Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
I have just been offered a K reg Discovery TDi (2.5) 7 seater at 94000 miles for £3,500.

The car currently belongs to friends or ours. The lady in question has just gone from full time to part time employment and cannot afford to run it.

The condition. Not bad, though a bit of rust is starting to show around the tops of the front door/windscreen pillars. I haven't checked it over completely yet, but that is my first observation. The inside looks clean on first inspection.

Having taken a quick look at the Auto Trader website, I have seen K reg Diesels from about £2.5K (mileage not stated or over 130k).

I am trying to pursuade her that she needs my P reg 1.8 Xantia in P ex.

Any thoughts? Although prices in the south west are higher than other areas, how does this compare nationally?

I'll let you know how this progresses.

H
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - M.M
Hugo,

Loads of threads on these but here is an updated version of a post I made not long ago...

I do not run one but look after several from 1990-1997, both V8 and TDI models.

Once they are in the hands of a LR enthusiast/specialist that knows them, and assuming any major issues were dealt with early in their life, then I find them quite reliable as long as the fairly intensive maintenance schedule is adhered to.

I've chuntered on about it on another thread but the biggest single potential cause of unreliability is owners not getting them properly maintained in the first place.

A huge advantage with them over other 4WDs is that they have a somewhat ageless/classless image and a massive information/club/spares support. Everything is available for them at quite reasonable prices.

They are comfortable to to ride in at sensible speeds, but they do lean a bit on winding roads.

I understand they are not the vehicle of choice for the Taliban but have never understood what that has to do with private use in the UK.

There is loads to tell about buying them but some things are most important.

Never buy one older than say 1996 without taking a phillips screwdriver and insisting on removing the trim strip that holds down the rear of the loadspace carpet. Esae the carpet up and you will see the whole loadspace floor forms a sort of shallow tray. Any water ingress here can cause this floor to rot out along all its seams. A replacement panel is available and the welding is quite easy...only major hassle is removing all the carpet and trim that might catch fire...and making a good job of painting after.

Another point is to allow £500 for immediate service/repairs post purchase. Most 1990s vehicles will be sold needing work, a full service is quite expensive then add to that perhaps a battery, couple of tyres and some brake pads...it soon goes. You will often find they are behind on timing belt, coolant change and transmission oil replacement....because these do cost and folks skimp.

Once you have spent as much of the £500 (or more with a timing belt!) as is required then a mileage of around 12K/year and two services a year should keep it on the road at sensible costs....and you'll have fun.

Any specifics just ask.

Oh but a sobering thought. Take a Citroen Xantia TD of the same age/condition and what's it worth? £500? So the Disco costs £3000 more for worse ride, performance, handling, economy. Make sure you really fancy the space, view and 4WD ability!

They do hold their money though. ES 5dr models with alloys in a good metallic are favourite. Make sure you don't end up paying the usual "friend's car" premium!

M.M

Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Chas{P}
Hi Hugo

Having owned one of similar vintage a few years back these are my thoughts:

The car will need a thorough check over especially the transmission which is naturally a bit clunky but read up on what to spot from LR owners websites and of course HJ's CBCB.

The timing belt,that's behind a metal housing, should have been changed at 60k/5years but now will be due again (10years). Take cost of change into account when negotiating.

See if your local independent garage friend, if he knows about Land Rovers, can have a look and maybe get it up on his ramp.

If everything stacks up then 3K would be OK IMO

Hope this helps

Charles

PS Hope G and the girls are all well. Must come down to see you some time!

Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
Thanks chaps

One of the main reasons for buying is the extra leg room all round. There are other reasons though.

It seems that this one has been looked after quite well, though I know it is coming up for a service.

A friend of mine is a Merc trained diesel technician, and has done much of my recent car servicing.

I think I will probably go for it, subject to inspection, especially if they want one of my cars in P Ex.

I have seen other similar vehicles advertised privately locally for over £4k.

The local garage, who knows the car, says I should jump at the chance.

BTW the asking was £3,500, not £3,000.

Charles - Give us a call when you want to come down. Putting you up at the moment's a bit difficult as the house is in a tip, but there are some really good B and Bs around here.

Call me anyway - My number is still the same as it always was - we took it with us when we moved.

Cheers

H
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
Well people,

I haven't yet looked at the Disco in grat detail, but I do know that a dealer offered her considerably less than the £3.5K, so I may be in a position to negotiate a bit. I think she wants to get to a cheaper car soonish.

I have proposed that she takes my P reg Xantia petrol in P ex, to help me afford the disco. She muted that she did want something smaller, but at around £1200 for a P reg, she is interested.

Her husband came to look at the Xantia tonight and we went for a spin. He seemed to like the car and thought it was good value for money. Although their preference is a smaller, more economical model he is interested, as I suggested to him that he could possibly trade it in later using the balance I paid him to get a newer smaller model.

If they makes a sensible offer for the Xantia, I'm of a mind to agree to the £3.5K minus cost of Xantia, provided the Disco is OK. If they do not want the Xantia, I am still tempted, but have explaind to them that finding the whole £3.5k could be an issue. In addition I will have to sell the P reg Xantia on.

As I will have to sell the L reg Xantia anyway, I really would like to avoid having to sell the P reg. The're both good cars, but second hand cars of any type are not selling at the moment.

