Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Rob the Bus {P}
This, I suspect, has been discussed a few times before. So if it has, apologies to the mods.

As has been documented elsewhere I had a trip back oop north this weekend to visit my daughters. The journey back was started at around 1720 on Sunday and completed at 2230. The vast portion of my journey was on the M6, M1 and M25. So far, so normal.

The odd thing was, there seemed to be some sort of invisible force field on almost the entire length of the M1 that prevented cars from moving into the inside lane from the middle lane. At one stage I must have travelled at least six miles in the outside lane at 60 mph purely because the motorway was in effect reduced to a dual carriageway. All this time, there was not one vehicle (not even a lorry) in the inside lane to prevent vehicles moving over. If they had moved over, then traffic would have been a lot more free-flowing and the outside lane would have been travelling at a more respectable speed (well, the cars in it would anyway).

I guess that the root cause was the fact that it was a Sunday evening members of CLOC were out in force, having just been to Auntie Doris\' for a slap-up Sunday lunch.

How, though, can we educate these eejits? I find it very exasperating, not to mention ignorant, that somebody else can hold up my journey for no reason other than sheer stupid-mindedness. Maybe the police should start stopping these people and explaining gently but firmly that their driving can be just as dangerous as someone who speeds.

Cheers

Rob
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Chris White
Maybe we could have billboards situated along the motorway with extracts from the highway code printed on them?
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - GrumpyOldGit
"Maybe we could have billboards situated along the motorway with extracts from the highway code printed on them?"

Good idea - it works in Australia. They have 'Return to left lane after overtaking' or similar wording on signs along the highway.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Dan J
Rob - save yourself time and stress:

Going North, M1 to Junction 23A and take the A50 towards Stoke, stay on this road (approx 46 miles total IIRC) and near the end follow the signs to the M6 - brings you out at M6 J15. Same in reverse. Cuts out all the nastiness of the M6 and jams of Birmingham, takes less time, same mileage and more importantly is a much less stressful drive on the A50 - almost a pleasure to drive on it!

Orp sounds good by the way :)
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Rob the Bus {P}
Dan,

Cheers for the tip mate. Sadly this is the way that I took in both directions. On the way up, the M1 was stop-go for about 8 miles due to an accident at J22 and the M6 was likewise for no apparent reason (so much so that I left at the A534 in disgust and drove cross-country to Southport) and on the way back the M6 was chocker over Thelwall, stop-go from J19 all the way to the junction before the A50 (and beyond) where I turned off and wound my way to through Newcastle and Stoke. And then, after storming along the A50, I joined the M1 only to be greeted by signs saying 'M1 closed at J20'. Whooppeee!

You're right though - the A50 is a great road and, if circumstances had been different, I can well imagine that the journey would have been much easier. Although the road surface is very nasty and noisy in places.

We'll be in touch off-board about Orp!

Cheers

Rob
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Dan J
Sounds like a wonderful journey you had there Rob! Horrible when the traffic is like that.
Although the road surface
is very nasty and noisy in places.


There is a fix for the problem - try turning the big knob on your stereo clockwise, resolves the problem in most cases!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - HF
>>There is a fix for the problem - try turning the big knob on your stereo clockwise, resolves the problem in most cases!

Dan - you've obviously missed the posts in other threads about Rob's cassette collection ;)
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - greenhey
Hi
I sympathise
I often have to go up to Bootle . To avoid Thelwall you might like to try leaving the M6 at the M56 , go west towards The Wirral ,off at Runcorn ,ovre the bridge, follow the Liverpool signs (indeed this whole route is signed Liverpool Airport to here) then take the turn for Southport, which will take you onto the M57 ,then you'll know the way
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Soupytwist
Well yes the police should do that, but they don't.

Try the M40 southbound south of Oxford at about 7.00pm on a Sunday, loads of 'em!
Matthew Kelly
No, not that one.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - daveyjp
'At one stage I must have travelled at least six miles in the outside lane at 60 mph purely because the motorway was in effect reduced to a dual carriageway. All this time, there was not one vehicle (not even a lorry) in the inside lane to prevent vehicles moving over.'

So in effect you were also part of the problem. During this six miles why didn't you move in to the inside lane? It's perfectly legal to 'undertake' if there is a queue of slower moving traffic in the middle and outside lanes.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - owen
i've stopped getting exasperated by it now, i just undertake as and when i see fit. The thing is, i get loads of abuse of people i'm undertaking, when their sat in the middle lane at 60mph for no reason whatsoever!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - RichardW
We've been here before - there is NO specific offence of 'undertaking'. The worst that could happen is that you could be done for careless driving or driving without due care, but I think in that sort of case the CPS would have a hard time proving it.

