Patently - agree with you. It's MM's money so let him do what he wants with it. Otherwise somebody will bring the 4x4 type argument into this one too.
He also never asked for any comments on the choice of car or the purpose - he was questioning whether the RX8 is 'fit for purpose'. I can't believe that each of the eco-warriers criticising him hasn't also jumped into their cars to nip to the shops, etc. All of us use our cars for short runs when there is a more viable alternative. When I lived overseas I regularly saw people drive from shop to shop at the larger malls.
The question he posed was 'Is the RX8's engine design so flawed that this sort of use is not viable?'
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Utimately it still just comes down to money.
You could drive to the station in a Perodua Nippa,
You could drive to the station in a Pagani Zonda.
You could drive to the station in a car which, for this pattern of use, the costs MAY end up including repairs to the engine.
Whether it's viable is really just whether you're bothered about paying the particular cost for the particular car you desire.
;-)
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I wonder whether he'll buy her a caravan to go behind it! Then he could pay lots of tax twice.
Lucky girl. I'm up for adoption too... (but see qualifier below)
It's not how I'd spend my money, but I'll defend his right to spend his money the way he wants to the hilt. It's good for the economy for people to throw away their money on depreciating rubbish ;-) (Which is not a comment on this particular car, but a comment on new cars in general.)
It's probably not how I'd travel one mile, but I'll defend his right to encourage his daughter to drive to the station - we don't know how dangerous the road is for cycling, nor how dark it is, nor how lonely, nor how often it rains.
What would the outcry from BRers have been if the title of this thread was 'Gordon Brown to ban car journeys of only 1 mile & to ban young girls from driving sports cars.' Discuss.
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Motorwayman please tell me you are winding us up. You are not seriously considering splashing the thick end of £20k on a poser mobile designed to keep little missy from messing up her beautifully coiffured barnet on the way to slumming it with the proletariat in the cattle boxes that pass for modern trains? Get real...either point her in the direction of something that she can afford off her own wages or else suggest that she car share, take a taxi or even (shock horror) take the bus. If she wants a flash car then let her save up and buy one herself. She is twenty-one for goodness sake...stop treating her like a spoiled child.
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Stop beating about the bush, mate. Say what you think.
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After looking at some of his previous posts I reckon this is a windup.
He's probably laughing his socks off at the responses.
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What would the outcry from BRers have been if the title of this thread was 'Gordon Brown to ban car journeys of only 1 mile & to ban young girls from driving sports cars.' Discuss.
Beautifully put, mapmaker. Thank you.
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I gave up on the idea of motorcycling to the station and getting the train to London when in about the first three weeks I had the top box forced and my helmet and gloves pinched and then the padlock cut off and the whole bike pinched (funnily enough it was dumped in a station car park 15 miles down the line: there's no direct train service between the two stations so the thief obviously just couldn't be bothered to change trains).
Since then I've just biked the whole way.
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I had 3 years of faultless driving behind me when I was 21.
Then I crashed... and crashed.... and crashed.
I love Polo because he's all mine and my parents taught me the value of owning things for yourself, not being in debt and not having things handed to me on a plate. My guess is this daughter would be even more in love with the car if she'd actually worked for it.
Still, it's his money and he's free to spend it how he likes.... but his daughter is one of those that will be waiting a long time for me to let her out if her little journey involves any junctions.
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Also, more practically, don't you want your daughter to have something that she will value forever as her special 21st birthday present, not something that will depreciate and die?
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I feel sorry (really) for Motorwayman. Started a thread on buying his daughter a car.. and look what it gets to! Nearly the longest thread!
I am sure an RX8 will last and give reliable service for as long as she is likely to own it..(which is likely to be no more than 3 years if she is an "average" owner - which of course does not exist!)
madf
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I think polo girl wants to be adopted as well
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Motorwayman's not even trying Renault Family. When I finished my final exams at university we all decided to go out for a curry. A Portuguese student rang home to say she would be late and her father told her he had bought her an Aston Martin convertible. She still came out for a curry though!
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I was raving about the Rx8, right from the first snipits of info began appearing.Having now had chance to see it in the metal, I'm suitably impressed!
