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This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
Looks like on my own then.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Malcolm_L
Nah
This weeks Poll - servicing - Robin Reliant
I wondered if the other one might be HJ.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
People molly-coddle cars.

The difference between my oil-changing routine ? whenever I get around to it ? and somebody else?s is about £1,000 on a 150,000 mile car.

The difference between my servicing routine ? when its not running right ? and somebody else?s is about £2,500 on a 150,000 mile car.

And don?t tell me there?s £3,500 difference in the value of a car I sell at 150,000 miles and one with a perfect, or better than perfect, service history, because there isn?t.

I certainly hear of more people who lose their cars in an accident than who stuff up their cam belts.

I only lift the bonnet if the screen wash needs refilling and it can take me weeks to get around to that.

I own no car cleaning products whatsoever and if they really need mud shifting off them they get a car wash or a jet wash and can live with it.

I frequently start them for 10 seconds, move them around the drive and then switch them off again ? I?ve not had one fail to restart yet.

I?ve not had a car engine die on me since about 1980 when a Horizon I bought with dodgy big-ends for £25 finally let go after a further 15,000 miles.

I?ve had nothing rust on me since a 1976 Lancia Beta.

There is no chance of any balancing, tracking or anything else happening unless one or more tyres is being changed at the same time, yet I?ve not suffered from uneven wear or vague steering in 20 years - and you know when the brake need changing because they make horrible screeching noises.

I wouldn\'t know a dodgy damper if you hit me around the ear with one, and as far as I know I\'ve never had one.

Exhausts have their own special unique way of announcing when they need to be changed and you have a temperature gauge which will mention it if your using water.

Tyre pressures get checked at whatever service station I?m near when I have a) damn near run out of petrol and b) remember that one or more of the tyres looked a bit soft, yet again, I?ve not suffered from uneven wear or vague steering in 20 years.

I don?t waste time trying to fix something which is not broken, and which experience seems to show me is not likely to break.

And since I rarely sell a car with less than 100,000 miles on the clock and in fact the last had 160,000 miles on the clock, I have saved myself a fortune in expense, hours in time and endless frustration in effort and coordination.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
And since this is a subject I hit from time to time, here are some more of my sane and coherent discussions on the subject from a couple of years ago;

My cars get serviced when something doesn't work or they don't run right; they get an oil change if and when they get a service; virtually any noise can be ignored or covered by increased cd player volume and you get used to it in time anyway; the brake discs would need to be in pieces before they got renewed; the punctured tyre gets replaced on its own, the others can get used to it and who gives a stuff what angle the steering wheel is at as long as the thing goes in straight lines, except when you would prefer it turned corners; as long as the car is level and not making bangs, then the suspension is clearly ok; if it gets a wash, which frankly isn't that likely, it'll get the nearest, convenient automatic car wash and be grateful for it; it gets petrol from whichever pump I stopped next to from whichever gas station I happened to be near when the fuel light started flashing; and if I need to start it cold, move it 2 ft and switch it off again it can damn well get over itself and start again when I need it whether the cat likes it or not.

I think we worry too much. Its not like they're worth a groat after 5 years anyway.

And then we get upset with other drivers. I don't care if they keep their foot on the brake in traffic, my pupils are built to protect my retina, I don't mind if they driver slower than I want to, I just overtake them at some point; there's no point in jumping up and down about traffic jams, it only amuse the kids in the next car;

Personalised plates don't bother me, not that I have one; baseball caps backwards look uncomfortable, but they don't bother me. Speed cameras don't bother me, I just drive carefully in their vicinity.

I strongly suspect that two-jags, Tony Blair and the entire police force do not even know I exist and probably are not conspiring against me.

