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£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
The Fiesta is going. 19 yo daughter has following requirements:

Not Red
Aircon
Power Steering
1.4 or below (to keep ins down)
Not too small (i.e. not Ka size)
Pref 5 door (but 3 would do)
Not the same as her mates have (206, Fiesta, Clio, Corsa)

She quite fancies a Seat Ibiza, c2000 - 2001 seems about the mark.

Anyone have any thoughts on the Ibiza, or any better suggestions please?

£3500 to spend on daughters car - daveyK_UK
hyundai amica 2001

get a low mileage brilliant one for that price range
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Dynamic Dave
hyundai amica 2001
get a low mileage brilliant one for that price range


For someone that spends a lot of time complaining about Hyundai's, I'm surprised you said that.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Truckosaurus
My sister has had a T-reg Ibiza 1.4 for a couple of years now. It is a nice little motor.

Also czech* out the Skoda Fabia.

* Sorry.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Altea Ego
Skoda? Ok its a good car but has absolutly NO 19 year old teenage girly street cred of any kind whatsoever.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - blue_haddock
I'd rather have the skoda than a rollerskate - sorry Hyundai amica!

Joking aside i'd say that the amica is a bit on the small side compared to things like the fabia and ibiza. How about a Yaris or a punto - loads of both available for that kind of money
£3500 to spend on daughters car - paulvm
Seat Ibiza is good choice, try and find 1.4 engine. Cheap to run, plenty of room and street cred. Do NOT go for Punto, personal experience of both Punto and Ibiza means there is no contest here.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - PhilDews
Girly car, bit of street cred, relatively cheap to fix when it goes wrong - Peugeot 206? Should get a high-ish mileage 1999 T/V for your budget, from what I'v seen in autotrader. Was talking to a girl in the DVLA office in Leeds who was re-registering a 1999V 206 that had been bought at auction for about £2,750.

Having had one of these, they aren't bad to drive, just the pedals are too close together for my size 11s'. Or failing a 206, how about a 306, even the 1.4 LX is a nice little car. I p/exd mine back in May last year for £4.5 which was a 2000/X with 55,000 on the clock.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - NowWheels
Has she considered a Yaris?

Economical to run, nice to drive, plenty of girly cred. Only real probs IMO are a small boot, and back seat not v comfortable (seat squab v short).
£3500 to spend on daughters car - carl_a
I'm with NoWheels, a Yaris is the car (but I can't see you getting one with aircon for £3500).
£3500 to spend on daughters car - henry k
Has she considered a Yaris?
Economical to run, nice to drive, plenty of girly cred. Only
real probs IMO are a small boot, and back seat not
v comfortable (seat squab v short).

>>
Plus a fantastic number of storage cubby holes up front
Check out the special editions as IIRC several had A/C.
The back seat does slide forward to give a larger boot.
My daughter has a V reg,1.3 CDX, one of the earliest 1.3s and I like it. The speedo is unusual but most drivers get to like it. If you get one then get a spare bulb kit cos some bulbs are not available in filling stations.

I wish my 98 Mondeo had as much storage space as the Yaris. I consider the Mondeo is awful in this respect. OTT on speakers and styling. It has about the worse cup holder I can imagine and only the dash in front of the passenger to rest anything on.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - PhilDews
okay - scrub the 206, just reread your message. Still stands about the 306 though - twin airbags + side airbags as std on the LX, nippy-ish and cheap to run. Service every 20K from memory.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
Thanks so far. A quick glance thru online Autotrader shows

There seem to be v few 306s with smaller engines in the price range.

Hyundai - I wasn't even aware of these, but worth considering (but looks a bit small and 1.0 engine might not be enough). Will show her one.

Yaris - I hadn't even thought of that, I thought it was a retired person's car (and maybe she will too!)But I know they are well thought of here.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - El Hacko
"...thought it was a retired person's car (and maybe she will too!).."
interesting perception there of the Yaris (and maybe Toyota) image.
perhaps it's time Toyota added "sexy" to its "reliability" tag.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - blue_haddock
I sell toyota's for a living and i will freely admit that the average age of our customers is probably 50 something.

