars in a few accessory shops, but none of them stocked it. SWMBO's Saxo had to make do with Wynn's injector cleaner plus an italian tune up before the last two MoT's, and both times the testers commented on how clean the emmissions were for a car of that milage. (Currently approaching 80k)
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If you go to the Millers site (link above in HJ's post) there's a link to locate a local stockist.
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Frost sell Millers DPP for £7.00. I use it when I don't have any Shell Extra Diesel in the tank.
www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=8181
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I've used Millers in several cars, and the difference it makes does vary markedly with the car you put it in.
Xantia 1.9TD - didn't improve fuel economy, made it run a bit smoother, didn't do much for the responsiveness.
C5 2.2 HDi - waste of time putting it in - did nothing.
Mondeo 2.0TDCi - 3 shots in a full tank of Shell Diesel Extra gives an extra 3 MPG, makes it run smoother and pull a bit harder. It also allows the use of 5th gear at 40MPH without labouring, something which is not usually possible on a TDCi with the 5 speed box. Its not placebo - I can genuinely tell when there's none in there.
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Anyone any idea about what it is about different engines that makes them respond differently to Millers?
(& btw, is an Italian tune up something that is really only necessary for diesels?)
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Italian tune up is good for all cars, although I suspect with modern ECUs, it's less necessary for petrols now.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
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Anyone any idea about what it is about different engines that makes them respond differently to Millers?
Possibly not so much the different engines, but with the quality of the fuel you've been using. Engines which have been running on cheaper fuels which lack some of the additives of the premium brands may show greater benifit from Millars.
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That would make sense, Tom - but it's certainly not the impression Quinny100 gave.
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I've been using Millers Diesel power plus for a while, I cant say I have noticed any difference apart from it cleaning up the smoke a little, which in my mind makes it worth the price.
I was doing some research on the Cetane number of diesel recently on this 'ere interweb and came across some interesting material (I'll be blown if I can find it now though!) about the bacteria tat can build up in diesel with the addition of some cetane improvers, namely Alkyl nitrate. Now looking on the bottle of Millers, this seems to be in the ingrediants. Im not sure how true it is, but it seems prudent to say that if you use Millers but do a low mileage, eg you have the same fuel in your tank for a long time, stop using the Millers as it could (I have no proof that it can) assist in the build up of this bacterial 'slime'.
Comments??!
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I would consider buying it if it had the ingredients listed on the side, but I'm just not into 'secret ingredients' and 'magic potions'
Probably 5 pence worth of ...
Kerosene, propanol, OLOA
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The only thing that has ever made a noticeable difference to mine is BP diesel plus. It was much smoother and peppy - specially at low revs.
Not prepared to pay the big differential to keep using it tho, so its still cheapo cheapo stuff for me.
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Used Millers a few times on my previous Scenic but no noticeable difference to economy or performance.
On my new Scenic, due to the integrated fuel flap I would find it very difficult to actually pour the Millers in!
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BobbyG
Would be interested on your thoughts if you gave it a tank of BP Diesel Plus.
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RF, what is the average price differential for it?
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It was about 3p/l extra on the M6 services. Dont make a habit of it!
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60 litres, £1.80 a tank extra?
What did you get in return?
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another alternative is "FERROCNE" @<.8 millltrs per Ltr - used in model aircraft engines.
K2
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... is what I think it is called, it has been highly recomended on these forums, where can I get it, the local Halfords does not stock it?
Any views on similar products by Wynns and Redex?
Thanks.
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Several of the smaller independent motor stores around me sell it, they are generally 'A1 motor stores' or 'Autopoint', a look in the yellow pages and a phonecall should locate some. It costs about £7 to £8
Ian
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There was a recent thread on Millers and someone posted a link to their website. They provide a list of stockists in your area, which is how I found a little out of the way accessory shop where I could get some.
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Hi, Thanks for the replies, I found it this am in a local independant, £7.65.
Regards.
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So when can we buy on-line? Millers ignore e-mail questions, I've been a user since 1987 of Diesel plus and their oils. Used to be able to order by phone, can't do that anymore, want to order on-line..... Anyone any the wiser?
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Hi adrian6. I was going to ask if anyone has used the oil. Pressume it is ok as you have used it for a while. I used the online form to ask where nearest stockist is..When you check for this using postcode. My nearest is 10 miles away/or 16. will await reply..
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I used their oil for many years in my BX diesels (mineral) and wife's Xantia Td and HDi (semi, then fully synth), changing every 5k miles. Seemed to be good stuff but then you wouldn't expect probs changed at that interval would you? Used to buy it because it was significantly cheaper than Castrol/Shell/Esso etc from my local factors - but, despite being still listed on Millers site, it closed down 3 or 4 years ago - next nearest stockist is about 15 miles away!
Now use French supermarket own brand (Auchan) at £6.50 for 5 litres semi synth, £12 fully synth or look for their special offers on Total or Elf (about half the price of same stuff here).
