Motoring Journalism - Cardew
In the dim and distant past our information on cars had to be gleaned from the specialist car magazines - Motor, Autocar etc as there was little cover in newspapers and on TV. These magazines depended on advertising and loan cars to survive and to say their reporting lacked objectivity was an understatement. The handling of the Triumph Vitesse on skinny cross-ply tyres was once described as "entertaining" - it was lethal! When 'Car' magazine gently criticised a car from a major manufacturer they withdrew all advertising which encouraged further disingenuous reporting.

Although motoring enthusiasts could 'read between the lines' the average car buyer didn't and this was compounded by adverts quoting selectively, and misleadingly, from Road Tests in these publications. I am certain this was responsible for some pretty dire cars foisted on an uninformed public.

Well IMHO motoring journalism has improved immeasurably in recent times. There are far more journalists largely freed from the need to mollify the advertising departments of the manufactures and a fair degree of objectivity has resulted. Like him or loath him, few can deny that Clarkson was one of the first to start this welcome trend. Also, hopefully without sounding obsequious, the non-enthusiast can get some honest appraisals of cars by reading HJ in the Telegraph or on this site.

However did anyone feel as I did about the report on the new CityRover by Paul Hudson in today's Telegraph? There is no point in discussing the merits/demerits of this car as they were exhaustively covered in a recent thread. Most readers in the Backroom have a real interest in cars and will easily 'read between the lines' and deduce he feels the same as most other journalists; but he doesn't come out and say so; it is all weasel wording. I suspect it will convince some of the uninformed to buy one. I wonder if it is misplaced patriotism!

It is like the clock had been put back 30 years; let us hope this does not herald a return to those days.

Motoring Journalism - Pugugly {P}
Agree with you. Apart from the fact that Car pre-dated JC by a good few lemons - LJK Setright is greatly missed. JC? Don't mention his name around Luton.
Motoring Journalism - Cardew
Pugugly,
I agree 'Car' magazine's attempts to report more objectively was long before Clarkson came on the scene and IIRC they even published some of the correspondence about the withdrawal advertising. However that incident served notice on Car and similar magazines that their main source of revenue could be switched off if they didn't toe the line.

It was not until Top Gear on the BBC started to get more outspoken and newspapers devoted more columns to motoring that things gradually improved. As far as I can remember Clarkson taking on Vauxhall was the first time in UK that a major manufacturer had a car really slated and that broke the mould.

C
Motoring Journalism - Chris - nearly an ex-pat...
Pugugly refers to LJK being "missed". Indeed his absence from the pages of Car is the main reason I stopped buying the magazine. But what happened to him? I notice that Amazon.com doesn't list any new books by him for 5 years or so. Has he stopped writing books and moved on to something else? Or has he died?

I've posted this question on several other motoring forums, and no-one seems to know.

Motoring Journalism - Cardew
Chris,
"Pugugly refers to LJK being "missed". "

Like you I felt his absence from the Car was a great loss.

He wrote a long article in last weeks Telegraph Motoring supplement(26 Dec) and still writes on a variety of subjects - including HiFi.

Do a Google for LKJ Setright - using upper case for LKJ.

C

Motoring Journalism - Chris - nearly an ex-pat...
Good golly Cardew. You're right! Always trust Google. But I still think he's had a bit of a fallow period for the last decade or so. At one time, he was pushing out articles on all kinds of subjects for car magazines, lifestyle mags, shooting magazines, etc, + many pieces of newspaper journalism. Looks like he's back in circulation again.

I've always been fascinated by LJK since reading an angry rant in one issue of CAR in which George Bishop (RIP) tore into LJK for his "eccentrice" personal lifestyle. Eccentric in what way I wonder? George didn't go into details.

Oh and how about George's column? It was always the first thing I read in the magazine, and was sure to give me several good belly-laughs. What a job he had. Here was a guy writing for the world's most pretigious motoring magazine who admitted he didn't know much about cars, couldn't drive very well, and actually wasn't very interested in cars at all! But, oh boy, he LOVED fine wine and good food! He got flown all around europe on various junkets, and his columns consisted mainly of details of the wining and dining he did. Occasionally he would deign to mention a few words about the car he had apparently been "road testing" (usually less than a paragraph or so), and those words were usually complaints - he couldn't turn the radio on, the indicators were on the wrong side, or the aircon didn't work properly etc. I don't think he ever made a comment on a car's dynamic abilities. What a column.


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As for CAR mag' nowadays, well it seems to be edited by teenagers.... (say no more) :( :( :(
Motoring Journalism - mlj
'Drive On! A Social History Of The Motor Car' is LJK Setright's new book, published late November I think. The piece in the paper was an extract. Like some fellow backroomers my experience of car writing was spoiled by Setright and Bishop in 70's CAR magazine. The book by the way, is £17.50 online and worth every penny.
Motoring Journalism - carl_a
In total agreement with you on this one Cardew, car magazines are mostly OK however. I notice it a lot more in specialist publications, some of which have never made a negative statement about anything.

With regards to the City Rover report, it does seem to be missing a few things, such as fuel economy, equipement (lack of), safty. Not even a comment about the new Fiat Panda which has to be its main competitor or the Daihatsu Charade, both of which are better and cost far less.
Motoring Journalism - Pugugly {P}
Have a look at this month's Car and you'll find a back to back test between the Panda and RoverCity.
Motoring Journalism - king arthur
AutoExpress also pitched it against the Daihatsu Charade this week, and - it won!
Motoring Journalism - Obsolete
I too read the City Rover review with a sense of incredulity. Fair enough he did say the build quality and handling were fine and I am sure that they were.

But the fuel economy was execrable so why was that not on the list of minus points? And the lack of extras such as airbag, and power steering were not mentioned as minus points either. Why?

He stated that he liked the price, and to me it seemed as if he had opted to compare the car with quite expensive competitors. Surely a 5 door Fiat Punto would be cheaper and come with better equipment?
Motoring Journalism - Pugugly {P}
Sum up of Car test was that it was a generation behind the Panda but rode better as well as having a better performance.
Motoring Journalism - Thommo
Getting slightly off subject, the bloke who used to live next door was the photographer for Car magazine. He used to live the life or riley! He would disappear for two weeks and then return sun-tanned and I would say where have you been? and he would say something like 'oh Ford launched the new mondeo in Morocco so we went there for three weeks...

Plus he had a side line with 'glamour' pics using the shoot models, but thats another story.

Silly sod gave it all up for a woman and is now a wedding photographer in Dublin.
Motoring Journalism - Thommo
Sorry that should have read two weeks again, even Ford and Car working together can not transmute time.
Motoring Journalism - carl_a
An honest review of the City Rover has been published in todays Times, covering all the points that needed to be made.
Motoring Journalism - Cardew
Carl,
Different cars on test or different standards of journalism? I know what I think!

C

Motoring Journalism - carl_a
Just goes to show how correct your original post was !

You should look at more that one source for information really if you want a balanced view, but I wonder how many people make their choice by reviews/comments in magazines anyway ?
Motoring Journalism - malteser
Motoring Journalism is an oxymoron!
Motoring Journalism - patently
Motoring Journalism is an oxymoron!


As opposed to many of the journalists, who are not oxy.