Driver training - Vin {P}
As mentioned in another thread, my company experimented with paying for driver training days to cut insurance costs. They found that half day sessions resulted in a 50% reduction in insurance claims for company car drivers. My firm has now expanded this to be available FOC for all staff, company car or not.

If this is a worthwhile investment for a company to reduce insurance claims, it must be a worthwhile investment for a Government to reduce deaths. Discuss.

V
Driver training - SR
Long overdue, but why should "the government" (i.e. all of us) pay for it. Why shouldn't the drivers themselves pay for it - they stand to benefit in the long run, particularly where it's their own insurance and not a company.
Driver training - martint123
It's happening - well in a way:-

www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677...3

The London s************ Partnership has unveiled plans to invest heavily in road safety rather than just increasing the number of cameras on London's roads.

"We are now allowed to put part of our budget in schemes outside the partnership," explained Tom Duckham, Project Manager for the London s************ Partnership. "So we intend to invest a large amount in the BikeSafe scheme in an attempt to tackle the large number of two-wheeled accidents in London. We are initially looking at investing £100,000 but this will hopefully be expanded."

BikeSafe is a nationwide scheme set up by police and local authorities to provide additional rider training and education. The London scheme offers rider skills days at centres around the capital.
Driver training - Vin {P}
"why should "the government" (i.e. all of us) pay for it."

I've read somewhere that it's been calculated that the average road death costs around £1M out of the public purse.

Save half the deaths in the UK each year (2500/5000?) and you've got £2.5Bn. At £100 a training session, that'll cover 25 million drivers a year, so net benefit to the country after a year or so.

I know it doesn't work quite like that - you don't actually save all the cash, but the principle seems pretty reasonable.

That sum, of course, ignores totally the benefits of saving 2,500 lives a year in terms of misery and heartache.

It also assumes that all drivers would benefit the same as drivers all taken from my sample that is inherently biased - HAL employs working age professionals who probably have well-maintained cars and who might be inclined to listen to instruction. Would the speeding scrotes in uninsured heaps take the same notice? Probably not.

I really do think that we should move from a world where you're taught to pass a test, then forgotten forever. Good training would add to the experience that we all gain by driving for a few years.

V
Driver training - Big Vern
Why get the goverment involved to make a mess of it? It is already available in the form of the IAM & ROSPA tests. Which IMHO would have much a more widespread take up if more insurance companies offered discounted rates for holders.

I recently passed my IAM test and got a £20.03 discount from Admerial for the remaining 5 months of the term of my insurance policy. I am guessing that equates to ~ £50 discount per year (taking into account the non linear refunds throughout the term of the policy) therefor it has almost paid for itself in 1 year.

I had previously been put off as the insurance companies offering discounts tended to be 20% more expensive to start with for my quote.
Driver training - Honestjohn
There is talk of the DSA making Pass Plus assessment-based and compulsory. The problem with it is insurance companies do not take it seriously enough, so kids can beat the pass plus discount simply by going to an insurer who is cheaper anyway.

HJ
Driver training - Vin {P}
I presume Pass Plus is soon after the test, in which case some of its benefit is probably lost. One reason my training worked is that I've driven many thousands of miles and was able to use spare brain power on the observation exercises we were doing. Immediately after my test, I didn't have any spare capacity; I was concentrating on keeping my car between the kerb and the white line.

If Pass Plus is a year or more after the test, I withdraw this comment.

V
Driver training - SR
Vin,

I take your point that the public purse in general gains from reduction in accidents, but we would gain even more if we didn't have to pay for the courses.

If an individual driver had to pay £100 at some time over an initial 5-year period for additional training, they could save this in insurance premiums alone. Taxpayers would save twice.

I think it should be compulsory to undergo further training to a higher standard within 5 years of passing the test, then check tests every 5 years after that. The infrastructure already exists to support this, if you combine and expand the resources of the DSA, ROSPA, IAM, etc. Too many people peak on test day then deteriorate over time, knowing they'll never even have their eyesight checked again unless they do something really serious.
Driver training - commerdriver
Maybe it could be tied in to the power / speed of car as for motorcycles so that, for example to drive a car above group 12 insurance you would need an extra test (you could even,as has been suggested in another thread, extend it to extra training for SUV's, towing caravans or whatever).

Following on from Vin's comment earlier the company we work for insists on any driver for convertible company cars or cars over group 15 having done either the company approved course or IAM or similar. Seems to me to make some sense
Driver training - MichaelR
There is talk of the DSA making Pass Plus assessment-based and
compulsory. The problem with it is insurance companies do not take
it seriously enough, so kids can beat the pass plus discount
simply by going to an insurer who is cheaper anyway.


I'd like to beg to differ here, if I may.

Previously, PP was a waste of time. It saved you at most, 10% off your insurance. This is why I didn't bother - I felt an IAM course after I'd got a years experience under my belt following my test pass in 2001 would be better for my driving than Pass Plus.

Recently though, its changed. Many insurers, including Norwich Union who are one of the chapest for me anyway, now offer a discount of 48% - equivilent to 1 years NCB - for Pass Plus holders. But of course, if you've been driving more than a year you cannot take it, and as I was driving my mothers car for a while I don't have any NCB. As a result, it costs me £1032 a year to insure my Xantia as opposed to £550 a year with NU and Pass Plus.

It's most certainly worth doing now.
Driver training - PoloGirl
Pass pluss is a joke (in my opinion!)

I asked about it when I passed my test, and was told "I'll take you on the motorway for an hour, and then out in the rain for an hour and then you'll get a nice certificate." That's all it was.

Driver training - daveyjp
Pologirl you were badly advised about Pass Plus - there are six modules this does not necessarily mean six more lessons as modules can be done together. They are:

Town driving
All weather
Country roads
Night driving
Dual carriageways
Motorways

My father usually covers pass plus in a couple of 2 hour lessons. This then also gives the new driver the opportunity of driving for more than an hour and experience the fatigue and aching limbs which can often go with long drives!
Driver training - pdc {P}
£1,000,000 per accident? Seems very steep to me. You could by an engine for a Tornado for that price!
Driver training - Welliesorter
Pass Plus seems a good idea but it can be abused. There's little to stop an unscrupulous instructor issuing the certificate, for a fee, without the lessons. My own instructor told me he knew of one or two who did this.
 

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