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Is this a joke? - PhilW
£137,000 of damage when moving a car? He must have had bull-bars fitted back and front!!!!

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Is this a joke? - Blue {P}
I saw pictures in the paper, basically he wrote off most of the cars in his street, he punctured a radiator in one and it sent a steam rocket into the cold air!

The Mondeo that I saw had such heavy damage that it looked like it had been in a high speed crunch, much worse than the damage that wrote my mate's Mondeo off.

I suppose it must be possible to cause that much damage, imagine writing off 11 or 12 cars and your own, plus damage to street furniture, the bill must mount up quickly!

Blue
Is this a joke? - patently
Surely the most relevant comment in the report is:

"They also discovered that Arliss was more then three times the drink-drive limit"

Knocked the selector lever looking for a tape? I don't think so....
Is this a joke? - volvoman
I must remember to update my book of lame excuses:-)
Is this a joke? - patently
Do you work for a rail company then?
Is this a joke? - volvoman
I can see why you might think that :-)

Seriously, though, having been involved with local traffic issues for a number of years I've heard a few excuses in my time. The common factor with most is that no matter what destruction has been caused and how obvious it is that they've been reckless, those involved always seem to be driving just under the speed limit and swerving to avoid animals!

The latest local one involved a guy who claimed he'd swerved to avoid a parked car, gone the wrong way around a pedestrian refuge, clipped it with his FNS wheel in the process, mounted the pavement and finally come to rest on the grass verge further down the road having ploughed a large furrow in it. He claimed he wasn't speeding or anything but couldn't explain how he'd been unable to see that parked car (if indeed there ever was one) on an otherwise straight and perfectly clear section of road. Funny how he disappeared from the scene very rapidly and only reappeared 24 hours later though !
Is this a joke? - patently
The latest local one involved a guy who claimed he'd swerved
to avoid a parked car,


Presumably the parked car suddenly moved out in front of him...
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Yep - and I bet there's a brief out there somewhere who's used that one too :-)
Is this a joke? - owen
And how does someone who is unemployed and on disability benefits afford a 4 litre range rover????

Not really relevant. Keep it motoring please. ND
Is this a joke? - volvoman
In answer to your question Owen - the same way he'll manage to pay the fine.

Just a couple of other points here:

How does someone aged 39 manage to have a 28 year unblemished driving record ?

Was he registered, insured etc. as a disabled driver ?

How can anyone (even a brief) have the nerve to stand up in court and try to defend this idiot ?
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
And why was he looking for a tape if he was simply trying to move the car a few yards?

To quote Delbert McClinton: "If you can't lie better than that, you might as well tell the truth!"
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Do you think his legal team have come across that quote JBJ ?
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
Presumably not, VM!
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Die dulci fruere!
Is this a joke? - Dynamic Dave
Surely the most relevant comment in the report is:
"They also discovered that Arliss was more then three times the
drink-drive limit"
Knocked the selector lever looking for a tape? I don't
think so....


Wasn't this all to do with an argument over a parking space? The guy couldn't find a space outside his own door, so he decided to shunt all the other cars out the way and make one, (or four).
Is this a joke? - volvoman
And how long's it going to be before someone (car maker, insurance company, wreckers yard, recovery organisation ....) launches an advertising campaign based on this case ? :-)
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
The next item I'm expecting is to hear that he wasn't covered! They'll probably have to put him in prison for his own safety, if that happens...
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Die dulci fruere!
Is this a joke? - Ian (Cape Town)
wow! Now, considering most of what the chap said seems to be a 'tissue of lies' what are the chances that he was in fact heading off on a further drinking binge? Silly as it sounds, i'd prefer morons like that to crunch parked cars than to be driving on the open road with innocent people... I hope they throw the book at him.
Is this a joke? - volvoman
"Throw the book at him" Ian ? Come on now, this is the UK you know :-(
Is this a joke? - Ian (Cape Town)
Oh sorry, I forgot. Obviously the humiliation of having his name bandied about in the press will be considered punishment enough, right? It's a shame he ain't younger, otherwise they could send him on a character-building safari to Kenya or something...
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Actually, he'll probably sue successfully for a breach of his human rights!
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Well I think this could make a great Hollywood blockbuster! Plenty of scope for special effects, if just a tad short on content - that should mean 2-2.5 hours duration at least. Now we've just got to sort out who's going to play the driver, his female partner, the brief ....... ?
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
I nominate Pugugly for the brief...

BTW, £137k might sound a lot, but there was an American case a while ago where a driver ran off the road and crashed into an aircraft hangar, which caught light and burned out 11 planes...
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Yeah but I bet he wasn't just trying to move his car to a safer place though JBJ

Don't know about PU for the brief - is he good looking enough ?
Is this a joke? - Armitage Shanks{P}
I had a useful conversation yesterday with an employee of the local s************ Partnership. We discussed, among other things, the siting of cameras in the County ie nowhehere near where the fatal accidents have been. I then mentioned that the stated largest cause of accidents in the County was "Collision with animals on the highway" to which he replied that this was the standard excuse given by people who plough off the road and, if the police can't prove differently, that's what it goes into the stats as. "Just looking for a tape" - not very likely I think!
Is this a joke? - Maz
He doesn't get on with hs neighbours and thinks they've damaged hs car.
He gets back from the pub where he's knocked back around 6 pints of Dutch courage.
Maybe he wasn't in the best mood.