My record highest age so far is 87, what car did he have?
Thats right you've guessed it a Celica T-Sport!!!!!!
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Mark (RLBS)
>>My record highest age so far is 87, what car did he have? thats right you've guessed it a Celica T-Sport!!!!!!

Oh, so you've met Tomo then ? (Algernon). If it was indeed him he probably left the premises at some rate of knots as well.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - blue_haddock
don't think so - this chap could hardly walk and i don't think his eyesight was exactly 20:20. He could barely get out of the bleeding thing!
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Mark (RLBS)
No, that doesn't sound like Tomo.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Sprice
You gotta consider the girls age, she wont want to be seen dead in a hyundai amica, lets be honest here!!! Ibiza sounds a good choice, for the money youre on about, you could get a Leon on ebay too!
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Sprice
Heres one leon for starters!

cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...1
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
She just popped in, and sprice was right - the hynudai doesn't do it for her.

I like Leons but they are mostly a bit more expensive, and are probably larger than she wants. (The eBay one has 6 days to go - it also has fairly high miles).

She said a Yaris might be interesting. I wondered about Focii too, but again they are a bit bigger than she wants/needs and the choice at that price is somewhat limited.



£3500 to spend on daughters car - PoloGirl
Well I'll do the predictable thing first and suggest the VW Polo. For that money you should be able to get the Mk4 (think that's right - the shape that comes after mine, with the dinky little grill, before they went all big and nasty). They take a slap, hold their value and are lovely. :)

Was also going to suggest the Fabia. That Skoda prejudice isn't held among younger people, and most people must know by now that they're just VWs in different coats! That said, the insides are very dated and if your daughter is anything like me, that WILL matter!

The Yaris is lovely - I know loads of people my age with them and can't fault them. Not sure if you'd get a nice one for your budget though.

What about the Getz? Is that too small? How about your £3500 goes on the deposit and daughter works to make the monthly payments... thus actually working for the car instead of having it given to her?

£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
What about the Getz? Is that too small? How about your
£3500 goes on the deposit and daughter works to make the
monthly payments... thus actually working for the car instead of having
it given to her?


Well said No Wheels. I wondered when someone was going to make such a comment. It seems otherwise to be a case of she wouldn't be seen dead in one of these, or one of those. Phrases like 'beggars can't be choosers' come to mind. If I had been given a car at 19 (any car), I would have been eternally grateful.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
I think PoloGirl might take offence at being called NoWheels! And NoWheels may be offended too!

Just checked Autotrader and as I suspect, Polos look a bit pricey (well, a bit old for the same money). Given that VWs reputation isn't what it was, I am dubious that the premium is worthwhile.

Getzs look nice to me but are way over budget.

She does not want to spend more than £3500 (or thereabouts) in total on a car - so the deposit idea won't fly. (That's my preaching about letting someone else carry the heavy depreciation that's sunk home!)





btw I don't recall saying anyone was GIVING her a car, or the money to buy one. Neither has she said she wouldn't be seen dead in any particular car, she has just expressed some preferences/requirements. The Fiesta was given to her and has lasted her well for a couple of years. She is using her own money (yes, 19 year olds can have money) to buy this. So we don't need stray off onto that old one again, do we?
£3500 to spend on daughters car - PoloGirl
btw I don't recall saying anyone was GIVING her a car,
or the money to buy one. Neither has she said she
wouldn't be seen dead in any particular car, she has just
expressed some preferences/requirements. The Fiesta was given to her and has
lasted her well for a couple of years. She is using
her own money (yes, 19 year olds can have money) to
buy this. So we don't need stray off onto that old
one again, do we?

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No you're absolutely right, you didn't say you were giving her this car. My apologies.

