Under-cover Police vehicle - Doc
I have seen many "plain clothes" Police cars (lights in the grille, magnetic blue light on roof) but today I saw my first under cover people-carrier!
Grey in colour; seen in Welling, Kent.



Under-cover Police vehicle - pdc {P}
There are a few around Manchester. Seats! (as in manufacturer and not what you sit on!)
Under-cover Police vehicle - Stuartli
The more the merrier - hopefully get rid of a few of the lunatic drivers.
Under-cover Police vehicle - Mark (RLBS)
Amen to that.
Under-cover Police vehicle - SjB {P}
Silver 'original shape' Audi A4 in Buckingham, on an S plate.

Very neat camera installation in the front bumper, leaving nothing on the dash or hanging from the interior roof to draw attention. No extra whip aerial, either.

I only spotted it because I was stationery for a few seconds on my motorbike outside the police station.
Under-cover Police vehicle - mike hannon
When I was in Weymouth town centre this summer I saw a young guy in an inoffensive looking (and sounding) MR2 pulled up by a couple of bobbies in an unmarked BMW 5 series. I don't know the rights and wrongs of what the guy was doing (and he certainly couldn't have been speeding) but it seems to me Dorset Police ought to have something better to spend their money on - and I say that as a former employee...
Under-cover Police vehicle - SjB {P}
it seems to me Dorset Police ought to have something better to spend their money on - and I say that as a former employee...

Burglar?
Driving off without paying for petrol?
No valid tax disk?
Drove through a red light 30 seconds previously?
Could be anything.

Dorset police were probably spending tax payer's money quite sensibly.
Under-cover Police vehicle - Mark (RLBS)
How do you balance;

>I don't know the rights and wrongs of what the guy was doing

with;

>Police ought to have something better to spend their money on

I'd rather there was loads more of them stopping loads more cars - or are you more of a supported of cameras than police activity ?
Under-cover Police vehicle - Algernon
>I don't know the rights and wrongs of what the guy was doing

He was driving a sports car for a start.

The job could have been done at least as well by a properly marked traffic car, and you can have as many of them as you like; they do some good.

The rest real motorists hate as manifestations of anti-motoring crankery - and to save upset please note that the subject is CARS.
Under-cover Police vehicle - Malcolm_L
Very difficult for anyone to comment on this as the whole story isn't known.

Completely disagree with your statement about a properly marked traffic car, since they made speed cameras high-viz, we generally slow down because we see them in time, if conditions permit we then resume our previous speed.

Same thing with marked police cars, no-one who values their licence is going to be a prat in sight of a marked police car, but if 1% of the egits who drive with no consideration for other drivers are pulled by an unmarked police car then bring it on.

Under-cover Police vehicle - Bromptonaut
Dept for Transport wants to change driver behaviour with regard to speed. Which is most effective:-

Marked Cars
Unmarked Cars
Hi-Vis Cameras
Concealed Cameras
Under-cover Police vehicle - Vin {P}
"Dept for Transport wants to change driver behaviour with regard to speed."

I want to change driver behaviour with respect to cutting out atrociously dangerous driving. Which is most effective? Marked or unmarked?

V
Under-cover Police vehicle - NowWheels
Which is most effective:-
Marked Cars // Unmarked Cars // Hi-Vis Cameras // Concealed Cameras


Surely the answer has to be combination of all these methods, the balance depending on circumstances?
Under-cover Police vehicle - Vin {P}
"Dorset Police ought to have something better to spend their money on"

Car stolen, perhaps?
Reported in a crime?
Driver wanted?
etc, etc.

V
Under-cover Police vehicle - pdc {P}
"Dorset Police ought to have something better to spend their money on"

Perhaps the original poster of that comment meant "than a BMW 5 series"
Under-cover Police vehicle - Malcolm_L
and I say that as a former employee...

Perhaps that should have read "and I say that as a former disgruntled employee..."
Under-cover Police vehicle - Truckosaurus
A university friend's father was a bigwig with Hampshire Constabulary, who are big users of BMWs, they used to get cars with bodywork quality control failures at a hefty discount.

The thing that I was pondering recently was why Police forces don't buy some of the large cheap cars from people like Kia or Hyundai. Either they aren't up to the rough'n'tumble of people work or the total cost of ownership is no better than a Volvo or Bimmer dispite their low sticker price.
Under-cover Police vehicle - midlifecrisis
Our BMW 530D Touring cost the force £14000 new. The manufacturers give them to the job, it's good PR. Resale value is much better than an Omega, hence you are getting better value the money you put in.
Under-cover Police vehicle - SjB {P}
> > Our BMW 530D Touring cost the force £14000 new.

Reminds me of the case some years back when I purchased my father's ex-BT Sierra GL 2.0 DOHC company car. I paid about four grand at three years old with about 25,000 miles under the wheels for a car that I knew well (including for five flat out laps round the 13 mile Nordschleif, ahem) and had cleaned and polished often.

Bargain.