It doesn't have an air-freshener, it doesn't have any bits fitted to it that it wasn't born with; I neither love it nor hate it; I have absolutely no idea what it does to the gallon, on the basis that its going to do it anyway and my knowing about it doesn't make it feel guilty and do a little more; I have no idea what it does 0-60 and it might well be slower than next-doors, I wouldn't know;

I check the tyre pressures when one of them looks flat or the car wanders; I fill the windscreen washer when its empty, and i gets no cleaner, you just leave your windscreen wipers on longer and it scrapes the dirt off; on a cold day I start it, leave it running and go back in for more coffee and another cigarette;

It may well have a warning triangle, I've never looked and goodness knows whether or not it has any tools, I wouldn't use them if it did have. I am sure its got a spare wheel, but I have to admit I've never seen it, or the jack for that matter, its probably under the boot floor;

I have no idea what oil it should use, although I know what it does use and I suspect Tesco sell loads of it; And it gets shopping trolley dings, but so what, you can;t see them through the dirt anyway.

And, touch wood, it hasn't broken down, failed to start or done anything particularly weird and I do *loads* of miles. And my last car was taken over by my cousin and that's still going.

I think cars are a darn sight tougher than we give them credit for.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Vin {P}
Now I'm *really* glad I didn't buy your Omega estate, Mark. (Great big :-) to be taken with that, btw)

V
This weeks Poll - servicing - Kevin
I'm watching National Geographic channel at the moment (Air Crash Investigations) praying that the plane I'll be in on Tuesday hasn't been maintained at "Mark's Aircraft Services" ;-)

Kevin...
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mapmaker
Mark's wisdom seems largely pretty sensible to me. Cars are there to do for us what we want them to do.

I think I'd disagree on the cam belt. It is a *fact* that a rubber belt will not do 200000 miles over 20 years in the gruesome environment that is an engine. It is not a fact that a car will end up in an accident. A car where the engine is worth something is worth changing the belt on. A car where it isn't, is only worth changing the belt if you don't want to break down somewhere.

And I once hired an ancient Orion that suffered a cam belt failure at 7pm on a Thursday evening between Newcastle & its airport. & the AA wouldn't come to rescue me as the hire company's membership had run out... Cambelt failure is about the only instant catastrophic failure that a modern engine is likely to suffer.

But this faces me with a dilemma. My car cost £750. Service interval for belt is 80k. It was done 55k ago according to the service book. But Haynes recommends every 40 or 60k. The previous owner thought he'd had it done - but no history as it all goes to his accountant. It will cost £300 to change the belt. Do I do it, or do I not? I think it's the reliability issue that is going to get me & so I shall.

And I disagree on tyre pressures. A tyre that is visibly soft gives rise to dreadful handling. Mine get checked whenever I fill up with petrol when I'm not in a hurry - so about every 3 weeks, I suppose.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Dynamic Dave
And I disagree on tyre pressures. A tyre that is
visibly soft gives rise to dreadful handling. Mine get checked
whenever I fill up with petrol when I'm not in a
hurry - so about every 3 weeks, I suppose.


And do you allow for temperature varients? Handbooks suggest checking the pressures cold - which isn't the case when you're at the garage forecourt.
This weeks Poll - servicing - paulb {P}
And do you allow for temperature varients? Handbooks suggest checking the
pressures cold - which isn't the case when you're at the
garage forecourt.


...which is why I spent a total of £30 on pressure gauge and plug-it-in-the-fag-lighter compressor. The ability to check and inflate your own tyres independently of garage forecourts is oddly liberating.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mapmaker
>>And do you allow for temperature varients? Handbooks suggest checking the pressures cold - which isn't the case when you're at the garage forecourt.

Oh yes it is... 90 seconds at 20mph isn't going to make a material difference to my tyre temperatures.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Dalglish
It is a *fact* that a rubber belt will not do 200000 miles
over 20 years in the gruesome environment that is an engine.

>>


can you please enlighten us as to where you got this *fact* from ?