Now... whoever called me NoWheels, I'll expect an email requesting my address to send the flowers and written apology to!

£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
Written apology by all means PoloGirl - don't know about the flowers though. All I can say is that I am very sorry for the error - advancing years and all that.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
Also apologies for assuming the money was coming from Dad. My only defence (and not a very good one at that) is that it did seem that way from the initial post headline. It appears that PoloGirl made the same error.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - MichaelR
Rightyo.

Small cars are bad. When they get to this sort of price you pay a lot of money for not much car, and it's usually pretty old. Small cars with aircon for £3.5k are rare.

Take advantage of depreciation and get something more substantial, more comfortable, and crucially, safer.

Why not consider a Citroen Xsara 1.9TD or 2.0 HDi SX?

It's not a big car so parking isn't a problem but it isn't a small car either. It's comfortable, reasonably safe, and has a great specification list including full electrics, rain sensing wipers, climate control air conditioning, a CD changer, remote locking etc.

Insurance is reasonable, and the excellent turbodiesel engines mean you get the power of a proper car and the fuel costs of a small car.

My first car was a Citroen Xantia. It was great and I'd not buy a Fiesta if it was the last car on earth :)
£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
I would agree with you, but you are talking about a Citroen here and they don't tend to go down very well in this forum (as they are totally unreliable you see).

We will see how your suggestion goes though.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Sofa Spud
Or a late VW Golf Mk3 I.9 TDI? A bit dated perhaps but very economical (easily makes up for not coming in the sub-1.4 litre tax bracket). A solid bit of motorcar that should last well and age gracefully. Spares can be costly though.

Cheers, SS
£3500 to spend on daughters car - frostbite
Someone is going to suggest a late MkII Mondeo in a minute.

Well, why not?






Two eyewitness accounts of an accident can make you wonder about history.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - blue_haddock
why not? she has decided that a leon is a little on the large size so a mundaneo is miles too big
£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
Going down in size then, I see that a Citroen Saxo has not been mentioned. Too small, or because it is a Citroen?

Plenty around, cheap and a good drive too.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
Aren't Saxos for the boyz? Dustbin exhausts, blue underneath and all that...

Will add it to the list to look at.

I pondered the Mondeo. Will suggest that too I think.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - MichaelR
Someone is going to suggest a late MkII Mondeo in a
minute.


Ah, my second ever car. Bought a few weeks after I turned 20. Even better than the Xantia, still not that horrific to insure, and still much better than any Fiesta or Lupo or Yaris my friends have.

And at under £3000 for a 4 year old top of the range example, considerably less than the equivilent Yaris, despite costing 3 times as much new.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - NowWheels
I think PoloGirl might take offence at being called NoWheels!
And NoWheels may be offended too!


Well I'm not offended. PoloGirl always seems very nice.

However, if she can wangle a bunch of flowers out of being offended by the comparison, I reckon she should go for it :)
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Avant
Loks like Yaris, Ibiza and Fabia on thr shortlist - she may only get an early 1.0 litre Yaris or early Fabia for £3,500.

My daughter (26) likes the looks of only the Ka and the Yaris - she's had two Kas and now a Yaris. The Ka doesn't feel that small, and it's very good and unstressed on the motorway. She'd get a much newer model for the price - it might be worth her trying one out. Rather like the Mini, it has a classless image and has more street cred than an average supermini.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - henry k
Loks like Yaris, Ibiza and Fabia on thr shortlist - she
may only get an early 1.0 litre Yaris or early Fabia
for £3,500.

I had a quick look on the HJ link to Auto Trader with a £3-4K price and it would appear that getting a Yaris WITH A/C for £3500 might be difficult.

IIRC the CDX has A/C as standard plus sunroof, alloys and CD.
The 1.3 CDX started with V reg so all within price range would be 1.1litre.
Most other models have a TAPE player and its a built in radio.
Re colours, I do not like the gold paint.