If everybody starts doing it, it will become accepted practice and some of the jams might start to ease a bit. Often frightens the middle lane brigade into moving over as well - just got to watch they don't suddenly veer across into you....


RichardW

Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Dan J
i've stopped getting exasperated by it now, i just undertake as
and when i see fit. The thing is, i get
loads of abuse of people i'm undertaking, when their sat in
the middle lane at 60mph for no reason whatsoever!


Same here - in fact I've often seen the situation Rob describes however I'll be in the inside lane, driving as per the highway code, undertaking miles and miles of traffic.

Occasionally get horned or people flashing their lights. Good mood I'll ignore them, bad one or I've got the window open I make a nice pointing over the roof of the car "git yer ruddy car in the right (or left as it were) lane" gesture. 95% of them still never move over. Same as my comment in the Stupidity thread - these are the people who always assume that everyone else is the one in the wrong...
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - BB
Very good point Rob,

I use the M1, M6 and M69 daily and I have found that no-one likes to drive correctly on the M1. I think that drivers stick in the outside lane because they feel that it will be the quickest way to get to their destination.

I once paced myself against a Porsche 911 (I was in my montego diesel). I got on the M1 at 21a and stayed in the left hand lane, overtaking occasionally , but never pulling into the outside lane. The Porsche was in the outside lane tailgating everyone. The result.........I won by many miles!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Cardew
"The result.........I won by many miles!"

How did you know?

"The Porsche was in the outside lane tailgating everyone"

How do you know that if you were miles ahead of him?
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - BB
I knew I was miles ahead because he didn't pass me when I was on the slip road getting off.

I saw him tailgating when I got onto the M1.

Happy now?
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Cardew
I am always happy to see such logic!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - BB
We can't all be as clever as you.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - kennybase
I had my first experience of the M1 this weekend!! What a fine display of driving from everyone!! Going up north it was pretty much stop go all the way from M25 to Derby but coming back the roads were ok - but the number of idiots sitting in middle lane was stupid! They all got a blast of my lights and a chop across the front to th inside but still they don't get the hint!! Next step is bungees attached to the nearside!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Steve G
I think every motorway/dual carriageway is the same.
I drive 70 miles a day (M27/A31) and this is very typical.
Incredibly frustrating and leads to drivers weaving in and out of lanes trying to make up ground.
I think speed limiters on lorries plays a large part in this.You say you averaged 60MPH, well its probably not a coincidence lorries are limited to 56MPH... Nobody moves back into the left lane because no one will let them back into the right lane again.
I did'nt know it is OK to undertake... perhaps I will try this more often from now on even if I recieve some unpleasant hand gestures.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - commerdriver
Would be nice to get an opinion from one of the legal guys or police on the site on the legalities of undertaking. My reading of the highway code suggests it's not allowed except in lines of busy traffic.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Dwight Van Driver
Commerdriver - your wish is my command:

The Highway Code states:

Don?t overtake on the left unless:

the vehicle in front is signalling right and it is safe to pass through, or

in SLOW moving traffic QUEUES where vehicles on the right are
travelling slower.

In slow moving queues move to the left only to turn left. Do not change lanes to the left to overtake.

The Highway Code (HC) sets out a guide for safe standards for various aspects of road use. Whilst failure to observe a provision of the HC in itself will not render a driver liable to prosecution (for the HC is not Law) non observance can be relied upon as tending to establish liability in cases of dangerous/careless driving ? criminal offences. Likewise in proving liability in civil proceedings.

The case Trentham v Rowlands 1974 relied on ? overtake only on the right ? never move to a lane on the left to overtake? holding that it was potentially dangerous and thus DANGEROUS DRIVING to overtake another at 70 mph by moving over to the inner lane to do so, particularly having regard to the obligation on drivers being overtaken to return to the nearside lane.

For a number of years HMG have been looking at the possibility of allowing undertaking but as yet have not looked on the practice favourably.

DVD






Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Brill {P}
?overtake only on the right ? never move to a lane on the left to overtake ... potentially dangerous... to overtake another at 70 mph by moving over to the inner lane to do so."


Out if interest...
So, what if you're travelling in the left hand lane already, ie. you don't have to move left to undertake them, you are in fact 'passing' them. (no?)