Don't make a special trip of course but buy on the twice yearly weekend break/booze cruise.
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Try Motorists Discount Centre. From a previous discussion it was said that they sold Millers Power Plus in 5 Ltr containers. Tel: 01202-475126, MDC, 5aStanpit, Purewell, Christchurch Dorset, BH23 3IR (I think but the label on the box it was posted in is tiny!!) I purchased 5Ltrs at approx £38.50 & 2x 5Ltrs of Millers 5/40W Synthetic oil. The dosage is not on the plastic container & is a pain to measure (perhaps that is the idea?) The chap will ring you back & take card information. It came within a few days...wonder if the carrier knew what he was carrying to the Isle of Wight?
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Hi HJ,
Seem to remember you saying Shell and Texaco diesel have the highest cetane content (raising cetane levels in one claim for Millers), my Mondeo TDCi 130 runs marginaly better on Shell and Texaco though I use BP Ultimate because I have a local BP station and collect Nectar points. RF mentions BP Diesel Plus, I assume this is the old name for BP's premium diesel.
Regards.
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I bought Millers Diesel Plus yesterday from my local autoparts. However, will now need to buy a funnel from somewhere or use some sort of hose to try and get the stuff into my petrol tank. It would have been so much easier if they had made the bottle with a "spout" or something on it.
This is to use in my Saxo, still trying to work out how I will get it past the Scenic's built in fuel cap!
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This is to use in my Saxo, still trying to work out how I will get it past the Scenic's built in fuel cap!
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Put the Millers in an old washing-up bottle with a small length of windscreen washer hose attached. Hold the built-in fuel cap open with a biro or similar and shoot the magic potion in.
I would like to add my experience of Millers, maybe of interest to others. About two years ago I was driving a Rover 75 diesel for a while. On one occasion I filled up with diesel (can't remember what brand) and I had what I suspect was a bad tankful. The car was down on power and rougher at tickover. I almost took it in to the dealer for investigation. A friend suggested Millers so I bought a bottle and put it in. Made a big difference in this case.
Now whether it's worth using regularly with a perfect running diesel I don't know. But it solved the problems in this case.
On another issue, if you've got a 75 diesel, it's worth getting Rover to upgrade the power by fiddling with the electronics - or whatever they do. Don't forget to tell your insurance though.
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RF mentions BP Diesel Plus
A memory lapse on my part
Its BP Ultimate Diesel
subsites.bp.com/ultimate/uk/diesel/default.asp
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Its BP Ultimate Diesel
Hi RF, I use BP Ultimate out of convienience though reckon Shell and Texaco are slightly better. Used to get Shell Optimax petrol from Trident in Ottershaw, I expect you know it well.
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Been running BP Ultimate with Millers added for a couple of weeks, can't say I have noticed any difference yet.
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Yup
Still a Rover dealer. Expensive diesel/petrol there tho, only use it if I cant make it as far as Tesco at Brooklands or Addlestone.
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Still a Rover dealer. Expensive diesel/petrol there tho, only use it if I cant make it as far as Tesco at Brooklands or Addlestone.
Wife used to fill her Clio up (1.6 petrol) at Tesco's at Brooklands, often had a problem idling, the Renault dealer suggested the idle control valve needed replacing, not cheap, since moving west our local is a BP station, no problem since using BP petrol, 95ron not Ultimate.
Supports HJ's claims about supermarket petrol being inferior, their diesel have lower Cetane levels etc.
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Can only go by my own experiences Cheddar.
The clio is happy on Tesco regular. The goona is happy on supermarket diesel. I have tried all the other brands in the goona and none made a jot of difference to the feel or mpg except the BP stuff. The fact that it was almost imediately noticeable was remarkable.
Wont use it tho - too dear.
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Had two company cars, both Vectra's a 2ltr 16v and a 2.5 V6, both were more economical on Shell Optimax to the extent that it paid for itself.
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Had there been the slightest rise in MPG I would have jumped at it convincing myself it would pay for itself. Alas
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Agree re MPG on diesels, the Mondeo is know more economical on BP Ultimate etc however I feel it is just that little bit crisper so will pay the extra for Ultimate, Shell or Tesco relative to other branded fuels.
Will not use Tesco etc out of choice beacuse of what I have read relating to the low lubricity of supermarket diesel potentially effecting the fuel pump and injectors.
Regards.
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While this may not be of interest to you, some Tesco filling stations now sell diesel which is 5% biodiesel. I imagine that this would improve the lubricity compared to their regular stuff by some margin.
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Matthew Kelly
No, not that one.
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While this may not be of interest to you, some Tesco filling stations now sell diesel which is 5% biodiesel. I imagine that this would improve the lubricity compared to their regular stuff by some margin.
Do they name this diesel something else? Is it labelled differently.
I would have thought they would - for marketing purposes if not anything else.
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