This weeks Poll - servicing - Mapmaker
Err... where's that coat?
This weeks Poll - servicing - Dalglish
if i put mark(rlbs)'s views at 10 - on a scale of 1 to 10 - my own standing would be around 9.

despite my attitude to motoring, i still like to take part in this forum - as i find it quite entertaining and do learn from the experience of others.

question that i find interesting is, considering his attitude to motoring, what does mark(rlbs) get from this forum - apart from the joy of moderating it?

This weeks Poll - servicing - Aprilia
When we had our workshop we used to have a large handwritten sign behind the counter which said something along the lines of 'Remember - Look after your car and it'll look after you', with a list of our service prices underneath.

I have seen far too many neglected cars to ever believe that regular servicing is in any way optional. We used to get loads of Ford CVH's in with oil that was like treacle and bearings, cam etc. wrecked. After we'd fixed the damage we usually had a regular customer!
I can tell Mark RLBS is not an engineer. Any kind of mechanical problem will not fix itself. It will get worse and take other components with it - possible causing a danger if brakes/suspension are involved.

Tyre pressures are very important - incorrect pressures will lead to accelerated tyre wear, and unsafe handling in certain circumstances. It is also a legal requirement to keep your tyre pressures correct.

Leaving brakes until they make a horrible noise means that the pads are down to the backing and the discs are being damaged - with obvious reduction in braking performance.

Modern traffic conditions mean that cars should be kept in tip-top condition and the annual service viewed as an absolute minimum requirement to keep a vehicle roadworthy and safe for the driver and other road users. Certainly, if the vehicle is involved in an accident the police will want to make their own checks and will prosecute if the vehicle is has not been properly maintained (a valid MoT is not a 'get out of jail' on this one).
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
Clearly ones car needs to be safe; and largely that is a function of being looked after - but, for example, oil changes every 3.78 micro-furlongs ? I don't think so.

We molly-coddle cars. I don't mean that we shouldn't give them what they need, but we do go waaaaaaaay too far with it.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Dynamic Dave
We molly-coddle cars. we do go waaaaaaaay too far with it.


We do, it's just that you don't ;o)

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=9193

This weeks Poll - servicing - PoloGirl
Apologies for the hi-jack, please feel free to delete/move/whatever...

Every time I try to vote in a poll, I get "you have already voted, but here are the results" when I actually haven't voted.

Which one of you is pretending to be a Pologirl and taking my vote? :)

This weeks Poll - servicing - Altea Ego
Well PG its one of two things....

Remember that innocent mains cable that Mark sent you? well its really a secret device to intercept............
or

It has been rumoured that ND has leanings of the Monty Python Lumberjack song type......
This weeks Poll - servicing - Kevin
>People molly-coddle cars.

>>My car in the Staes, a Pontiac, also has service intervals of 100k. However, it gets oil
>>changes around every 4000 miles.

Nuff said.

Kevin...
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
It was a warranty condition, sadly. Not that I have that car anymore.

You didn't think I'd be doing that willingly, did you ?
This weeks Poll - servicing - Mark (RLBS)
Actually now I think about it, I don't think it was the warranty I think it was a condition of finance.
This weeks Poll - servicing - Kevin
Just pulling your leg Mark.

I think your first post was right and that it was a condition of the warranty. The service manual for my Chevy has two maintenance schedules. One for hot and/or dusty climates that specifies oil changes at 3K miles. The regular schedule was for changes at 6K miles.

Fortunately a (semi-synth) oil and filter change in Texas cost less than $50 plus two coffees in the diner nextdoor to the GM dealer.

In comparison, the cost of oil for a service on my XJ8 is 6.8Ltrs of Mobil 1 at £9.80 per Litre, plus £7.90 Environmental Waste Charge, plus VAT. Total £87, excluding labour.

Kevin...
This weeks Poll - servicing - HF
As usual I am late.

But I really cannot help but put my oar in, in defense of those motorists who wait until something is wrong before rectifying it.

It really is a case of if it doesn't seem wrong then don't fix it, to some people, like me.

Ah well. I will leave before I start ranting about something or other completely irrelevant about the subject. ;)