Stu.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Dwight Van Driver
Overtake (Def):

"to move past and take up a position in front of"

DVD
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Wales Forester
Thanks DVD, maybe some of the undertaking muppets will now resign themselves to sitting and waiting their turn until the numpty causing the blockage does decide to move over, instead of undertaking everything in sight and shoving back in with total disregard for everyone else.

We're all trying to get somewhere!

PP
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - No Do$h
I agree "undertaking muppets" should wait their turn if you refer to those who deliberately change lane to the left to scream past before hacking back in. But what about those who have patiently sat at 60-70 in the inside lane, mile after mile, whilst a camel-train of numpties charge up to 80 then back to 50 again in the outside lane?

Should everyone in the inside brake heavily each time the next lane does so to avoid an undertake? Not blinking likely.

I regularly travel the A31/M27 as mentioned above and can guarantee that from Junction 3 of the M27 to the A338 junction at Ringwood you can stay in the inside lane at 60 and be overtaken by the same car over a dozen times, yet reach Ringwood within a cars-length of the prat who hasn't moved from the outside lane for over 20 miles. I know this because in the past I have been that prat.....

Now I have seen the light, what frustrates is if you come across a slow moving vehicle, such as a crane or heavily laden truck. You signal and wait... and wait.... and wait.... only to watch the car-and-a-half gap between each lemming in the outside lane shrink to the length of a very small thing. Like the drivers' brains.

I agree there should be reminder signs, similar to those advising of minimum safe distances you find all across France. The French also make much more use of specific "no overtaking for lorries" signs on dual carriageways, particularly in hilly areas. Wouldn't cost a fortune but would make life a whole lot easier.... assuming anyone paid the slightest attention.

As above, I used to be one of the brainless ones. I also exceed the speed limit where the road is clear. I'm not perfect, few of us are. But the above just seems to make sense, dagnabbit!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Rob the Bus {P}
Some excellent points here chaps (and chapesses).

Daveyjp - I didn't undertake for precisely the same reasons that DVD gave. To my mind, two lanes of traffic moving at 50 - 60 mph does not constitute a queue. Besides, wouldn't it have been rather dangerous to attempt to force my way over to the inside lane, then drive at 70 mph in the inside lane watching for people moving over, then forcing my way back to the outside lane? So, no, I don't think that I was contributing to the problem ;-)

Basically if I could afford a helicopter I'd be there!

Cheers

Rob
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - 8 ball
I don't undertake, either, because I'm sure any of the centre lane hogger idiots is perfectly capable of pulling over suddenly to the left without checking mirrors. Didn't realise I was doing the right thing for the wrong (legal) reasons, though.
I do reckon however that I shouldn't have to slow down in my inside lane when the other two (overtaking) lanes become full and go slower than I am.

8 ball

Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - SR
I do pass vehicles on the left, fo rexample if on a 3-lane motorway I'm in the inside lane and approaching a vehicle going more slowly in the middle lane, I don't wee why I should have to perform 4 lane changes to get round them. I do, however, keep a very close eye on the middle-lane vehicle, ready to dive left if they move (I don't do it if there's no hard shoulder to escape onto).

I think this is very different from going from a position behind someone, overtaking on the inside, and cutting in again in front (usually into the safe distance they had left themselves), causing them and all following traffic to brake. I don't do that.

Been told by a traffic plod that they would not have a problem with the first situation, but would have with the second.

If the lane outside suddenly backs up, it would be nonsense to say the lane inside should slow down as well to avoid "undertaking" - they're not moving across to the inside to do so.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - Chicken Madras
Why don't you report the CLOC member(s) to one of the following websites:

tinyurl.com/nowo
or
tinyurl.com/nowq

The real url's aren't particularly long, but they'd most likely get the Pink Fluffy Dice treatment.

The sites themselves probably aren't going to achieve the Holy Grail of stopping numpties hogging the middle lane, but they're good fun. On a trip south down the A1 from Peterborough, we got at least 20 offenders before getting bored!
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - No Do$h
>>the offside lane is the car park.

It certainly is when truck drivers (no, not all of them) drive alongside each other for miles to check who has the longest trailer or whatever it is they do on every blessed dual carriageway in this forsaken kingdom. It certainly can't be described as overtaking in many instances.
Inside lane closed on M1 shocker - neil
If they put rumble strips every 50 metres in lane 3 and every 100 in lane 2, this problem would absolutely solve itself... but they won't. And speed kills, apparently!
 

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