Looks good all angles, even in drab colours - you CAN now order in lightning yellow, wasn't to be available , initially.
Girlfrind of ours, 40 something, has one now , after getting shot of her new MR2,(only discovered the poor carrying capacity after purchase!!) She seems more than happy, now.
Don't like the great lump of transmission, thet sticks into your calf, on right hand drive versions. Maybe OK, if your a shorter person - Mrs Vansboy was fine.
Be wary if you live near me, Herts,& looking at a red one. Trade plated & non registered example went past our place last week at sub 20 mph, sounding like a steam engine - NO EXAGERATION-, wonder what was up with that one??!!
Let her have it if she wants it!!
VB
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Motorwayman, April Fool is a fortnight away yet mate!
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Hi
Interesting points!!
I will try and address queries raised generally.
First of all, this may appear to be a "wind up" as some one said but just check out the link I've posted.
Remember, most of us live in the 21st century and not the steam age. I challange anyone here to come up with "WHAT'S BAD" about any car that comes close to this?
One respected member here made a very good point by stating that they had the one drive, two car senario. He asked if this meant they would have to push the other car out of the way. I agree with him.
As some one else said the car should be ok for the warranty period but what about post 4 years?
A few queried, and many more understood why our daughter drives up to the station as it is a mere one mile away. As many agreed, it is her choice!!
Another member stated that if the small print was read carefully this senario applied to most cars. I strongly disagree. this is because we all know that regular short trips do not help your car. My own experience about 15 years ago was when a work colleauge gave me a lift into work as he passed our home (I paid him an agreed amount) and it worked to my advantage as the car was normally warm in the winter and cool in the summer on the way down. My car stood around most of the 5 working days and as a result the exhaust went when it was three years old and only had about 15k miles on it. The exhaust guy told me that the condensation had built up resulting in rust and damaged exhaust as the motor was not driven on a regular basis.
Our daughter like any young lady goes out in the evenings and takes here car. She also does long-ish trips.
However, the FACT remains that this car is NOT suitable for the average journey of three miles. It takes my car in winter about 4/5 miles to warm up. So what chance does it have to get warmed up in the approx one mile she will travel.
If everyone was sincere here they would note that there is something odd about this car/makers. Tens of thousands of people make very short journeys on a regular basis - and if they read the 'whats bad' about this good looking car - they would not buy it new or second hand.
For what it's worth, all our family thinks it is a very good looking car that would attract attention of the right and wrong type. If we all worried about attract thieves, no one would buy a new car imo.
Thanks to those that supported my concerns.
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If everyone was sincere here they would note that there is something odd about this car/makers.
Yes. This is correct. THEY HAVE A ROTARY ENGINE.
Several people have tried to tell you this.
There is no conspiracy, nothing sinister is going on, it's just a different type of engine, and as such, different rules apply.
If it doesn't suit your purposes, which is obviousl,y the case, then look elsewhere.
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In the spirit of this thread, my son fell in love with the F-14 Tomcat and we are thinking of buying him one for his birthday.
However Grumman recommend that an aircraft carrier would complement such a purchase and we think that to buy both when he is only 15 would be spoiling him.
Do you think we are being hard on him?
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LOL. Posting of the week.
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Posting of the year methinks.
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"Ah...beer - my only weakness - my achilles heel if you will"
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In the spirit of this thread, my son fell in love with the F-14 Tomcat and we are thinking of buying him one for his birthday. However Grumman recommend that an aircraft carrier would complement such a purchase and we think that to buy both when he is only 15 would be spoiling him. Do you think we are being hard on him?
Dear Cardew
I think that you may be I danger of being a litle bit stingy, but the fact that you ask for advice shows that you are well aware of the risk.
I suggest, though, that you are being a little hard on yourself. After all, the good folks at Grumman wouldn't suggest these toys if they didn't honestly believe that they would provide good, healthy recreation for a young man. (I know that some cynical people might question that, but those are just the sort of begrudgers who believe all the evidence that tobacco manufacturers knew for years how dangerous cigarettes can be)
I am delighted to see that you (quite rightly) do not question your son's maturity to use this machinery responsibly. As you know, all this stuff is very safe, which is why all the government-owned models have been entrusted to the ultimate control of a man whose family is best friends with the Bin Laden family.