The only hit I see is a Blue T reg CDX 87K for £3.7K.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - daveyK_UK
yaris is expensive second hand - by over a grand of true value.
also, spec list is poor.


if you have the extra capital - you can pick up kia picantos for 5 grand now.

great little car, if i was working in the city agian and i need new - their would be no other option.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - carl_a
yaris is expensive second hand - by over a grand of
true value.
also, spec list is poor.


The market demand sets the price, how can you work out the true value of anything.
if you have the extra capital - you can pick up
kia picantos for 5 grand now.


With aircon you can't that almost 6k, but I would agree its better to get a Picanto than a 4-5 year old Yaris(or any other small car).
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
Well thanks to everyone who contributed.

As predicted in my 1st post, we have ended up with a 2000 X Ibiza, 35k, nice nick ,for just under our target price.

It's had a new clutch (old one was "heavy" not knackered apparently) and, oddly, a new cat. Still, I figured that meant it won't need another one soon.

Unless you know different, of course.

Thanks again to all, we had some fun choosing and discarding. The one I fancied sitting on my drive which wasn't mentioned, and I thought about today, was a Chrysler PT Cruiser. Carp, I know, but certainly *different*
£3500 to spend on daughters car - MichaelR
New clutch and a new cat on a 35k mile car. Probably becuase it's spent its entire life being thrashed around town - and still people preach on about low mileage cars being better.

My Xantia, with 162k miles, is still on its original clutch. Ok, only just, but thats a little better than 35k miles.

When will people learn that low mileage isn't neccesarily a good thing, or at least a better thing than average or higher mileage..
£3500 to spend on daughters car - machika
My Xantia, with 162k miles, is still on its original clutch.
Ok, only just, but thats a little better than 35k miles.


An unreliable Citroen still on its original clutch is surely an exception? Perhaps not, as ours is still on its original clutch after more than 10 years of mixed driving.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Buster Cambelt
There was an interesting article along similar lines in the Telegraph a while back. Given 3.5 k to spend it was easier and cheaper to buy a brand new Ka for around the 5k. I know the Ka is not on your list but you may find the same as a cash buyer. In the used market I think the Polo has a lot going for it and I really hate VAG these days!!
£3500 to spend on daughters car - Stuartli
Some versions of the Ka are equipped with A/C.
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£3500 to spend on daughters car - MichaelR
Personally I think you would have to be mad to buy a new Ka for £5k. This is a car which is so basic, even the front windows are manually operated. And you actually suggest spending FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS on a car this dated?

What would you get for your extra £1500? A warranty? Well thats useful, do you really expect your used Ka/Whatever to need £1500 worth of repairs when you've got it, if so might I suggest an alternative choice of car..
£3500 to spend on daughters car - smokie
...and if your top budget is £3.5k then it isn't easy to spend £5k and stay within budget! :-)
£3500 to spend on daughters car - tyro
>>Personally I think you would have to be mad to buy a new Ka for £5k. This is a car which is so basic, even the front windows are manually operated. And you actually suggest spending FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS on a car this dated?

What would you get for your extra £1500?

WELL, for a start, you'd get manually operated windows! Buy a new BMW, and you can't even get manually operated windows as a cost option. Why anyone pays £20,000 and has to put up with electric windows is beyond me.

And you also get a car that is great fun to drive, has a proven reliability record, a clean car with that new-car-smell (OK, we could do without that)and no dubious history - and a warranty.
£3500 to spend on daughters car - DavidHM
Tyro has a point. You also know that it won't be too rusty in your time with it and the depreciation on a £5k car down to £3.5k in three years is extremely low.

In fact it's probably similar to the depreciation over the next three years of its life so if the loss of interest on £1,500 is less than the additional cost of repairs/value of warranty/new car smell/convenience then the new one can be a better buy.

Admittedly if you've not got the cash it's not an option.

I know Michael likes his cars big and luxurious - so do I - and so I'd never consider one for myself but plenty of people just want small, easy to drive, cheap to run and worry free.