if your happy with the car and the price does it matter what others think?
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BH it will if you suffer costs. This motor does suffer probs..I think to own one tells its own story..I wish new owner all the best..Though its rare to get a cheap one that doesn`t.I have in the past stuck up for rover..rapidly changing my mind..Steve
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Thanks for your comments.
I'm going to give it as good a look over as I can before I actually part with the cash.
I'm hoping that it's as good as described, in which case if I got a good price in the first place then I'm okay taking a risk.
Any pointers on what to look out for when checking it out?
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I'm going to give it as good a look over as I can before I actually part with the cash.
If you are ngeescuba then you've already legally bought the car. The time to do the looking over is before you bid. Give the owner the cash, use the car and good luck with it but don't think you've just bid for an appointment to kick the tyres; the car is yours.
Hawkeye
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main thing to check is for signs of HGF - mayonnaise type gunk in the water being the main one.
also have a good look under the car just in case on the off chance that it has been used off road.
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If you are ngeescuba then you've already legally bought the car
Presuming that the car is as described, you're right, there is a contract. Bearing in mind that subjective terms such as "nice" or "well maintained" will be interpreted by the Court so as to give the seller the benefit of the doubt.
Unless it was wholly unreasonable to use the term, given the seller's actual and constructive knowledge, it would probably either be considered that the seller had complied with the contract, or the term would simply be severed as insufficiently precise.
However should the Freelander turn out to be a complete dog with HGF and a hole in the floor then "good condition" would probably be interpreted against the seller, albeit if the seller were a genuinely clueless private person they might get away with it.
If, having said that, the car turns out to be different from its description then the seller is already in breach of contract and there is therefore no obligation on the buyer to perform his part of the deal, i.e., to part with funds.
At least with an eBay sale there is no "he said, no I didn't" evidential difficulty should one side wish to withdraw, because it's all recorded in the site entry.
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If you are ngeescuba then you've already legally bought the car
Actually, I do not believe that anyone has yet challenged this in law. Last time I checked the ebay Ts&Cs they were very careful not to use the word 'auction' in the legal sense.
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>> If you are ngeescuba then you've already legally bought the car Actually, I do not believe that anyone has yet challenged this in law.
OK maybe I'm out of my depth legally but I can't support this ethos of "I've bid for a car, got a good price and now I'll just see if I want to pay for it or not". The proper time to research what you are going to bid for is before the auction, not after it. The prices you pay for auction stuff reflects the risk element. I understand that the Freelander may not be everyone's cup of tea and that this engine may not be the most robust ever built but that's not the point
I'm debating with myself whether I should send the seller a link to this thread. Maybe someone would like to comment.
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>>I'm debating with myself whether I should send the seller a link to this thread. Maybe someone would like to comment.
I think you should read NickG's words carefully, rather than those attributed to him, and ask if even your question was fair, never mind your suggested action.
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Mark you are right. I have waited for NickG's reply and accept that my suggested action needed reflection.
NickG - I say again good luck with the car.
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Fraid it isnt allways..head crack may leak into water way.Ie cracked head.. if oil pressure is above water pressure may leak into water channel/ possibly causing oil leak into water channel..sorry it is so.several counts where this is a fact..
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Check for oil in water or water in oil ('mayonaise' is the result in both cases). If you spot this then walk away because it is a sign of HGF and the car would not be as described.
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Thank you all for your comments.
With regard to Hawkeyes remarks, I'm not intending to break my "contract to purchase" as long as the car is as it was described.
I do intend to inspect it closely - if there is bodywork or interior damage, or signs of off-road use, then I will reassess accordingly. The sale description made specific reference to the condition of the car, and that it had never been used off road.
Furthermore, I have asked the seller if there is any sign of "gunk" in the water etc, and he responded to the negative. Again, seems fairly quantifiable if it turns out that there is.
I think DavidHM has probably hit the nail on the head with regard to the legal position.
Anyhow, I *think* I've got a pretty good price for this car, and will have to take my chances with it's reliability and longevity.
At least SWMBO is happy, with is worth something!
Out of interest, does anyone know how much this sort of car goes for in a "real" car auction?
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"it had never been used off road."
Tread carefully - the seller says he has never taken it off road, but he's the second owner and conceivably someone else could have taken it off road.
I hope it's a dream car but if you're going to withdraw be sure of your grounds for doing so.
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That car is certainly well below book price as offered with no major faults.
The fact that the chap wouldn't take it off the auction for £6K makes him seem an honest sort, unless this is a deliberate ploy on his part. He seems willing to play by the rules.
All vehicle makes and models have their negatives, I don't think we should get too over exited about the possibility of a known fault existing with this car.
Nick appears to have asked the right questions WRT coolant condition. However, get it checked over after you buy it to give you piece of mind or hear the bad news now rather than where you're completely stranded on holiday etc.
Even so, the low price may well mitigate a major repair anyway.
Good luck
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If the 6K bid was true, why didnt the so called "bidder" actually bid the car up to 6K in the auction before it closed.
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i'd be inclined to run it for six months get the worst of the winter out of it and sell it, but check the water level every other day,
the head gasket can go on thses all day long even twice on some cars. be prepared for a big bill if it does.
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Is HGF in a K engine preventable ?
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>>Is HGF in a K engine preventable ?
It has been known for HGF on cars under warranty-so. As this is the case. I dont think it is preventable..Even on motors that are well looked after. Often wonder why Rover didnt sort the problem out..But that may due to design? and possible cost
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As I understand Rover - or MG Rover tend to apply strict warranty rules - ie turn their backs on the problem, whereas Land Rover (now owned by Ford) accept the problem as a design fault.
As to whether it's preventable of not - regular servicing and checks would be my tonic.
Intrestingly enough I read in a paper recently that Land Rover will not be buying their next generation of engines for this model from Phoenix (Rover).
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Intrestingly enough I read in a paper recently that Land Rover will not be buying their next generation of engines for this model from Phoenix (Rover).
I doubt Ford has any shortage of inhouse engines toi choose from, but even if they had to buy in, can anyone really be sure that Rover will still be making engines in a few years time?
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