I expect to hear their response on the Xantia proposal by Sunday. If they want it I'll get the rough idle sorted (as promised) and do the deal next week. If not - well we'll see.

H
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - PhilW
Hugo,
But why do you want a Disco? You say it\'s for the extra legroom but it seems you are buying a completely different type of car (and older and more expensive to run?)to your present ones. Is the leg room in a Disco that much better? Just interested
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - M.M
Hugo,

Knowing something of the finances behind your Xantia I'd say the £1200 vs £3500 PX deal is reasonable from both sides. But if the Disco is known to be near a service (if it's a major it will be a stonker), and bearing in mind *they* are the folks that have got in a muddle I don't see why you should buy it outright for any more than a trade cash offer.

And please do get a phillips out and lift that rear loadspace trim to check under the carpet. If you didn't and it had a bad case of an "unzipped floor" you'd be quite depressed. It's no good looking from underneath, you can't see it easily for the chassis and fuel tank.

M.M
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
Thanks MM I have taken head of you warnings and will undo the rear trim and have a look.

I have printed off HJs car by car breakdown and will use this during my inspection, together with other points people raise.

There's no hurry as

1) They need the Disco until thay find a replacement, and

2) Even if I do manage to pursuade them to take the Xantia, I've still got the other one to get rid of. It would make sense for me to carry on driving that until it sells, then go onto the Disco.

Why the Disco. Believe me the legroom is better for us, and I do like the 4 wheel drives.

In addition, we all like the higher driving/riding position that these cars offer, we test drove a freelander some years ago and we all like it.

In addition, this is the Turbo Diesel with the two extra seats in the rear. Turbo Diesel is not that bad at pulling away, (I've driven them before) and the two extra seats will cone in handy for us, when we take out our or our daughters' friends. There have been a number of instances where we wished we had a people carrier insted of the Xantia.

If they don't want the Xantia then I intend to offer them £3K and go from there, subject to inspection, and that rear boot panel MM.

Then an advert will go in the paper for both Xantias.

H
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
At the risk of dominating my own thread, I have had a quick look through Land Rover Monthly and found a couple of Petrol Discos K and L for around £3500, but no similar age diesel for this price.

Am I to assume that like so many other cars Diesels discos fetch more than their petrol counterparts, despite the ability to carry out LPG conversions.

H
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
Well

I had a look at it tonight. They were offered £2750 trade in/purchase by the chap they got it from.

Although another 4WD dealer more local to me reckoned they would give £3,500 for an average one in that condition, and forecourt it for £5K

Remember - regional prices.

A close inspection under the rear boot liner revealed, as MM suggested, some holes in the boot floor, so a new panel there. Other than that the bodywork was reasonable, with a bit of patching needed on the bottom of the front doors. I also checked at the points where the chassis met the bodywork, as I am told that this is another area to watch out for. There was the beginnings of problems here. Engine bay looks good and it runs and drives like a dream. The low and high ratios work as do the diff locks etc.

All the electrics work and I have to say the ride is very smooth compared to what I was expecting.

All 4 tyres have plenty of tread, though the spare is a bit thin, but still perfectly legal.

They decided they did not want my Xantia, so I boldly offered £3K which after a little thought was accepted. I had already muted to them that the asking was going to be tough unless they bught the Xantia.



It has had a replacement clutch at about 20K, and it still seems fine, it has a full service history. MOT is until March of next year. The cam belt, tensioner etc was changed at about 70K and it has been serviced regularly every 6 months. Current Mileage - 94K.

I'm sure it's not the cheapest K reg TDiS you'll find, but it's got the FSH and reasonable mileage, and has been well looked after. Locally, it is the cheapest of that year by almost a grand!

IMO after browsing ads, £3K is an absolute bargain in this area, but probably coming on for average in the midlands or other areas.

The corrosion in the boot went unnoticed by everyone until tonight. I think I'll get the corrosion spots sorted when I get this done, arresting the problem in its early stages.

MM - Looking at the panel to be replaced, it appears it is totally hidden by the trim etc and the surrounding trim seems easy to remove anyway. You say the problems are encountered painting it up. Why would you then have to match the paint? If a future buyer checked under the carpet, I would be quite happy to explain this had been fixed. I would have thought a good primer with a close colour would suffice here.

There appears to be no accident damage as all the panels are the same shade of metallic.

Servicing, my local garage charges about £80 for a full service, plus parts outside the normal service schedule. The owner used to have an identical model himself, so he knows them inside out.

So hopefully, what I need to spend on the bodywork, I'll save at least some on the mechanical side.

Many Many thanks for all the advice, especially MM about that boot. I would never have looked under here if you had not mentioned this.

Once again, this site has been invaluable in saving a huge sum.

Now to get shot of not one - but two Xantias

An L Reg 2.0 16v VSX and a P reg 1.8 16v LX. Hopefully I should manage £1500 for the two. (MM is probably thinking £500!)

Hugo
Disco Kreg 94K for £3.5K - any thoughts? - Hugo {P}
Oh I forgot to mention

It has the remainder of a 12 month mechanical warranty on it.

I'll get this signed over to me for the fee, and go from there.

H