It's possible that he may have embarked on a crazed 4x4 rampage and staring down the barrel of a criminal damage charge went for the lighter Drink Driving excuse. Allegedly.
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
Anyone know whether his insurers are likely to pay out? Sounds like it might be an exclusion to me...
Is this a joke? - volvoman
I expect we'll all wind up paying the bill one way or another JBJ :-(
Is this a joke? - DavidHM
If he's actually insured, they'll pay out - someone would have to in the end for most of them, whether his insurer or the insurers of the cars he's wrecked, so the generally gnerous nature of most policies (at least in theory) will see them right.

Actually criminal damage probably wouldn't be too bad except it would be in addition to the drink driving but, if it's a first offence, he'd probably get a suspended sentence - according to Jordan's, the magistrates' starting point for this is a fine.

Is anyone else worried at how the guy has a twenty eight year driving record when he's only thirty nine? Was he going down the boozer and driving round in someone else's car at eleven perhaps?
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
I defer to your knowledge in such things, David, but are you sure that an insurer wouldn't make an exception when someone deliberately uses his vehicle to shunt others? Oh, sorry, forgot - he was looking for a tape...
Is this a joke? - DavidHM
Answering from a practical rather than a strictly legalistic standpoint, most of the time (when the damage is in four, not six figures) it's not worth the cost of litigating on. There's too much risk of it going the other way and paying out £10k in costs on a £6k claim.

Also, you're looking at a situation where, overall, most insurers will pay up based on the assumption that they would end up paying up in many of these situations, only from the claimant's insurance.

Also, s.145 (1) of the Road Traffic Act staets that any policy of motor insurance

(a) must insure such person, persons or classes of persons as may be specified in the policy in respect of any liability which may be incurred by him or them in respect of the death of or bodily injury to any person or damage to property caused by, or arising out of, the use of the vehicle on a road in Great Britain.

There are then various exceptions, the main one being use for hire and reward.

Basically, including a gross negligence/stupidity/wilfulness clause would leave the courts open to too many disputes as to who would be insured as it would be far too easy for an insurer to abdicate responsibility by putting too much of the blame on their own insured.
Is this a joke? - Maz
The crucial question is what was on the tape. Sources close to no-one in particular reveal:

Smash it up - The Damned
Crash - The Primitives
Running up that bill - Kate Bush
Twist & Clout - The Beatles
And the Smashie & Nicey favourite;
You ain't seen nothing yet - Bachman Turner Driveover.

Not 'arf pop pickers.
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Bachman Turner Driveover, Nicey ???

You mean Bachman Turner Flyover don't you?

Or was it Bachman Turner Overdrive ? :-)
Is this a joke? - JohnM{P}
Tape should also have included:
Crawling from the wreckage - Dave Edmunds!
TTFN
Is this a joke? - J Bonington Jagworth
"..a gross negligence/stupidity/wilfulness clause"

Just as well stupidity isn't a let-out, I guess.

Or as Groucho Marx famously said: "Sanity clause, what sanity clause? Doesn't he know there ain't no sanity clause?" :-)
Is this a joke? - volvoman
Does anyone know what eventually happened to this guy ?
Is this a joke? - Dynamic Dave
He was ordered to pay £920 compensation and £40 costs. He also agreed to undergo a safer-driving course which would reduce his driving ban by nine months. He was also given a 24-month community rehabilitation order.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_yorkshire...m
Is this a joke? - PhilW
"damage estimated at £150,000"

So presumeably we pay the other £149,080 via our insurance premiums???

"Arliss was found to have 105 micrograms of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath. Riyaz Shaikh, defending, said the incident was an accident caused when Arliss inadvertently knocked the automatic vehicle's reverse stick and then panicked and hit drive as he tried to stop the vehicle moving."

Accident??Inadvertently?? Poor chap was obviously as confused as a newt!

Safe driving courses reduce bans? - volvoman
It seems that banned drivers are being allowed to 'trade' part of their bans in exchange for taking 'good driving courses'. This sounds like a good idea in certain circumstances but does anyone know what is involved in these courses and what 'suitability criteria' are applied by the courts in deciding who'll benefit from such a course and who won't.

Apparently our friend who, after a night out drinking, did almost £150k worth of damage to several vehicles whilst trying to move his car to another parking spot got his ban reduced by 9 months in recognition of his agreeing to take such a course.

I can't help thinking that whilst some people may well benefit greatly from doing courses like this, others probably won't and could be abusing the system.
Safe driving courses reduce bans? - davemar
I had a friend who was done for drink driving and was offered one of these driving courses to reduce his ban, which he took up. The trouble was he was actually a decent driver, so didn't really need any real need for a driving improvement course (OK, we can all do with improving, but there are millions who need improving more than he did). His problem was he was an alcholic, and always had a can of beer in his hand, so was probably rarely under the limit. So what he needed was a course to deal with his drink problem.

In the end he got caught driving a friends car (which turned out to be a bit hooky too) while still banned, and over the limit; so got deported the next day.
Safe driving courses reduce bans? - Mapmaker
mmm, I thought that the drink driving courses were more like AA (not the fourth emergency service AA) sessions, where you started 'My name's Bob and my problem is claret.' A friend has recently been on one of these sessions, and he said they are full of white collar middle aged, middle class people. Said they were constantly bullied about their drinking, and the best bit was that he'd made a load of like minded friends with whom to go to the pub after the sessions.