Go on -- buy him the aircraft carrier. After all, without it, where is going to land the F-14 -- in your back yard?
And then you can treat him to a fleet of nuclear missile submarines when he is twenty-one and has a few years driving experience under his belt!
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No Wheels,
"I think that you may be I danger of being a litle bit stingy,"
Its not the cost that worries us - he has been a good lad and his head groom says he helps with his string of polo ponies. Our concern is purely environmental.
C
P.S.
I think Orson's post is a 'wind up' don't you? It trivialises this thread.
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>>I think Orson's post is a 'wind up' don't you? It trivialises this thread.
You'd be going some to trivialise this thread.
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>> If everyone was sincere here they would note that there is >> something odd about this car/makers. Yes. This is correct. THEY HAVE A ROTARY ENGINE. Several people have tried to tell you this. There is no conspiracy, nothing sinister is going on, it's just a different type of engine, and as such, different rules apply. If it doesn't suit your purposes, which is obviousl,y the case, then look elsewhere.
I think everone on this thread knows it has a ROTARY engine. However, 95% of the members here would agree that they were unaware of serious weakness in this car. Again, and imo about 95% would agree again that this is like stepping back to the 'good old steam engine days.'
For the record, we will NOT be buying this dated technology. Yes it is dated by the mere fact that you have to treat it like a steam engined car, ie - you can not just start it move it off your drive and be certain that you have not damaged the engine.
Our daughter is a sensible person and she recognises the fact that this car will not meet her requirements, or anyone elese for that matter if they were honest enough to admit it. (some have here)
Final point: How many people do you know that own sports or other cheap or expensive cars that always WARM up their car to the correct tempreture and then TURN OFF THE ENGINE?
ONE TO AVOID - especially if you were thinking of buying this second-hand.
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Its simple really. You have been warned and you are aware that this car is not suitable (and not designed) for the use you intend.
Buy it at your peril. If it breaks outside the warranty period then tough - chalk it up to experience, dont come on here all enraged threatening to sue because we will laugh at you.
If it doesent (and given the warning you can try and unsure its cared for) then quids in - you and daughter happy, you can come on here and crow about how much fun its been and we can all weep with frustration and jelousy.
Your choice, buy it or not - end of matter.
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A heated debate on a few issues here, not all of them related to Motorwayman's motoring question!
To answer the question: yes I (and I'm sure other petrolheads with a good memory) know about the foibles of a rotary engine, many of the NSU Ro80's faults were due to owners not recognising how to drive them properly. However Mazda have done a lot of research on this and I'm sure you are quite safe to start the car up and move it around the driveway every so often! It won't last as long on short trips as it would on long trips but that's the same for every car - all the stories of cars which go 500,000 miles are taxis or whatever that are started in the morning and kept up to operating temperature all day.
Did you also know that several cars today require "special" atention: it's good practice to let any turbocharged car idle for a minute after a run where it gets hot to stop the oil boiling in the turbo bearings. Not compulsory, and modern cars are better than those of 5 or 10 years ago but it still helps.
Gareth
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this is like stepping back to the 'good old steam engine days.' For the record, we will NOT be buying this dated technology. Yes it is dated by the mere fact that you have to treat it like a steam engined car, Our daughter is a sensible person and she recognises the fact that this car will not meet her requirements, or anyone elese for that matter if they were honest enough to admit it. ONE TO AVOID - especially if you were thinking of buying this second-hand.
After all that you're considering buying it again?
Your daughter must be very persuasive ;)
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"For the record, we will NOT be buying this dated technology."
It's just occurred to me that the RX-8 has rear 'suicide' doors. You can't get much more dated than that...
C'mon Mazda, shape up. You've lost a potential customer here with these SILLY oversights.
Hawkeye
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Stranger in a strange land
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I think polo girl wants to be adopted as well
Heh...not until there's a proper car on offer!
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