I then found out that it was one of a batch of several thousand that BT had ordered in one hit, and paid new for each only a little more than I had just paid at three years old!

If accurate, then just as I was happy to get good value motoring, then equally so should BT be!
Under-cover Police vehicle - teabelly
Under cover cars are a good idea but if you make them too obscure then you can create a problem for people. Around here there is a gang of people that are going around in a car pretending to be the police by sticking blue flashing lights on the dashboard. Some poor chap stopped, got beaten up and had his car stolen. There was also another group doing that on the traffic cops programme that was on last night. In the dark it is difficult to tell if the blue flashes are from a pukka car. The persons on the traffic cop show had fitted strobes and lights into the front grille so unless you realised the police are unlikely to have a dark blue renault 19 you could easily assume they were real.


teabelly
Under-cover Police vehicle - Thommo
As I seem to come out with anti-cop comments generally, I would add that I am all for unmarked patrol vehicles.

The withdrawl of patrols marked or unmarked and replacement by scameras has IMHO lead to a massive increase in bad driving and though I have no evidence other than anecdotal a return of the drunk driver.

Unmarked obviously gives you more bang for your buck and as a taxpayer I am all for that.

The idea of bogus police cars is a worrying one though I have to admit.
Under-cover Police vehicle - NowWheels
The persons on the traffic cop show had fitted strobes and
lights into the front grille so unless you realised the police
are unlikely to have a dark blue renault 19 you could easily
assume they were real.


I don't think that even that logic is a wise assumption: some police units do drive very unlikely cars. For example, I am aware of one incident where the special branch turned up in a faded and slightly battered 6-year-old Astra, the sort of thing sold as a "nice runner" on a forecourt with bunting.

I can see the difficulties for folks with determining which unamrked vehicles are "real" police, but I don't think that any vehicle can be ruled out. Dunno what can be done to evade hoaxers
Under-cover Police vehicle - Adam {P}
NW,
backing up what you said (I'm going to lie down in a dark room soon), I've been driving around Liverpool and it's not uncommon to see a G reg Astra (GTE I think) hanging around the M58 - yes G REG - quick though!


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Adam
Under-cover Police vehicle - frostbite
'Hoaxers' is a rather mild description for bandits.

I think it is essential that only uniformed officers drive such cars and that fact be well publicised.
Under-cover Police vehicle - NowWheels
'Hoaxers' is a rather mild description for bandits.


You're right, bad choice of word. Sorry!
I think it is essential that only uniformed officers drive
such cars and that fact be well publicised.


Sadly, I can't see that being workable. Maybe uniformed officers could so some of it, but for other functions it will probably be necesary to have plainclothes officers. We do, however, need some way in which they can still be identified as police, something a little better than a small warrant card viewed through a rained-up window.
Under-cover Police vehicle - v8man
As I understand it, (I'm sure some of you cops will put me straight) if you suspect that you have been pulled over by a bogus cop you can insist on being escorted to the local nick before getting out of your car.
Under-cover Police vehicle - pdc {P}
That is something that I would insist on. I know where the local nicks are in Manchester and Stoke but I would be at a loss in a less familiar town. I guess that you are then at risk of being taken down a country lane and being ambushed!

Paranoid? Me?
Under-cover Police vehicle - MarkSmith
Perhaps you can insist on being escorted back, but you don't know at the time that it's an impersonator, and in all probability that is going to take you half an hour, rather than two minutes if you just sort it out on the spot...
Under-cover Police vehicle - runboy
The Volvo website has an acutal brochure about their cars for the Police-tells you standard equipment, upgrades etc. Some nice pictures for those that are into Police cars.

I want an S60 even more now! If the Police drive them, they must be reliable......I hope!
Under-cover Police vehicle - Stuartli
Interesting comments from Sue Nicholson, head of campaigns for the RAC Foundation, in the Mail today following the inquest on the sad death of a pensioner crossing the A6 at Disley, when the coroner and police expressed the view that a distracting speed camera siting may have contributed to the tragedy.

She said: "It is only when sad circumstances such as these come to light that the problems with speed cameras are highlighted.

"With the drop in the number of traffic officers, we are now seeing rising numbers of drink-drivers for the first time in the last couple of decades.

"Speed cameras are good road safety devices used in the right places, but what they cannot do is pick up all the other types of dangerous drivers which traffic officers can."

The story points out official government statistics reveal that despite increasing numbers of speed cameras, along with the decline in the number of traffic officers, road deaths rose by two per cent last year to 3,508.


What's for you won't pass you by
Under-cover Police vehicle - keo-the-dog
avon and somerset police used to have an old datsun and an old mazda working with the drug squad only give away was a small aerial on the back by the bumper (you really had to look for it or know it was there ). recently seen an old astra and an old rover in cid use. glasgow police own a taxi fx4 black london style cab used for lots of undercover stuff , very effective it is too.
Under-cover Police vehicle - Sofa Spud
I'm just wondering if some of these unmarked cars with blue lights behind the grille might be security escort vehicles etc.

Cheers, SS